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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

germlin posted:

So what is going on in Perfect Countries? Aside from Sweden getting tuff on crime, Denmark confiscating gold teeth and Norway having slightly less than all of the money?

Sweden is trudging along for the housing market equivalent of Ragnarök and yet, it was barely even discussed in this weeks large political 7-day gathering in Almedalen. Instead, every party is trying to orient towards their own version of nationalism and gossip about Brexit. Since last month we also officially have one of the worst asylum policy packages in Europe thanks to proposition 174 getting voted through. When questioned about particulars that have been deemed contra-productive by swedish government agencies, courts and NGO's the only answer given by the government is; 'We did that because that's what the EU-minimum says is the least we can do.'

We gon' be alright. :suicide:

Noshtane posted:

Let's talk about Miljöpartiet. They have now betrayed pretty much all of their core issues. No nuclear power exit in sight, Vattenfalls coal mines are sold and our borders are tighter than Tupacs first rap album. They didn't do that very good back in 2014, how will they do now with all the broken promises and purges to slow them down? Will we see the end of MP and F! taking their role as the small party filled with oddballs?

I still can't believe that Fridolin actually got to stay.

MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Jul 9, 2016

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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Wild Horses posted:

especially riksrevisionen and jan björklund

Har jag missat något nu?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Wild Horses posted:

Låt oss låtsas om att det finns en poäng att rösta på olika partier i Sverige.

FI? :sweden:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Haha vad är det här för stadsfolk fördomar, södra landsbygden har minst lika mycket vapen som norra.

MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jul 21, 2016

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Mercrom posted:

We are looking wistfully at America, Britain, France, Turkey, jealous of the things that make a country interesting

Hey now, seeing how this year is going boring is not only fine, but appreciated.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

I think it's unfair to single out Kaplan when the rest of MP's current leadership have also been caught making terrible decisions like every five minutes. It's not like race has any correlation to competence.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011


Whoa


In anecdotal news, my parents just got offered a bunch of rates on mortgages since they're buying a cheap house out on the Västragötaland countryside. Lowest rate offered by a major bank so far?

0.35% on a 3 month contract. :captainpop:

With the soon to be 3 month price hike and as of yet no word from Ingves I think this thing might finally be about to pop.

MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 12:06 on Aug 22, 2016

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Dirk Pitt posted:

Apparently there was a fire the other day? I got an alarm from SOSAlarm saying to close my windows.

An art-school on Skeppsholmen burnt through the entire night. From the sheer time it took to actually kill it I can only presume that some painters supplies must have self-combusted.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

Pretty much.
The funny part is that no one seems interested in actual politics like the budget or the problems within L as examples.

It's not like the budget is really that suprising though. Instead we get UR and SVT drama.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

A Buttery Pastry posted:

They'll seem fun when you get to shoot Russian infiltrators.

So SD bureaucrats?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

I find the admiration for Putin among SD party members to be rather hilarious.
Islamophobia in all its glory, but among the older conservative Swedish population I would say Russophobia is pretty strong.
Especially considering all the old M voters among SD, who traditionally wants a strong military to ward off those pesky commies.

The weird thing is that it's literally every populist-right party this year up and including a american presidential candidate. :psyduck:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Well, Russia is their main source of financing, so it's not really that strange. Plus they share a lot of goals, such as destroying or weakening the EU.

Yeah that I understand, but why is the rank and file completely unphased by it?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

Ok, so why doesn't for example V massively increase in polling numbers.
The increase of 1-2% for V last year has more to do with MP than anything else.
I would hardly call V for social democracy.

So if your theory about third way social democracy is true there should be a fertile ground for socialist parties.
But we are not seeing that. S have lost like 10% in polling numbers the last decade, and that loss have not been picked up by V.

Well we did have our Corbyn, it's just that unlike Corbyn he was not a unscrupulous saint so the internal rebellion actually worked.

Also I'm not sure what 2014 results you are remembering. The results are here but I can summarize the parties who actually gained voters in 2014 for you because you're forgetting something:

SD: +7.16%
S: +0.35%
V: +0.11%
FI: +2.72%

SD did make big gains but they did not do so in a vacuum, the left in Sweden gained 3.18% and most of that went out the window because of FI not making the 4% threshold, but that doesn't mean it's not there. I would argue that V did not increase because they're not the only alternative left party on the block anymore. We are seeing a push towards both alternative right and left in Sweden, and I'm relatively sure that we will see more of that in the next election.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Speaking as someone actually from that side of Sweden, Göteborg has had troubles with crime and begging since way, and I mean waaaaay, before the current Romani situation. I'd be careful about conflating the two.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Wild Horses posted:

but how about criminals organizing begging, did ya get that before?

Yes that was some awkward phrasing and I stand by it. :colbert:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

I must admit that they've gotten way better at dogwhistles over the years. The recent motion to supress media consolidation by "ethnic groups"(:godwinning:) being the latest example.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

The last thing I have apparently missed?
Care to elaborate?

http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/sd-riksdagsledamot-minska-bonniers-makt-ta-bort-presstodet/

I believe someone is about to get the boot again.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Zudgemud posted:

Reallly?
Because then the scale must have been way different. I literally nerver encountered beggars in the city center, except a few "regulars", until that EU expansion happened. We have had lots of homeless people, but they were not begging actively on the street for some reson.

Did you literally never travel from the train station? I'm not sure how one could miss it. :psyduck:

But yes, the scale was different. It was a few hotspot instead of the current literally everywhere.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

One thing I noted in the debate was Löfvens deflections when it came to asylum seekers.
Leaving that issue aside, he constantly deferred to EU to handle regulations which accordingly would relieve him of responsibility for future policy changes since it is all EU.

While that is somewhat true, there are 2 issues with that argumentation.
1. Considering how asylum is handled in EU, that part will take a long time to happen.
2. Löfven is basically trying to transfer the blame to EU, making them the scapegoat.
That line of argumentation is pretty bad and we have seen the result already in Europe with Brexit and UK politicians blaming EU for everything bad.
He should also consider which parties in Riksdagen benefit from a negative opinion to EU i.e. V and SD.

You really should give prop 2015/16:174 a read. Just page after page of the responsible government ministers answering "we're doing this because the EU minimum says so" over and over again when critiqued on the specifics by our courts, government agencies and civil society organizations. Doesn't matter that it's not true, that's the story they've decided on to sleep at night. Coincidentally, this has also been the answer provided whenever the issue has been brought up in interviews and debates since at least Almedalen.

It's loving pathetic.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Poil posted:

I don't know what I'm talking about but are they just admitting to just doing the bare minimum (even if it's true)? How is it EU's fault they're not doing a better job? Will they get punished by the other EU ministers by jantelagen or something? Please tell me I'm wrong again.

Yes, but they're using it as a justification, as if there was some causal connection which there of course isn't.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

I wonder if what we are seeing in the west is the beginning of a break-up between neoliberals and conservatives, where the latter have started to realise they are not working towards the same goals any longer when socialism is all but dead.

Yeah pretty much? Triangulation has been a thing in both the right and left after all. The traditional left gave up redistribution and the role of the state while the traditional right in reaction gave up on conservatism and the role of the military.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

S in 2006-2010 and M in 2010-2014.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

BigglesSWE posted:

The great irony hear (apart from my joke) is that I'm actually studying history at Örebro University. Clearly I need it amirite?

Oh you poor soul :ohdear:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

It was more a jab at the yesterdays Nobel Prize winner in literature, Bob Dylan, which caused a literal and glorious meltdown among Swedish "culture" journalists.

It was a loving hilarious decision. There was a big article in DN leading up to the nomination about how American authors have grown completely disenfranchised with the literature price as they almost never get nominated. This must be the most 'be careful what you wish for' reaction ever.

Cardiac posted:

This year you did it well with the Columbian President (as well as not giving it to Farc).

I don't think the Norwegian committee ever got that the peace price is not supposed to be ironic.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Wild Horses posted:

Dylan is a fine choice but he's a pop singer and also very old and white so hmm i can see why DN kultur writers don't like it

No DN are big fans actually, it's everyone else that is against.

Beeswax posted:

Prize, not price. :|

Prize price prise pris

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

McCloud posted:

Honestly, the whole Dylan-meltdown by feminists would be pretty funny if it wasn't so ugly, at times. Publishing a column in metro where you go on a diatribe against men who like Bob Dylan, generally disparaging male musicians and ending it with "Learn to lick pussy, you'll have more use of that than playing guitar" is incredibly gross and offensive.

Unrelated question: What do you guys follow to stay up to date on the political climate in Sweden? I used to absorb poo poo through osmosis but since becoming an expat I feel as if I don't have my finger on the pulse of things anymore, and I'd at least try to not create a little bubble divorced from reality for myself. That's how you get real crazy opinions.

Did I just have a stroke?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Or you know just SR. Unbiased an encompassing all from state to local politics.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

All hail SR

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Name one more on average trustworthy source in the Swedish media landscape.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Just tells me that living in the urban part of Sweden and having a journalist degree skews towards certain conclusions about society. Just like I'd expect someone with an engineering degree to skew towards policies based on rationalism and cultural students to skew towards those based on structuralism. I'm more concerned about outcome in this regard and SR is way better than anyone else (including SVT) due to their decentralized structure and at sometimes absurdly high regard for the un-partisan work-ethic. DN, SVD and Dagens Samhäll do okay in this regard as well (disregarding opinion pieces of course) but not as well.

Sometimes I just wish you could attend a goon-meet or two Cardiac. We agree on so much but disagree so hard on the details when it comes to certain subjects. :sigh:

cinci zoo sniper posted:

:rolleye: So when do the short clips become accountable? 2 minutes and 1 second? 6 minutes and 9 seconds? Or wait, maybe it is whatever is slightly longer than the SR produce?

SR does both short-news blurs (ekot) and in-depth media reporting (too many to count) so that left me slightly perplexed as well.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Pump it up! Do it! posted:

Someone who is biased and unprofessional as gently caress is a national treasure? http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=5682578 . SVT and SR is utter poo poo and the sooner those two awful propaganda mouth pieces are destroyed the better. Thankfully young people don't use them so the willingness to pay for that poo poo will go down and SVT has hired Jan Helin to make the process even quicker.

:lol:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Cardiac posted:

As for goon meets, they should be in a more civilised and multicultural place down south, not in a gated community like Stockholm.

That never stopped goons who were literally from other countries. :v:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Kiruna has too much activity and property values, drat Sami making the area attractive. :argh:


We should meet in Grums.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

That'd be more like a goon trip.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Dirk Pitt posted:

I'd attend this trip. I'm embarrassed that in the 8 months we have lived here we have only spent two weeks out of Stockholm, and that was in Gothenburg and Malmö. But we do have Åre and Kiruna on our list this winter.

There are people born in Stockholm who spend less time in the non-Stockholm parts of Sweden in their entire lifetime so I wouldn't worry quite yet.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

eightpole posted:

Grums doft är himmelsk tyvm

Äkta landsbygd luktar gödsel och blommor.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

eightpole posted:

Närmaste det vi kommer här är lukten på raggarbilswunderbaum :(

Jag vet inte varför just min landsbygd saknade volvoraggare. Bara 7km bort på grannorten gömde sig fienden....

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

eightpole posted:

Känns lite som att du missade halva upplevelsen.
Landsbygdsuppväxt är inte komplett utan rondellbuller i form av Eddie Meduza...

Rondeller? Vad är det för urbant helvetesskap du spenderat tiden i där korsningar inte är gud?

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Must suck to have your election just over a week earlier than the most hyped up US presidential election of forever. I think SR did some piece about the pirate party a couple of days ago but beyond that I haven't really heard anything.

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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Jerry Cotton posted:

That doesn't sound good to me.

I think you're starting to get a good grasp of this whole rural thing.


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