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Why is it idiotic to pick a townie role that nobody will question or counterclaim you on? I mean KB has already pointed out that he did that exact thing in a previous game and won with it. dongs why did you have to die, I feel like we need you're Adahn translator right now.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:16
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Quidnose posted:...are you going somewhere? Why does that post read like you've given up on participating No, not going anywhere, just talking to a possible 3P boss. I'm definitely still participating. KB and TQ are coming across as a bit scummy but there's really no heat on them. The main thing against them, really, is this nonsensical AA push. I'll be the first to admit that it's possible, but it would require such a culmination of stupidity for AA to be scum and have gotten the only {Cop} role in the lottery that it's mind-boggling. To me it reads as more of an effort to re-direct heat, just as both of them tried to re-direct suspicion D1 away from Infinitum, ultimately leading to a Glowku lynch despite their hedgy protestations that "Infinitum is super scummy".
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Jun 28, 2016 15:17
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Truth Quark posted:Why is it idiotic to pick a townie role that nobody will question or counterclaim you on? Because it means that none of the TOWNIES in the lottery picked Cop as a Shine role.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:18
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But we don't know how Podima handed out the roles, he could have distributed three cops or something.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:21
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Also, I repeat: Who picked AA as their support choice yesterday?
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Jun 28, 2016 15:22
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Excellent catch. Still it seems strange for them to both be in the know about being loved unless it's a coordinated gambit and that seems like a stretch. He said he wasn't loved. Also, glowku picked you but you weren't loved. Dunno why you think someone picked AA on N0?
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Jun 28, 2016 15:26
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I have a reason and I want to know~
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Jun 28, 2016 15:27
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Quidnose posted:I have a reason and I want to know~ It outs someone with an un-revealed, probably useful Shine power. That's a bad thing. There are TONS of vanillas (1-shot Universal Shine Backups) like myself. Also, I'm starting to think that this game might be all Shine Backups, Vanillas with Shine powers, and maybe a couple Power roles that are Brewers. We may not have a straight-up Cop or Doctor.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:34
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Adahn1986 posted:No, not going anywhere, just talking to a possible 3P boss.  LIE DETECTED Adahn1986 posted:It outs someone with an un-revealed, probably useful Shine power. That's a bad thing. What, exactly, makes you think there are numerous backups? Because we've had NO backups flip and to my knowledge one other backup claim. You make constant weird leaps of logic, if Inf hadn't pushed you so hard, there is no way I would be voting AA today, because I would be voting for you. Here are some more words re: lynching bosses D1 even though I know I am talking to a brick wall. Not lynching Inf proved me right because what happened was super beneficial to town. dongsbot was dead at night no matter what, there was no way scum could let him live. Infinitum, since he wasn't town aligned, was going to be put on the merc's list no matter what. Would you rather have had town players on that list at night or the scum boss? Because however good dongs claims to be, I doubt he could've have perfectly picked the scum team after D1. If we lynched Inf or dongs D1, we risked lynching the town boss and therefore empowering the scum boss, not to mention eliminating the one boss with an incentive to always put scum on the merc list.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:43
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Also, AGAIN, we have no way of knowing how Podima handed out the roles. He is very good at loving with people doing exactly what you are doing: namely using setup spec to try and break the game. It isn't going to work and we learned that lesson the hard way last Shine game.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:46
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Adahn1986 posted:Because it means that none of the TOWNIES in the lottery picked Cop as a Shine role. Phone posting before my meeting because I haven't learned my lesson. But I'll use more words.  We've already discussed that a cop cc'ing right now is unlikely. There is no good reason to do it and you shouldn't be expecting it.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:50
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Dear other thread denizens: if I continue to argue with known Brick Wall Adahn1986 please do me a favor and slap me.
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curiousCat posted:what the hell are you two on to provoke such a stupid slapfight Btw this is all you have to offer the conversation?
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Jun 28, 2016 15:57
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Quidnose posted:Also, I repeat: Who picked AA as their support choice yesterday? No one as far as I know, I wasn't loved and didn't get any other event related messages. I claimed that earloer in the game.
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Jun 28, 2016 15:59
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Truth Quark posted:Dear other thread denizens: if I continue to argue with known Brick Wall Adahn1986 please do me a favor and slap me. There are multiple 1-shot Universal Shine Backups. I'm not responsible for your inability to read the thread, and I'm also not going to out them.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:01
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You know who just up and vanished after being declared town by a couple veterans? TMM.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:02
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Truth Quark posted:Also, AGAIN, we have no way of knowing how Podima handed out the roles. He is very good at loving with people doing exactly what you are doing: namely using setup spec to try and break the game. It isn't going to work and we learned that lesson the hard way last Shine game. This is a meta-meta read about how a mod runs his game and is in essence the same as trying to game the setup. Quit making this asinine defense as a means to avoid making logical connections based on what is probable.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:02
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Flying Leatherman posted:I started looking at Li Dawny after reading MMT's post, and something jumped out at me while I was reading. I had assumed people were going to weigh in, which didn't really happen, so I got concerned. Why is that so hard to imagine? I wanted a conversation started, not votes put up. After watching Quid and KB fight I'm pretty sure they're both town. Scum usually, from my experience, don't slap fight that hard. Quidnose posted:But we don't know how Podima handed out the roles, he could have distributed three cops or something. In response to this, everyone who's claimed to have been a part of the lottery seems to have gotten the role that they chose, unless I'm missing something. So maybe we shouldn't assume that all of the roles on the list exist or that there's only one of them. Not saying you are, but just thinking about it.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:04
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The funny thing about 'town slapfights' is that in Ferngully I was accused of slapfighting with Max, who was the scumbo that ended up winning the game. I'm pretty sure I got accused of 'town slapfighting' with Infinitum just yesterday. I really, really fail to see how pointing out that people are arguing with each other is any kind of a viable defense, for anyone, in any situation. It's a dismissive argument that adds nothing to a conversation. It's merely an attempt to direct people away from whatever argument someone might be trying to make.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:16
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Adahn1986 posted:The funny thing about 'town slapfights' is that in Ferngully I was accused of slapfighting with Max, who was the scumbo that ended up winning the game. you should also remember that in ferngully max eventually stepped aside and let you and quid beat on each other for almost 24 hours straight, winning him the game
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Jun 28, 2016 16:20
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Flying Leatherman posted:I started looking at Li Dawny after reading MMT's post, and something jumped out at me while I was reading. This really stood out for me too. LI DAWNY dancing from GUYS WE GOT TIME RELAX to OH poo poo WE GOTTA LYNCH BEFORE DEADLINE WHAT'RE WE GONNA DO?! Also, there was something I say in a KB post that really stood out. That being a weird attempt at role fishing. But eh, I know I've done some blatantly obvious rolefishing and people were right at my throat yet only one person put a call out on him so maybe I was over analyzing what he said.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:23
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King Burgundy posted:Btw this is all you have to offer the conversation? I was going to say something about Cat earlier, but at this point I'd advocate just getting the free lurker lynch tomorrow if things keep up. But yeah, certainly worth noting that the few posts that they've made are completely content-free.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:26
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I don't 100% agree with KB's case on AA or his defense of TQ, but giving KB a read he seems to be playing a genuinely town game. Quid, you've tunneled on town before pretty hard, and I think that's what you're doing with KB now. It's just my opinion, but I'm making a town call on KB. If he's scum, he's VERY good at pretending to play a town game.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:28
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JimsonTheBetrayer posted:This really stood out for me too. LI DAWNY dancing from GUYS WE GOT TIME RELAX to OH poo poo WE GOTTA LYNCH BEFORE DEADLINE WHAT'RE WE GONNA DO?! Again, I was eating conversation in the time leading up to the deadline, there was none. I didn't say "holy poo poo vote now!!" I said, "we need to talk about who we will/won't vote" I don't see how saying "we don't need to turbo" and following it with "we do need to discuss who we want to vote" is contradictory.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:31
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I can be nothing else but Vanilla. Are you implying I could be a PR and still participate in the shine role lottery because that doesn't make sense to me. AnonymousNarcotics posted:You all seriously need to realize that shine roles are not just for VT. I am basing this on
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Jun 28, 2016 16:31
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Li Dawny posted:I had assumed people were going to weigh in, which didn't really happen, so I got concerned. Why is that so hard to imagine? It seems odd to me that in the space of two hours you suddenly discovered a pressing need to get lynch discussion started after being so disconcerted by having votes on the board. Even the initial concern seems weird, because it's not like we were in the middle of a turbo or something. Li Dawny posted:I wanted a conversation started, not votes put up If you're trying to discuss who to lynch, at least in my experience, votes tend to happen as part of that process, so what you're saying here doesn't make sense to me either.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:32
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Mafia edit: this is the important part of that post [*]Rolecop - can investigate someone else at night, learning both their Role and Shine Role.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:33
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Fair point, but I did claim vanilla more than once and this feels like an artificial attempt to pick at something that fits this shallow argument you're trying to make.
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Flying Leatherman posted:It seems odd to me that in the space of two hours you suddenly discovered a pressing need to get lynch discussion started after being so disconcerted by having votes on the board. Even the initial concern seems weird, because it's not like we were in the middle of a turbo or something. Just because you're talking about who is/isn't scum doesn't mean you're going to vote them immediately. And sometimes it takes six hours to get even close to a consensus, which is why I wanted to have the conversation starting. The votes that were applied before the conversation were weakly supported (at best) and we were getting kinda close to a turbo(not immediately a threat when I posted it, but would have been an easy push had scum tried). You can lynch me for trying to prevent a turbo so that we had time to scum hunt, but that's a pretty dumb reason.
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Jun 28, 2016 16:40
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Li Dawny posted:The votes that were applied before the conversation were weakly supported (at best) and we were getting kinda close to a turbo(not immediately a threat when I posted it, but would have been an easy push had scum tried). You can lynch me for trying to prevent a turbo so that we had time to scum hunt, but that's a pretty dumb reason. If I'm reading the thread right, at the time, Adahn had 3 votes on him, which was L-10
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Jun 28, 2016 16:50
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Li Dawny posted:Again, I was eating conversation in the time leading up to the deadline, there was none. I didn't say "holy poo poo vote now!!" I said, "we need to talk about who we will/won't vote" I don't see how saying "we don't need to turbo" and following it with "we do need to discuss who we want to vote" is contradictory. The problem is you didn't say oh hey lets discuss who we are lynching you said Li Dawny posted:Okay, we need to all figure out who we are/are not willing to vote today because I'm having genuine concern over if we're going to get a lynch in today. Bolding is mine. You were explicitely avoiding the obvious intent which was to say WHO WE GONNA LYNCH in a really obvious MoJoJo-esque way. Like this is way to many words to say hey who we voting? Almost seems like your trying to avoid coming right out and saying it so you can later fall back on an argument of BUT GUYS I WAS ONLY TRYING TO GOOD MAFIA.
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Flying Leatherman posted:If I'm reading the thread right, at the time, Adahn had 3 votes on him, which was L-10 Right, and if we we do even the lightest of set up spec (which I don't usually do but fine) there are around six scum total (on average scum makes up about 1/4 of the player population) which could have put him as far as -4. And if a few scum made decent case posts grabbing an extra four townies as we approach the deadline isn't unreasonable. That's why I believe in conversation before voting, which is what I was trying to get across.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Fair point, but I did claim vanilla more than once and this feels like an artificial attempt to pick at something that fits this shallow argument you're trying to make. My point wasn't just to you, but to everyone who keeps saying that if someone has a shine role they have to be vanilla and that there can only be one of each role. Setup spec is bad which is why I'm saying people shouldn't assume they know anything about what podima is doing. There is 100% no way there's only one of each shine role bc someone already claimed my role (and no I'm not saying what it is. But it's not cop so don't nk me tia)
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JimsonTheBetrayer posted:The problem is you didn't say oh hey lets discuss who we are lynching you said So, basically eloquence=scum? I mean, you could probably argue that all of my posts, minus a few obvious if poorly executed jokes, have far too many words in them. I'm wordy, I'm sorry, but it's how I type. This is probably one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever seen and you once asked me to provide a screen shot to prove that my phone was dying.
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Jun 28, 2016 17:01
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I'll put my vote down now since I still stand by my case. ##vote aa
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Jun 28, 2016 17:02
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Li Dawny posted:So, basically eloquence=scum? I mean, you could probably argue that all of my posts, minus a few obvious if poorly executed jokes, have far too many words in them. I'm wordy, I'm sorry, but it's how I type. This is probably one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever seen and you once asked me to provide a screen shot to prove that my phone was dying. this is scum dawny ##vote dawny
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:I'll put my vote down now since I still stand by my case. ##vote aa So we had a reckless vig, an innocent child, an alignment cop and bosses. I wonder which you are. Also can't wait til you backpedal tmrw for being wrong about me, but of course, since you're probably scum you already know this.
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Li Dawny posted:Right, and if we we do even the lightest of set up spec (which I don't usually do but fine) there are around six scum total (on average scum makes up about 1/4 of the player population) which could have put him as far as -4. And if a few scum made decent case posts grabbing an extra four townies as we approach the deadline isn't unreasonable. That's why I believe in conversation before voting, which is what I was trying to get across. I love this idea of the world's most coordinated and dumbest scum team where ALL OF THEM quickly jump on a -10 vote to bring it to a -4. 
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