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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Whoa! That's obviously too far. People on the no-fly list should only be forced to register their location to the authorities as if they were convicted sex offenders. I don't know about that but gun owners should
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After all don't they want to protect themselves and their property anyway?
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Jun 23, 2016 21:31
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Seems like the best way would be to tell criminals that they own guns
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Jun 23, 2016 21:32
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Haha as if they could ever loving shut up about it for a second anyway
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Jun 23, 2016 21:33
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the rare quad post
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Jun 23, 2016 21:35
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Karl Barks posted:the rare quad post 
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Jun 23, 2016 21:42
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paranoid randroid posted:the common element with all these mass shooters seems to be long-term exposure to america so maybe we should have the cdc look into why being around america makes people crazy as hell pretty sure mass shootings are just a symptom of late stage capitalism and we're closer to the worker's revolution here than the liberal democracies of Europe with their deaccelerationist policies
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Jun 23, 2016 21:55
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Jun 23, 2016 22:00
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Xandu posted:Depends who they associate with Would you be OK with disarming all black Americans? It would get a lot of guns off the street! America has a long history of disarming racial minorities after all. And there's probably still enough whites to get a law like that passed lickety-split!
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Jun 23, 2016 22:10
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Yes, so that the Supreme Court packed by Hillary finds that the law is unconstitutional because it unfairly targets a protected class, but in the opinion decides that a civilian-wide gun ban would not be unconstitutional
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Fast Luck posted:a lot of the same people will also dismiss concerns about watch list racism here then turn around and say free higher education is bad because it's too racist this is my favorite subforum DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Would you be OK with disarming all black Americans? It would get a lot of guns off the street! America has a long history of disarming racial minorities after all. And there's probably still enough whites to get a law like that passed lickety-split! this is the entire basis of modern gun control measures, though? why would that be a problem?
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Jun 23, 2016 22:12
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The people must learn, one and all, how to use arms, they must belong, one and all, to the militia which is to replace the police and the standing army. - dat boi lenin
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Jun 23, 2016 22:27
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Jun 24, 2016 01:12
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"It's for the political theatre, it's to embarrass the rep." Don't naively assume you have control of how this is going to be interpreted, especially everywhere. If it on the surface looks bad, but looks worse if you dig deeper, your opponents are just going to dig deeper, then accuse you of being deceptive, which you are. The truth will out, one way or another. It's like a total inversion of the democrat image of the republicans, where the party lies to them on wedge social issues, gets them angry, to screw then over somewhere else - except it's not abortion, it's guns. Xandu posted:Depends who they associate with Like either you accept the background check concessions, or you make an effort to repeal the 2nd amendment, because you don't think it should be a right. So long as it is a right, you can't undermine it without hurting the other ones.
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Jun 24, 2016 02:52
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rudatron posted:
Or you redefine what it means, and provided Clinton wins, there's a pretty good chance that'll happen. I don't see how this sets any different of a precedent than the no fly list already does. Surely freedom of movement/repatriation is also protected.
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But exactly how far can you go with 'redefining' before you're in violation, and are you comfortable with that same level of 'redefinition' being used on other rights? Precedent matters.
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rudatron posted:But exactly how far can you go with 'redefining' before you're in violation, and are you comfortable with that same level of 'redefinition' being used on other rights? Precedent matters.  I'm no huge fan of guns or the second amendment, but legitimizing the no-fly list further by expanding its powers seems terrible to me, especially since you're stripping someone of their constitutional rights based on pretty much nothing.What's next? Suspending habeas corpus if you're on the no-fly list cause if you're too dangerous to fly you're too dangerous to try? Condiv has issued a correction as of 07:25 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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jarofpiss posted:gun control is inherently racist and classist and i think it is a bad thing to restrict the tools of self defense to only the bourgeoisie give guns to everyone, problem solved.
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Jun 24, 2016 12:42
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This is the most "I don't follow politics but this is all bullshit!" election year ever
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Jun 24, 2016 13:43
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A Winner is Jew posted:It's not about the bill, it's about making republicans go on record to choose between the NRA and national security. Democrat cheerleaders are always talking about how they're doing these grand chess moves that force the republicans into ultimatums (because they cant possibly just be a center-right american party!) and every time nobody even remembers it two weeks later, except that democrats pushed an abhorrent thing. More democrats felt burned by the GOP judge recommendation than average voters felt disappointed in the GOP's refusal days later, for example
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Jun 24, 2016 14:09
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Condiv posted:
People always seem to forget that the other side also gets into power and they will do the same thing to your causes what you did to theirs
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Jun 24, 2016 16:13
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This is shameless political theater of zero consequence. You're a cheap seats doofus if you thinkA Winner is Jew posted:it's not about the policy, it's about getting republicans to go on record choosing between the NRA and national security.
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Jun 24, 2016 16:34
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You're right. This was shameless political theater of zero consequence.
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Jun 24, 2016 16:37
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zen death robot posted:It's over isn't it? yeah yesterday. it was successful at bumping the Secretly Gay Muslim Terrorist angle towards 'GUNS' but w/ Brexit who the gently caress cares about playing small ball now.
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Jun 24, 2016 17:15
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Xandu posted:Or you redefine what it means, and provided Clinton wins, there's a pretty good chance that'll happen. The No Fly list is unchallenged, but I'd say is unconstitutional as well.
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Jun 24, 2016 18:30
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dishonesty in politics is totally cool as long as it's my team doing it!
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Jun 24, 2016 19:09
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Terror Sweat posted:People always seem to forget that the other side also gets into power and they will do the same thing to your causes what you did to theirs Which is why, for the record, I am entirely for using the republican established and supported terrorist watch lists to take away guns for republicans If they don't want to see their rights get violated without due process then they can get rid of the loving list. If we're paying to maintain it I'd like to actually see it used for something other than harassing people with middle eastern sounding names
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Jun 24, 2016 19:11
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gun control in this country isn't going to do diddly-squat until there's a mandatory buyback.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:gun control in this country isn't going to do diddly-squat until there's a mandatory buyback. Just some widespread voluntary buybacks would help a lot but the way Republicans act you'd think the government offering somebody 200 bucks for a handgun was akin to knocking down their door and taking their guns while executing their dogs and raping their wives here's one where some fine gun loving patriots threatened to murder people for buying back a whopping 22 firearms out of the 350 million circulating on our streets (actually lol the article is from 1997 so the number was probably closer to a third of that) Mirthless has issued a correction as of 19:17 on Jun 24, 2016 |
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Mirthless posted:Which is why, for the record, I am entirely for using the republican established and supported terrorist watch lists to take away guns for republicans but now anyone who wants to get rid of the list altogether is going to be accused of making it easier for terrorists and other undesirables to buy guns due process is already eroding fast enough, we don't need to charge at it with a god drat backhoe
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:but now anyone who wants to get rid of the list altogether is going to be accused of making it easier for terrorists and other undesirables to buy guns Yep. Wouldn't want to look "soft on terror."
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G.C. Furr III posted:The people must learn, one and all, how to use arms, they must belong, one and all, to the militia which is to replace the police and the standing army. - George W. Bush I miss him already.
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democrats making america safe one brown person at a time through institutionalized racism
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Mirthless posted:Which is why, for the record, I am entirely for using the republican established and supported terrorist watch lists to take away guns for republicans Yeah, it's basically this. The No-Fly list is loving horrible but we have it in place because it's a feel-good national security measure that republicans (and some really, really bad democrats) support. Using it to force republicans to choose between national security or guns is legit good and posts like this: Reason posted:democrats making america safe one brown person at a time through institutionalized racism is loving idiotic because the list is already institutionalized racism, only it's institutionalized racism that no one gives a poo poo about right now because it's wrapped up in national security bullshit. Basically, Powercrazy posted:The No Fly list is unchallenged, but I'd say is unconstitutional as well. It's unchallenged because no one gives a poo poo about it. This not only makes republicans choose between the NRA and national security, but also makes people give a poo poo about the no-fly list so people might actually start giving a poo poo it's unconstitutional.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Yeah, it's basically this. i like this new approach to fighting back against racism. abraham lincoln should've made irish people slaves in order to make eventual black and irish emancipation much more palatable to everyone!
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Condiv posted:i like this new approach to fighting back against racism. abraham lincoln should've made irish people slaves in order to make eventual black and irish emancipation much more palatable to everyone! This is a perfectly reasonable analogy since there wasn't an abolitionist movement to speak of prior to Lincoln being president.
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A Winner is Jew posted:This is a perfectly reasonable analogy since there wasn't an abolitionist movement to speak of prior to Lincoln being president. a perfectly reasonable analogy for a perfectly reasonable strategy. i'm just trying my best to capture the brilliance of expanding the powers of the no-fly list in order to get the public to care about it and push to repeal it. it's not like the american public is nakedly racist towards muslims or anything.
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Condiv posted:a perfectly reasonable analogy for a perfectly reasonable strategy. i'm just trying my best to capture the brilliance of expanding the powers of the no-fly list in order to get the public to care about it and push to repeal it. it's not like the american public is nakedly racist towards muslims or anything. Just like there is not a large and incredibly powerful lobby for muslims in the US, there is also not a large and incredibly powerful lobby for gun owners in the US.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Just like there is not a large and incredibly powerful lobby for muslims in the US, there is also not a large and incredibly powerful lobby for gun owners in the US. why is the ACLU so shortsighted? apparently they oppose this measure that will create a powerful lobby for muslims in the near future! can they not comprehend the brilliant 11th dimensional chess the democrats are playing in order to protect our rights?
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