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Mu Zeta posted:In ID4 everything to do with the stripper wife and the dog and the president's wife was a waste of time. Also way too much time with the dysfunctional alcoholic dad and his lovely grumpy kids. You should see the deleted scenes. There were even more stripper and oddly native american looking kids scenes.
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Jul 7, 2016 23:01
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The entire sub sub sub plot of Quaid's kid needing medicine was probably the deepest most unnecessary plot but semi realistic with its randomness too.
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Jul 7, 2016 23:05
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Speaking of Randy Quaid's character, I kinda like the idea that he was never actually abducted by aliens and he was really just a crazy person. I mean look at the modus operandi of the aliens: they're not trying to harvest humans, or breed with them, or covertly take over the planet via mind control, or figure out how we tick - they're incinerating our cities with massive plasma death rays. I, uh, I don't think you need to do much poking and prodding to know that's going to be effective. Alternately, given the knowledge revealed in the sequel that there's a whole alliance of alien races, the comedy option is that he *was* abducted, but by an entirely different race of aliens and he's been holding a grudge against the wrong species for decades. 
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Jul 7, 2016 23:26
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Xenomrph posted:Speaking of Randy Quaid's character, I kinda like the idea that he was never actually abducted by aliens and he was really just a crazy person. Eh I can buy that they would abduct people to study them. Maybe they had a bunch of biological weapons that are useless vs us. The first thing we do when we got the area 51 aliens was rip off their suits to study and figure out how to kill them. I dont really get why they'd return him intact though so maybe he was just crazy.
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That's the other thing, even if they do abduct humans to figure out how to kill them, what good does it do to let them go afterward? Isn't that counterproductive? I also like that when Randy Quaid speaks up late in the movie and outright tells the crowd of pilots that he was abducted and wants payback, everyone looks at him like he's a crazy person despite having irrefutable proof that aliens actually do exist.
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Xenomrph posted:That's the other thing, even if they do abduct humans to figure out how to kill them, what good does it do to let them go afterward? Isn't that counterproductive? Maybe they looked at him like a crazy person because they had the same thought you did, that alien abductions in which the person is returned to rant about it still don't make any sense even if we know aliens exist and have visited Earth. Just like how the FBI really does follow and bug some people, but you can still be delusionally paranoid.
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Jul 8, 2016 00:38
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I think Randy Quaid was legit abducted by aliens.
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The Randy Quaid character and his family is some really nice implied / show-don't-tell storytelling - regardless whether it actually happened or not, his tale of alien abduction is how he copes with the guilt he feels over the death of his wife, which is the real reason he is a crazy drunkard. His kids being a different ethnicity than he is evokes her absence in every scene they share, even though (in the theatrical cut at least) she is not once even mentioned. It's the same little trick Toy Story pulls, where it's apparent that Woody is Andy's favorite toy because he is a hand-me-down from Andy's late father, even though none of this (even the father's very existence) is ever made explicit in the films.
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CelticPredator posted:I think Randy Quaid was legit abducted by aliens. It's called "method acting".
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They did have the fighter that crashed in the 50s, which does lend some credence to his story. I'd imagine the aliens were more interested in finding out what the best way to systematically attack us would be - General Grey comments that the first wave of city killers were perfectly arrayed to cripple any global counterattack, that they knew just where and how to strike to cause the most damage with their sucker punch. I thought that was part of the same idea, that an alien vanguard arrived decades before the mothership to study a world on the schedule and have a detailed plan of attack ready when the mothership showed up.
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Now that I rewatched the original I have realized a big thing: The first movie was "a disaster effects your family" movie that just happened to have aliens. This movie basically had none of that beyond the base level of the fact every movie staring humans will always have some element of family interactions. like rewatching the old one it's really striking how much the movie is a bunch of plot arcs about the effect of disaster on families (mostly that it brings them together, but sometimes it kills one person in your family which brings everyone else together) and the action scenes are just pizzazz between the family stuff. It's a totally different genre from the straight action movie this movie was.
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From what I vaguely remember there was a prequel comic put out for the first movie that stated the abduction actually happened.
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muscles like this? posted:From what I vaguely remember there was a prequel comic put out for the first movie that stated the abduction actually happened. As a tie in media whore, I'll do some digging over the weekend and see what I can find. I know there was a comic book adaptation of the first movie but I never read it when it first came out.
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lizardman posted:Did any of the characters in high positions even interact with Quaid's character until moments before the very end? Yeah, but he exposed the alien weakspot and sacrificed his life to save a whole bunch of people. His actions directly led to the destruction of the alien fleet very very rapidly.
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Xenomrph posted:I like reading movie novelizations since they tend to be based on the shooting script, so it's interesting to see what gets changed or omitted over the course of the film's production. Is it that, or is it that Alan Dean Foster owns?
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Is it that, or is it that Alan Dean Foster owns? A little of both. I've read plenty of movie novelizations that he didn't write, though. I actually saw Resurgence a second time tonight with my father (he had free tickets) and I actually enjoyed it a lot more the second time around. There's still a shitton of editing issues and I really feel the movie could have benefited from another half hour of footage to keep things paced a bit better and lessen the feeling of being inside a pinball machine, but stuff seemed to flow a lot better the second time around and I picked up on some interesting details that I didn't catch on the first viewing. During the opening credits when the camera is flying through the star field, it slowly passes by a planet with its inner core sucked out, foreshadowing Earth's potential fate. When Dikembe is translating alien gibberish, one of the prominent symbols is very similar to the key glyph from Stargate. Someone else mentioned that a recurring motif in the first movie was family; the recurring motif in Resurgence is orphans. Jake starts out as an orphan, and by the end of the movie, so are Patricia and Dylan. Judd Hirsch picks up a bus full of orphans by the end of the movie. And the white sphere macgiffin talks about a planet of Alien refugees - entire species orphaned by the loss of their home worlds. There's a couple missed opportunities for crazy visuals - when the harvester ship takes out the moon base, I was seriously expecting it to core the moon like an apple. Likewise, maybe seeing the scope of the destruction from orbit after the harvester ship leaves at the end. I also wish they hadn't redesigned the alien fighters - the design in the first movie was super cool, and I didn't like the new design nearly as much. I really hope we get an extended edition on bluray, I think it could help the movie a lot.
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So the really big spaceship that touches down and grabs Earth has just the right curvature to take hold of the planet. Do they have different sized planet-grabbing ships for all the different sized planets in the universe? Or are these planet grabbers adjustable? Or did they only build one and they're really lucky they found our planet, which was just the right size? Or
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The main part of the ship is roughly a disc, it's got huge articulated legs for landing. You see them fold out when it hits the atmosphere, and start to fold back up when it leaves.
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Xenomrph posted:The main part of the ship is roughly a disc, it's got huge articulated legs for landing. You see them fold out when it hits the atmosphere, and start to fold back up when it leaves. The point is that the apparent height of the discs from the ground is nowhere near what they'd need to be. 
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Sir Kodiak posted:The point is that the apparent height of the discs from the ground is nowhere near what they'd need to be. The whole movie has a lot of issues with scale. Every time they show the queen she gets smaller. In the thermal graphic she's taking up like a third of her little command center ship and that thing is like 600 miles across.
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muscles like this? posted:There was one scene where an alien got thrown around which looked shockingly bad. He only needed to wait one more decade before he could terrorize any aliens.
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Mu Zeta posted:In ID4 everything to do with the stripper wife and the dog and the president's wife was a waste of time. Also way too much time with the dysfunctional alcoholic dad and his lovely grumpy kids.
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I wonder if anyone in Canada died in ID4. You hear about the 3 ships in the US and everywhere else around the world but none others in north america. I guess canada and mexico got off easy?
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The aliens didn't have the appropriate invasion visas for Canada and Mexico. Can't just let everybody invade without proper paperwork.
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zVxTeflon posted:I wonder if anyone in Canada died in ID4. You hear about the 3 ships in the US and everywhere else around the world but none others in north america. I guess canada and mexico got off easy? The Resurgence website (yes, there is one) has a list of the cities that were destroyed. Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver were hit from Canada. Mexico lost Mexico City, Monterrey, and Guadalajara. The US altogether lost Washington, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Dallas, Houston, El Paso, Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta, and Miami.
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Cythereal posted:The US altogether lost Houston
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Timeless Appeal posted:I really, really don't think ID4 is a good movie, but I will say those plots work for me. At the very least, they provide a sense of scale for the destruction that is very clear. I literally have no idea how many people died in Resurgence. A few hundred million or is like most of humanity dead? I'm sure you could do the math, but both movies are brainless and ID4 was able to give you a good understanding of the destruction without you thinking more than it was. The utterly apocalyptic implications of a vehicle large and massive enough to suck up the surface of Eurasia like God's Roomba are completely ignored and played like a theme park ride.
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McSpanky posted:The utterly apocalyptic implications of a vehicle large and massive enough to suck up the surface of Eurasia like God's Roomba are completely ignored and played like a theme park ride. We will probably never get a movie that handles the destruction of the Earth as a plot point as well as Saints Row did, but if we did it would've made a great Independence Day sequel
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:We will probably never get a movie that handles the destruction of the Earth as a plot point as well as Saints Row did, but if we did it would've made a great Independence Day sequel Saint's Row 4 is roughly equal parts Independence Day, The Matrix, and Deadpool. Tricky as hell to get right on screen, but I'd watch it.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I really, really don't think ID4 is a good movie, but I will say those plots work for me. At the very least, they provide a sense of scale for the destruction that is very clear. I literally have no idea how many people died in Resurgence. A few hundred million or is like most of humanity dead? I'm sure you could do the math, but both movies are brainless and ID4 was able to give you a good understanding of the destruction without you thinking more than it was. I just irrationally hate grumpy teens
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Cythereal posted:The Resurgence website (yes, there is one) has a list of the cities that were destroyed. Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver were hit from Canada. Mexico lost Mexico City, Monterrey, and Guadalajara. The US altogether lost Washington, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Dallas, Houston, El Paso, Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta, and Miami. Hahaha not even the aliens gave a gently caress about the Prairies.
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Cythereal posted:The Resurgence website (yes, there is one) has a list of the cities that were destroyed. Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver were hit from Canada. Mexico lost Mexico City, Monterrey, and Guadalajara. The US altogether lost Washington, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Dallas, Houston, El Paso, Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta, and Miami. The new US capital is Area 51 isn't it?
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Timeless Appeal posted:That's kind of weird because it's like a child's understanding of geography. Like you got to assume like Jersey City or Raleigh or Orlando or Portland and like a shitton of medium sized cities were also destroyed. Like it wasn't the concetrated laser blast that destroyed the cities like in the last movie but the massive tidal waves right? And those would be a big deal too. But no. Here is just a random list of cities. I think he's talking about cities that got blasted in the first movie by the city destroyers, not cities that got bulldozed in the second. Also the capital in the sequel is still DC.
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Xenomrph posted:I think he's talking about cities that got blasted in the first movie by the city destroyers, not cities that got bulldozed in the second. Yeah, the movie's website shows every single city hit by city killers. There's a lot of weird cities on the menu. Here's the full list that were struck by city killers: North America USA: Washington, New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Dallas, Houston, El Paso, Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta, and Miami Mexico: Mexico City, Monterrey, and Guadalajara Canada: Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver Cuba: Havana South America Brazil: Sao Paolo, Rio de Janeiro Argentina: Buenos Aires Venezuela: Caracas Europe Russia: Moscow, Saint Petersburg, Volgograd, Vladivostok, Petropavlosk UK: London, Liverpool, Belfast, Birmingham France: Paris, Lyon, Marseilles Germany: Berlin, Hamburg, Munich Italy: Rome, Venice, Naples Netherlands: Amsterdam, Rotterdam Ukraine: Kiev, Odessa Turkey: Istanbul, Ankara Belgium: Brussels Czech Republic: Prague Spain: Barcelona Monaco: Monaco Austria: Vienna Hungary: Budapest Poland: Warsaw Sweden: Stockholm Finland: Helsinki Yugoslavia: Belgrade Bosnia: Sarajevo Romania: Bucharest Greece: Athens Africa Congo: Kinshasa, Republique Nationale Morocco: Casablanca Egypt: Cairo Libya: Tripoli Algeria: Algiers Senegal: Dakar Ivory Coast: Abidjan Nigeria: Lagos Ethiopia: Addis Ababa Kenya: Nairobi Somalia: Mogadishu South Africa: Cape Town Asia China: Beijing, Qiqihar, Harbin, Shenyang, Changchun, Pingxiang, Wuhan, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Macau, Ningbo, Hangzhou, Guangzhou, Kunming India: Bombay, New Delhi, Hyderabad, Bangalore, Madras, Calcutta Japan: Tokyo, Sapporo, Yokohama, Osaka, Nagoya Pakistan: Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi South Korea: Seoul, Pusan, Hiroshi Israel: Jerusalem, Tel Aviv Saudi Arabia: Mecca, Riyadh Myanmar: Mandalay, Rangoon Vietnam: Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City Indonesia: Jakarta, Medan Iran: Tehran Iraq: Baghdad Lebanon: Beirut Syria: Damascus Afghanistan: Kabul Nepal: Kathmandu Sri Lanka: Columbo Bangladesh: Dhaka North Korea: Pyonyang Taiwan: Taipei Thailand: Bangkok Laos: Vientiane Cambodia: Phnom Penh Malaysia: Kuala Lumpur Singapore: Singapore Oceania Australia: Sydney, Perth Philippines: Manila
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I know it just lovely EU for a promo website but lol at places like Kabul and Mogadishu on that list.
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They destroyed thirteen cities in Africa and Johannesburg wasn't one of them.
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Hadaka Apron posted:They destroyed cities in Africa
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Cool, New Zealand was totally safe. Also Perth was the only other Australian city hit apart from Sydney? loving lol
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Hedrigall posted:Cool, New Zealand was totally safe. If anything, Brisbane was more deserving.
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