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Heinz Hynkel posted:I am simply comparing sweden with Norway and Denmark. Even even though it is not the "rape capital of the world" its extreme compared to nations Don't forget the Swedish no-go zones. Ruled by rival clans of warlord. ISIS fighters man the ramparts with AK-47s and RPGs and local police dare not come near.
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punk rebel ecks posted:While I'm asking questions, I'm curious, why do your education results lag behind neighboring countries? Is it due to all three charter schools? A friends wife who's a middle school teacher blames immigration. She says she has several students she can't communicate with at all. They are supposed to have translators help but there aren't enough translators. The students get failed in all subjects and it does a lot to tank the over all score. On the other hand I did some googling and found articles from something like 2008 when the Moderates blamed the Social Democrats for it and said that it would take a while before the Moderates school reforms improved the situation. 10 years later and still waiting I suppose.
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Hey Danish people what the gently caress. https://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders You are literally the second most socialist country in the world after China. Why you do this? Why do you give the libertarians this fuel so they can claim that free market magic is why the Scandinavian countries have higher standards of living?
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Randarkman posted:Scandinavian countries aren't socialist. That's not to say that socialism hasn't been important or that it doesn't continue to be important. But I'd still say it's wrong to call any of them socialist countries. All googling indicates that Denmark has the most socialist policies of all. And if we adopt a position that "No country is really socialist" and so the Scandinavian countries are not then that's just arguing in bad faith.
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What about the whole thing where the government strong arms capital to keep down things like rent prices and maintain labour rights?
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Mar 28, 2018 22:00
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Randarkman posted:Keep down rent? I wish. Maybe it's just Sweden then where law regulates the price of rent?
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TheRat posted:And Germany. You know, that bastion of socialism that is the heart of the EU. Well that does sound pretty socialistic.
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Alhazred posted:This right here shows that you don't know what the gently caress you're talking about. The rent is 100% controlled by the capital. No actually hyresnämnden does that based on the rent of other apartments the same size in the same area and based on the condition of the apartment Alhazred posted:Maintaining labour rights is primarily the union's responsibilities, not the government's, especially with our current government. Which the unions can do mainly due to the support of the state and strong laws for labour rights. This is also combined with the fact that the government and municipalities won't even assign major contracts to companies without collective bargaining deals.
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Alhazred posted:I guess not banning unions count as support of the state in the US? The unions are more often than not in conflict with the state. The US is by comparison to Sweden pretty hostile to unions and the results in labour rights show. In Sweden the employer by law even has "rehabilitation responsibility" to tend to injured or disabled workers which is pretty amazing. Likewise you need to provide a good reason to lay off a worker so the capital can't just axe workers to try and keep them cowed. Sweden doesn't even have a minimum wage. The unions opposed minimum wages. If you want to be cynical you can say that they did so to maintain their own position to bargain over wages. The unions argument however is that they don't want the government to set wages into law because governments and laws are very slow to change and wages depend on fluid changes to be maintained. Otherwise they will fall behind. They don't want capital to point to a minimum wage set 12 years ago and say "That's how much you should make" Everything else the government decides on like unemployment and pensions tend to lag behind severely from inflation alone. Katt fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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TheFluff posted:Only if you actually sue your landlord. True to corporativist form, there's collective bargaining for rents too, except there's essentially only one union (Hyresgästföreningen), and they've recently made some noises about how higher rents in Stockholm would be really cool & good. Hyresnämnden is to rents what arbetsdomstolen is to wages. Most landlords have collective bargaining agreements with Hyresgästföreningen but these days there are plenty of loopholes that allow you to get around rent controls - one obvious one is "presumtionshyra", which is essentially an exception to rent control which lasts for 15 years after the construction of a new building, to incentivize construction. After the 15 years are up the rent is supposed to return to "normal" but I don't think this actually tends to happen in reality. Correct. Newly built rental apartments have more freedom but after the 15 years are up. Regardless of what rent they agreed on the rent can then be appealed by the tenant. I'l admit I haven't read much on how often rents actually go down at that point. 15 years is a lot of inflation too if the rent just stayed the same over that period. However if the country did have free market rent I doubt it would improve the shortage. It would just make it impossible for non-rich people to live anywhere near the city. All my experiences with Hyresgästföreningen have been bad. Approaching them from either side even. I want so say that they are hopefully a net positive to the members. I don' want to poo poo on any unions because I know they are important.
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So I guess my hopes for a leftist party single majority government followed by Bolshevik revolution and the top 20% against the wall is delayed for another 4 years?
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I still miss Lars Ohly that crazy motherfucker. I will never forget when they called him a communist and his response was like "I am no longer a communist" Beeswax posted:A temporary setback Mecha-Stalin slumbers for now.
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Dirk Pitt posted:Can someone give a short rundown of Jimmie Åkesson’s speech? He says that he is willing to cooperate with all parties. But he is inviting Ulf Kristersson to a meeting on how the country should be run.
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I have no doubt that Ulf Kristersson lacks any qualms about cooperating with the nazis. The only thing holding him back is that he knows that in the next election his party would pay dearly for it.
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"Radicals such as the centre party"  SD guy accused S of spreading fake news. Katt fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Sep 9, 2018 |
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What happens if Ulf just ignores Jimmy and each block votes for their own budgets. Won't that force SD to support the right wing side without having milked them for concessions?
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ditty bout my clitty posted:The great thing about marxism is that everyone can be poor at the same time When the forest is cut down, the chips fly.
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All the Alliance leaders claim they will never cooperate with SD while at the same time taking the support of SD as given.
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Baudolino posted:Only if they are stupid. If i was Åkesson i would ruthlessly cut down any conservative goverment that refused to deal with me, regardless of the consequences. But with the reds having 1 extra mandate that would mean Jimmy giving S the victory which he can't effort to do.
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It's notable how Alliance party leaders act like the red block only contains S while the reds recognizes the whole Alliance.
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Löfven is challenging Ulf to  him with Jimmys Luger.RIP.
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That timeline.    Notable icons of Swedish nationalism and tradition family values: The Moomin.
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A friends daughter was voting in Biskopsgården and she told him a totally true story of how election staff were checking what voting cards people were picking and then formed them into lines. Those who picked SD cards were made to wait for over 2 hours while the rest were allowed to vote. I'm thinking she just co-opted some nazi meme she saw on facebook.
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Help us mr Trump. Call in the marines. Help Sweden achieve the level of political order and stability you are known for.
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Fabulous Knight posted:He's 100% going to answer. What the hell is going on in Sweden, folks? Everything has been in a downward spiral since the ISIS RPG attack on IKEA last year.
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BigglesSWE posted:M and KD has now formally told SD to GTFO. We’ll see if that attitude will last. So now what? SD sinks both the big blocks budgets untill there's a re-election or they grudgingly back the alliance budget?
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BigglesSWE posted:Or the other parties cobble together a Frankenstein’s monster of a government. Jonas sjöstedt as prime minister perhaps :think:
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throw to first drat IT posted:Famous Alt-Right organization, OSCE. Are you saying that the guy with the shaved head and runic tattoos who brought vote cards with him might infact be a piece of poo poo? 
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:That's kind of weird. In Denmark you just get handed a single massive sheet of paper, like A2 size, and then tick off whatever box once you're in the booth. Do they print enough ballots for each party for everyone? It doesn't even sound like it saves paper. You pick one of each colour and put each in an envelope, seal and hand them in. There's usually more than enough and parties hand them to people in spam mail. 
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evil_bunnY posted:The only party we got a ballot for in the mail was SD, and we’re both filthy expats/immigrants. We got yer jerbs already, losers. Nice targeting. Give it to a shy neighbour? My PIN is 4826 posted:You pick one from each party, then take the ones you didn’t use to vote for and put them in your pocket and bin them when you get home. Hope that helps? Only SD voters pick more than 3 though so that's a sure sign.
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Biomute posted:Or you know, just have the ballots be stored on the inside of the booth like a civilized country. But then how will the frowning old ladies that always roam the voting areas like hunter-seeker-drones be able to guilt you into voting the right way?
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Fox Cunning posted:Yeah we should probably change the system with open valsedlar tbh. Kinda not good enough. I don't even know what they want me to vote for but I know when I'm going for the wrong ones.
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MiddleOne posted:It's really all about the congestion tax. In Stockholm the population was asked before it was implemented, in Gothenburg they were not. The discussion might have warped since then but the underlying issue is still that the population was never properly bought in on the tax, the tax turned out to be widely unpopular (implementation was not entirely stellar) and since the tax finances Västlänken the two are intertwined. The tolls were supposed to reduce congestion Except the congestion is the same but now we pay as well 
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Clayton Bigsby posted:At Korsvägen you just close your eyes, pray and gun it The only traffic circle I ever saw where once you got into it. You had to give right of way to vehicles entering it (buses and trams) Zudgemud posted:You are either old enough to remember the old clusterfuck or a sheltered youngling that has not known true terror behind the wheels. Young drivers either get good or die trying. GBG is basically Sparta for drivers. I worked in Borås and people there take their cars to the airport or something and then catch a bus from there rather than drive into GBG.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:The anecdote I've always heard was that Gothenburg had the best layed-out roads in Sweden - back when we had left-side driving. Then we switched to the right, and the city never recovered. "Vi bjuder i dag in Socialdemokraternas partiledare Stefan Löfven till samtal. Vi vill bygga en Alliansregering på samarbete över blockgränsen. Ahaha Alliance government. As if he'd hand over the prime minister post to save you from SD. I will be wo dissapointed if Löfven settle for anything less than keeping the post or making the alliance take help from SD to commissar him.
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MiddleOne posted:I think the current masterplan from Ulf is to keep bluffing until the actual vote against Löfven happens, and to then pray to god that C or SD (L doesn't matter) don't bail at the last second. It's a plan that's virtually unchanged since election-day. Wouldn't an M+KD+SD budget be shot down by all the other parties?
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DekeThornton posted:It wouldn't be M+KD+SD, it would be M+KD putting forward a budget that they know SD as well as C and L would accept over an S budget. That way C will get their cost cuts and lowered taxes while being able to claim to not work with SD and SD, who are now much more economically conservative than they were previously, will get a budget that will be in line with their focus on law and order and strict immigration. C most likely know that joining S won't give them any less restrictive immigration policies anyway, and they have nothing in common regarding taxation and labor policies. Hasn't SD promised to torpedo any budget that they can't wring concisions out of? They're going to look bad if they obediently follow an Alliance budget without input.
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