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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
One of the things I like best about expansion is how it sometimes gives guys a new lease on life. Should be interesting who this applies to in this case.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

kalensc posted:

A GM facing a do-or-die season should go all-in with overpayments on good players with the intention of losing some to expansion regardless of the team's success. It's like a buyout but cheaper and unreliable!

Don't go giving Jim Benning ideas now

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

ThinkTank posted:

I'd say a McPhee/Gilman pairing is borderline fantastic.

You'd literally kill for that pairing to run Vancouver, wouldn't you?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
If they insist on a bird name, Vultures is right there

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Stretch Marx posted:

The Las Vegas Mob

The Las Vegas Double Downs

See, I like Vultures because it alludes to the sordid history of Vegas if you think about it (the whole "take you out to the desert and snuff you" urban legend) without being ultra obvious. If they can't do obvious names like Aces or Blackjacks, do a subtler version, y'know?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Lessail posted:

Wait I got it: Las Vegas Stardust Crusaders

Crusaders by itself would be fine, even with the unfortunate connotations. Also, I think we need to see a major league team use a snake name. Cobras or Vipers or some poo poo.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Maybe Gladiators? It's similar to Knights, without the likelihood of getting sued.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
I'm definitely okay with Neon Knights as a name, purely because I like the idea of a NHL team named after a Black Sabbath song. Although, I'd prefer War Pigs if we go that route.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Nail Rat posted:

Las Vegas Snowblind

I'd laugh my rear end off if Bettman approved that after making the no gambling references rule, considering that song's subject matter

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

AsInHowe posted:

Maybe Vegas could just use the old, repurposed Thrashers name?

Vegas Thrashers

Well they could, but the name Thrashers sucked the first time

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Kinda want the Sound Tigers logo to be a Tiger wearing headphones

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Matt Murray signed a 3 year deal with the Pens, so I'd expect the MAF to Vegas rumours to intensify

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
I could definitely see Fleury in Vegas being like Puppa in Tampa or Beezer in Florida where he becomes a stabilizing force that allows the people building the team to focus elsewhere, so if a blue chip defenceman or forward comes along, you go for them. I mean, you should probably focus on those positions anyways, but removing the temptation isn't a terrible idea.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Sash! posted:

During a recent game, they showed his stats that prove, career-wise, he's got some of the best stats around, but all I remember is that time he was practically above the faceoff circle near the boards and had to throw his stick towards the net to try to block a shot.

And a lot of Canadians remember him scoring on himself at the WJ's one year and costing Canada the game.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Who do you guys think the best position player available will be?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
So all jokes about their owner being dumber than a sack of circus peanuts aside, what's the expectation for this team in term of being able to become a playoff squad, timewise? They have advantages not afforded to other expansion squads, and I could certainly see players wanting to play in Vegas, in terms of free agents in general (unless Foley turns out to be James Dolan-like in his ability to alienate athletes).

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

incredible bear posted:

Vegas will have 30 players from the expansion draft alone, another 7 from the 2017 draft plus any UFAs they pick up, it really doesn't matter who they take from the likes of the Canucks and CBJ, I doubt very much they'll make the 23-man roster out of camp.

Plus they may try to fish somebody out of Europe. I haven't read any plans that suggest that, but if you're an expansion team it could be a good way to make your team slightly less sucky if the guy works out.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Maybe they'll just go with Bluebirds, it is the state bird...

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Thufir posted:

The Las Vegas Desert Tortoise would be pretty rad actually.

I'd love it if a team with the visibility that the NHL provides would use a team mascot that goofy. I mean, not sure much can top the Gamecocks or the Ham Fighters, but still.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

MOVIE MAJICK posted:

Hi thread, is this the year to come back from my decade long hiatus from following the Leafs?

They're still not a great team but they have some exciting young players (Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly), a new goalie who started out the season looking really bad but has been pretty good lately and seems to be back on track (Frederik Andersen), and a braintrust in place that seems to preaching a patient, measured, analytic-friendly approach. They've also drafted well and used the high picks that came from their crappiness well, and jettisoned a lot of the bad contracts that were bogging them down like Dion Phaneuf and Dave Clarkson. It's absolutely a good time, there's even a non-zero chance they'll get the last playoff spot (I wouldn't bank on it though).

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Dec 18, 2016

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
The whole cult around that attitude of a "French Canadian team for French Canadians" baffles me. It's gonna be a LONG time before the Habs win a cup again. That attitude was fine when the rule about having first dibs on French players existed, not so much anymore. Imagine if Yankee fans demanded only people from NYC or NY state. The 90s would have been very different if that was the case.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
I used CapFriendly's expansion draft pool. Here's what I got. I'm well aware there's no way in hell Brodin goes unprotected, bUt if he did they'd pick him and so would I. Curious to see if anybody would do things differently.

FORWARDS (17 - $13,400,833)
Kulemin, Nikolai-LW-RW
Desharnais, David-C
Vanek, Thomas-LW-RW
Hansen, Jannik-RW
Yakupov, Nail RW-LW
Raffl, Michael LW-C
Namestnikov, Vladislav C-LW
Hendricks, Matt LW
Sceviour, Colton C-RW
Dano, Marko C-LW-RW
Hartman, Ryan-RW
Nieto, Matt-LW-RW
Bennett, Beau-RW-LW
McKenzie, Curtis-LW
Arvidsson, Viktor-RW
Hamilton, Freddie-C
Sedlak, Lukas-C

Defencemen-9 - $7,266,667
Brodin, Jonas-D
Franson, Cody-D
Daley, Trevor-D
Schlemko, David-D
Connauton, Kevin-D
Wikstrand, Mikael-D
Megna, Jaycob-D
Carrick, Trevor-D
Corrado, Frank-D
GOALTENDERS (3 - $1,000,000)
Raanta, Antti G

Subban, Malcolm G

Grubauer, Philipp G

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

JawKnee posted:

I would be pretty shocked if the Canucks don't protect or trade Hansen

According to CapFriendly he has a NTC. But they might protect him. And I suppose he could waive it so he could play for a decent team.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
My picks were based completely on who CF's system left unprotected. You're right about Murray, though.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Top Hats Monthly posted:

The Wild will probably expose Scandella and Dumba, no way Jonas goes. His ceiling has proven to be endlessly high.

Isn't Dumba pretty solid as well? Like, not suggesting he's on Brodin's level, but he's top 4, no?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Are there any players likely to be available where it actually would be a good idea for them to draft them? Like, surely somebody has to be their Brian Bellows or whatever.


Also what's the latest on their name?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Teemu Pokemon posted:

team is getting reloatced before 2030 and sinbin guy is gonna cry like a little biznitch

I hope Hamilton gets the team if that happens, just for the drama

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Schlesische posted:

The talk about streetcars was interesting. For record, here's the variant of that where I live.

Trams/Streetcars are great at a similar job to busses. Larger-capacity light rail or just a standard metro rail setup is better at moving large numbers of people in a shorter time, but I am enjoying all the "gently caress IT LETS BUILD TRAMS" things that are going on right now.


If Quebec didn't get a team because "it's a market with no discernible value to the NHL", Hamilton isn't going to get it either.

Bettman is desperate for Kansas, Houston and Seattle.

I'm fine with Seattle but I wish he'd realize that teams in the southern U.S. draw poorly already. Tampa drew well this year but they couldn't get people to watch them to win the Cup without giving away a lot of tickets. The teams in the bottom 10 of attendance have 6 teams in the southern U.S., 2 Canadian teams (one of whom is playing very poorly), the Blue Jackets, and a couple teams in the NY/NJ area. I'm not saying this league needs to be EXCLUSIVELY CANADIAN or some nonsense, but maybe stop trying to appeal to areas that have a dozen sports franchises already. And in Kansas' case, they already lost a team and had the worst winning pct in modern NHL history (.241). Is anybody in KC REALLY clamoring for a KC team?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Gunjin posted:

I wish KC had the worst team of all time, but look at the 74-75 Capitals. Luckily I think the NHL has learned a little bit and won't let an expansion team ever be that bad again (8-67-5 .131 win%). Is KC even interested in having a NHL team now? I thought I read that their arena made more money on concerts than they would with a full time tenant.

I'd forgotten about the legendarily poo poo Caps team. Still, I feel like the best candidates for expansion are Hamilton, Seattle, Quebec City, Milwaukee (Wisconsin loving loves hockey, as much as Minnesota does I'd say), and this might seem odd, but Omaha. Population of close to 500,000, and their NCAA team is one of the best attended teams in the NCAA.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Maybe Thunder Bay could be their AHL team, lord knows our mayor has tried endlessly to get an AHL team here (we were sorta close to being the Jets farm club a couple years back).

It'd actually be pretty cool, but the plan was to build an 180 million dollar arena, even after both the federal and provincial gov't told us to gently caress off when we asked for help.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
He's no Rick Bowness, that's for sure.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
I've read that Vegas is a city of transients, not unlike LA. Is that true? Because if so, it could help. I remember reading that one of the reasons LA typically gets considered for franchises despite losing teams often (in the NFL, anyways) is they figure with people moving there often for work purposes there'll be enough of any type of fan that just about any type of team can work there. Of course, LA has a ton of population thanks to suburbs (something like 18 million CSA, Vegas has 2 million).

I want this team to work out, if just because expansion is always interesting.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Kilza posted:

https://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/859522751861751808

Aww, I was hoping that Vegas would take Chris Pronger.

How'd Grabovski get on there?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Sounds like it could work out. It's not like they're throwing huge wads of money at him.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
When did The Blackhawks stop using the Wolves?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Rotten Cookies posted:

A tiger that is free of defect or flaw, is valid, and solid. Alternatively, a tiger that lives on or near the Long Island Sound, the estuary between long island and connecticut. Alternatively, a tiger made of vicious sound waves.

Isn't their logo a Tiger with headphones?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/video/five-questions-golden-knights-nhl-235111845.html

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Kinda hoping somebody does something monumentally stupid and accidentally leaves a key guy off of the protect list. Also if Calgary leaves for a U.S. city I'm finding a new team.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Troy Queef posted:

is Bettman's hatred of Quebec strictly because they're tiny? they have a huge money guy in PKP, Winnipeg has shown that it can work in mid-sized Canadian markets, plus isn't there a poster here who has stories of how his family would get into proper fights because of the Habs-Nords rivalry?

I also suspect he'd rather not have another Canadian team. Most likely expansion attempts involve U.S. cities, unless one counts Hamilton, which I don't because too many things would have to happen for that actually be a thing.

I mean really, there aren't many more Canadian cities (maybe like 3-4) that could support an NHL team right now anyways. Halifax could do it based on the fact the Mooseheads are the only sports team they really have outside of Canadian university teams, but the time zone and travel factors could really hurt them when it comes to consideration.

I'd be genuinely shocked if Saskatoon got a team. I know the Blues nearly ended up there, but if any Saskatchewan city gets a team I'd think it'll be Regina, even though it has less people, just because I think they get more money from the province due to the whole "provincial capital" thing. Plus you have Moose Jaw being close by, and that's another 34,000 people which nearly makes up the difference in population.

I'd actually love it if there was a big Canadian expansion where one year it was Halifax and Regina/'Toon, and the next year, Quebec and Victoria. Or even Quebec and Seattle, that way you have an even 10 Canadian teams, plus a team that BC and Alberta residents can get to fairly easily.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Stretch Marx posted:

I could see Halifax eventually getting a team. It's about 4 to 6 hours from anywhere else in the Maritimes and the next closest teams are Montreal and Boston. It only has around 300 000 people but people will drive there for the casino so I bet they'll do the same for an NHL game.

Funnily enough, Halifax would be more likely to get a team if Quebec did first I think. Because then you can have a division of Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Boston, Quebec, and Halifax. Travel would be fairly simple in that division!

Sadly though, I think something would have to drastically change for Canada to get more teams. At the very least, that will be true as long as Gary Bettman's running the show.

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