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cinci zoo sniper posted:I was mostly getting at weather in Bergen, i.e. "who wants to live there". Real estate is going to be insanely expensive anywhere in the Nordics, I think, unless you are buying a chunk of swamp beyond the polar circle. While the weather might be poo poo Bergen is considered a very beautiful city, and the food/nightlife/culture scene in the more northern cities have been skyrocketing recently. I doubt you'd find it cheap.
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evilmiera posted:Det enda en taco inte bör innehålla är majs. Allt annat är tillåtet. Mais er det eneste du ikke kan droppe i tacoen.
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Echo-chambers are not a great thing for anyone, but it would be nice if we could have a thread without the same three posters responding to every other post with far-right derails, conspiracy theories and propaganda. Even if one believes in this stuff there is more to Scandiavian politics than immigration and I for one would like to be able to get deep into that valuable discourse. I am of course talking about issues such as Swedish pizza and which taco toppings are the best.
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Fox Cunning posted:Not that Malmö isn't the Kung of Skitstäder. Just not in that way. I hear that apart from maybe an alley or two as a whole it's among the nicer cities in Scandinavia. Good restaurants, good bars and breweries, but smaller, friendlier and cheaper than Göteborg and especially Stockholm. Idyllic in the summer etc. I've never been though, and the dude vouching for it drives tanks for a living so maybe he's used to an apocalyptic wasteland.
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Drug dealers is Oslo (well, the ones who hang out in gentrified areas such as Akerselva and Torggata) will just stand on a corner and whisper/cough something that I'm guessing translates into "Do you want to buy some Khat/Pot". This seems to fit the Norwegian temperament pretty well as you can simply look straight ahead and keep walking, like you would in any other situation where someone says something to you out in public.
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It is rather impressive how quickly the far-right have managed to disseminate their new talking points, when under a year ago it was still "but what about the law-abiding, upstanding citizens (rich conservative white people)" and now even the lowliest troll will be going on about the poor working class. Say what you will about the far-left, but at least they are consistent. On one hand it's kind of good that the far-right is talking about the working class, as many of them are working class themselves and it would be an improvement over being instruments of rich assholes, but on the other hand they helped elect Trump. We can hope they start follwing through on their promises, but I rather doubt it, especially considering the brown people they hate tend to be poor and working class as well.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Meanwhile center-left people seem too busy defending globalization and free trade to bother with stuff like class issues anymore. Margaret Thatchers greatest success wasn't limited to only Tony Blair I think. Just been reading a few threads in this forum and it really makes you wonder if there's any hope left. What do you mean by globalization in this context? A lot of the time, when these accusations are leveled upon "the left" (which seemingly includes everyone one disagrees with, regardless of their actual place on the political spectrum) by the far-right and the ill-informed they're referring to everything from free movement of people to any sense of human compassion and unity, not international-scale business. Certainly center-left politicians have a vested interest in propping up free-trade as long as its relatively stable and profitable and in doing so they've arguably helped tear down a lot of the victories their own parties fought for over the years. I'm not convinced that they've done so with the consent of the average centre-left voter. Theoretically, we're supposed to have choice and then whoever we choose will generally do what we want them to do, but that's not how it generally works out. For us Scandinavians, it seems like after the far-right was defeated there was a period of incredible steps forward thanks to a centre-left with actual leftist politics, but then collusion between centrist forces in both the centre-left and conservative parties squeezed the left out and neo-liberalism have ruled ever since. A lot of the groundwork for scapegoating the left had been prepared by the centrists and the resurgent far-right have seized on that. They blame "the left" for threatening the quality of life that they've grown accustomed to, when the reality is that 1. Without the left they would never have had it in the first place. 2. The left lost control a long time ago and aint threatening poo poo. I think centre-left people still care about class issues, but people are not very politically active. The most we can muster is a torchlight procession now and again. If the centre-left parties have been co-opted by people with their own agendas, and the parties left of that have been marginalized to the point of being ineffectual people are just going to keep voting as they've always done in hope of better times or lose hope and either stop voting or buy into the right-wing bs in hope of shaking things up.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Globalization as in free movement of goods and capital. I don't feel like most people here would be considered "politically active" by the standards of the 60s, 70s and even 80s. I'm sure there's plenty of exceptions to that and I guess I'm mostly projecting, but it feels like most people here are very well informed, but not necessarily "active" outside of voting. Maybe I'm wrong and what I'm really feeling is that we're ineffectual. I think there's certainly pro's to global integration. Nationalism is a dangerous beast, even if Norway has benefited from it in the past, and international cooperation is clearly a boon in many areas such as research and education. As a consumer I want access to goods that would not be available if Norway was an isolationist state, and I think free movement of people has the potential of reducing inequality. As a democratic socialist I realize that there's also the danger of exploitation when these options become available and I've voted for a government that theoretically should have overseen and regulated all of this quite carefully. Now, a communist might say that the nature of the beast (capitalism) is that this is impossible, but previous successes gave us every reason to believe it could be done, but I feel like we've been let down/betrayed along the way. As for being city-centric, well, maybe. I don't feel particularly bad for hypothetical farmers who want to grow lovely Norwegian tomatoes and charge a fortune, when clearly there are places in the world where better tomatoes might be grown more effectively. Norwegian farmers should grow things that either grow well in Norway, or have a particular advantage when it comes to flavor etc. I also find it strange how much of the criticism from areas outside of the cities is racial in nature. If immigrants really were such a horrible thing than surely the cities should be grumbling the loudest as we've got the most of them. It sounds like the hicks might benefit from some exposure to different cultures and peoples. thotsky fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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MiddleOne posted:Lets not pretend that the biggest problems concerning Scandinavian's agriculture's ability to compete is the environment. There are plenty of crops and animals that thrive in our climate and the reason they're in decline are spelled labour laws, animal rights and enviromental policy. The competitive edge that most of Europe has on us is that they simply don't care. It's not that they're magically more efficient. Nah, quality is an issue. Made in Norway is such a bullshit argument. Norwegian produce is poo poo. Go into any Italian supermarket and be blown away in comparison. We can grow some decent cabbage, potatoes and carrots maybe, but really we should be trading for better quality produce. I'd not be surprised if trying to grow watermelon or whatever in Norway is more harmful to the environment. For sure southern europe is more efficient, nothing magic about it. Their labor laws might be worse than ours (although I'd not be surprised if we're all using EU laws by now), but clearly their environment is just more suited to it (and their farmer are probably better at it too). It's one of those cases where international trade is clearly a good thing, and if we wanted to we could try to ensure that whatever produce we buy is produced in a manner that suits our ethics. thotsky fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Randarkman posted:Norwegian apples and strawberries can be pretty drat good. Though there is a great deal of regional variation, and you won't get the local goods in all supermarkets. Norwegian apples have "character" which is another lovely excuse. Granny Smith or whatever is clearly better for eating and cooking, while English cider apples blow ours out of the water for that purpose. Norwegian stawberries never impress me and are probably propped up in some way. Our cloudberries are good and unique, focus on that.
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MiddleOne posted:There's no might about it, this is literally how it works. And no, EU laws have not created an equilibrium on this, it's straight up a race to the bottom. Germany and Poland are not export giants in meat and produce because of their efficiency, they are because they depress wages aggressively and treat their animals extremely poorly which drives prices down. Scandinavian countries have both more capital and technological know-how, but as we actually price in negative externalities and ethical concerns ours will always be more expensive in a free market. I'm not pro-EU by any means, clearly it's a rigged system. Ostensibly we're supposed to have full access to the one-market and have additional opportunities to trade outside of it thanks to our sorta-in status, but you only have to go to Sweden to see that for some reason or another we're left with a much slimmer selection and somewhat worse quality on our imports if you ask me. I'll take your word for labor laws being slack over there, but clearly they have the advantage of soil and sun. Norway might be underutilized, but it's not just down to their farmers getting more leeway. Their produce grows faster, bigger and better. I can conceed that it's possible our produce might come out on top in a few rare occasions if we're comparing specific local goods that are somewhat suited to our environment to the shoddiest of spanish imports, but the fact remains that most of what I've seen (Oslo/Akershus) is pretty sad and stunted stuff. I'd be all for Norwegian farmers blowing me away with their technological know-how. I'm not worried by GMO's or whatever if they can produce a superior product, but I don't want to pay a premum without anything in return, and while our milk farmers talk a good game about how they treat their cows and stuff I'm not that convinced considering other things our farmers will do, nor do I care enough to make it my primary concern. I guess I can look foward to sipping some white wines from the south of Sweden in my old age if we're not all dead by then, but as someone who's into food and stuff international imports are a must. thotsky fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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Vesi posted:surprisingly it's about the superiority of the Finnish bitches compared to dirty wild-eyed foreigners The Finnish do have the best bitches. 
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McCloud posted:On that point, what are ya'll doing to secure your retirement? I'm mostly stockpiling cash to be able to buy in to the stockmarket the next time the system/market inevitably crashes. A friend of mine has silver bars at home, which seems a bit cumbersome but still a good backup in case inflation fucks the krona up. I live in the UK now and my employers will match my contribution into my pensions up to a certain % of my salary ( think i put in like 3℅ each month) I put 50k in a tax free savings account reserved for housing expenses 10 years ago. Getting a job is theoretically the next step in my plan.
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The relevant guy is from the party called the conservatives. Stop taking bait.
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Rødt burde slå seg sammen med SV, med Moxnes som leder. SV trenger krutt, Rødt trenger velgere, og vi trenger alle å bli kvitt Lysbakken. Vil stemme Rødt, men hva er poenget om de ikke kan komme i regjering?
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V. Illych L. posted:om rødt og SV slo seg sammen ville det sporenstreks dannes minst ett utbryterparti Hvorfor ikke? Rødt står ikke lenger for væpnet revolusjon og resten av prinsipprogrammet er det samme som SV sitt bare skrevet tydeligere så langt jeg kan se. Nå er jeg jævlig ulært på dette, men det ser ut for meg som at Rødt ikke er noe parti for Maoister og Marxist-Leninister uansett, så om begge partiene prøver å appellere til folk som faller ett eller annet sted mellom venstrekommunister - demokratiske sosialister - sosialdemokrater så bør da ikke det være helt døfødt?
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Cardiac posted:It is nice for once to see an artist actually stand up for his/her opinions, instead of random moaning/hypocrisy. Not always. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obMdvSOh1dE
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Does Rødt have any actual replacement for NATO in mind, security policy wise? I get that NATO is used to protect capitalist interests in an imperialistic way, drags us into conflicts of aggression and allow the US undue influence on us politically and economically, but I don't see that Rødt is proposing any realistic alternative. I scoured the Rødt webside and they say they want a national defense made up of conscripts, and to train the civilian populace for an insurgency should we be occupied. That's not really... I mean, at the height of Norwegian mobilization, back during the cold war, the most we could hope for was to delay the Russians for a short while. We need an alliance. I agree with the NATO criticism above, but I suspect some of the opposition is rooted in a historical belief that Russia could be our Marxist-Leninist comrades. I doubt there is anyone on the left who still sees Russia as ideological allies so what is the proposed alternative to NATO? Do most other people on the left believe it is better to risk our own security than staying with NATO?
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Randarkman posted:Soviet war plans for Scandinavia were essentially to just send a whole load of nukes to major cities and military installations and ignore it. Where do you have this from? My literature from the era has the army believing the likely scenario would be an attack from the sea, where artillery strikes, strikes from attack helicopters and air assaults on specific targets would be followed by a mechanized naval invasion force establishing a beachhead near a sizable port. Things would be more complicated now with the use of irregulars, information warfare and cyberwarfare if Ukraine is any guide, but I think something like the above, or attacks on infrastructure is still a potential danger. I very much doubt Russia would use nuclear arms as this would no doubt pull other parties in no matter if there is an alliance or not. In any case, while Russia might not be the power it was during its soviet days, they would still roll us easily. thotsky fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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uncop posted:I don't completely understand the Nato=safety argument for Norway in particular. Norwegian geography is wildly advantageous against a Russian ground invasion. Nato doesn't protect from nukes and Nato installations are in fact what attracts them. While Nato definitely does protect from naval assaults, naval assaults are hazardous business that can be prepared against, and Russia doesn't have inexhaustible Baltic sea resources as it has ground forces. And in the case that Russia were to attack Norway through the rest of Finnoscandia, Nato would act whether you liked it or not, because Russia winning would hurt Nato's strategic position too much. Russia has cold weather too. Most estimates of how long we could hold out against Russia I've seen are measured in hours. If we had warning of the invasion, and managed to send our forces there it would still be a fighting retreat in an effort to buy our NATO allies time. There is no scenario where Norway holds off an invasion on its own, even if we are quite good at blocking and mining our mountain roads / loving with the signs or whatever. I would also be vary of a defensive pact with Sweden, you guys have kind of a lovely record when it comes to helping your neighbors out. thotsky fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Feb 28, 2017 |
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Swedens actions and lack of actions during WWII are defended by the notion that they did what was best for their country, that they could not afford to take a principled stance lest they get involved in the war. I'm not going to insist that this is cowardly and that silence implies consent, but it does make me vary of entering a defensive pact with Sweden, especially if, like TheFluff seems to say, these depend on the countries involved signaling that they mean business.
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All I know about Iceland is that a good podcast will do a live recording there and I'd go if I had the money. Also, some interesting restaurants.
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I know this thread is basically the Scandinavian trolling thread, but can you guys stop replying to this goalpost-moving troll? Whenever you guys make an actual point he just moves on to the next topic on his checklist instead of engaging with it. Do we really need to rehash all the alt-right talking points when all of us know them?
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Truck Stop Daddy posted:sorry, følte bare at jeg måtte gjøre min del av jobben for å holde scandipoltråden så fucka som den pleier å være :/// Vennligst ikke. Forstår at man har en del sinne man sitter på, men kritikken du får har noe ved seg.
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It's tough to be a leftist right now. I desperately want to get the right-wing out of power, but AP has never been shittier. SV appears to be in no position to form a coalition with AP and try to bring them back over the line so there does not appear to be any legitimate (as in, one that would have any effect) left-wing vote this election. Gonna vote Rødt.
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Noshtane posted:Let Stockholm stagnate and rot from within. When the employers are forced to to move jobs elsewhere due to lack of office space and affordable living, then politicians might feel motivated to both fix the rotten mess that is Stockholm housing and acknowledge that there is more to Sweden than the three big cities. Cities are where the people, goods and culture are. The complaints in this thread are legitimate, but there really is not much to our countries outside the major cities. What is your ideal world, one where we all live in small communes and have to drive for hours to get to the goth club / asian food import store / concert venue / good restaurant? gently caress that, I wanna be able to jump onto public transport for a few minutes if I am going to work or if I need something.
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Noshtane posted:What you will have is a large house with a garage, 20 minutes drive from the city Cars are murder.
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I think it's funny that right-wing libertarians, who are usually all for direct democracy, really hate it when women do it.
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I got a state/academia contract and it was just a single page saying "se arbeidsmiljøloven".
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A few years ago I would have said that 450k is pretty standard for a BSc, and a MSc should be able to expect 500k. However, once the latest installment of the oil crisis hit that went out the window. Education is now very devalued and if you are low on relevant work experience you should thank your lucky stars you got an offer. 450k will let you live pretty comfortably in Kristiansand.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Then rename the loving thing and also learn to drink Mack. I think I actually know one of the shareholder's kids, actually. I mean Aass is lovely beer, but if you're holding Mack up as an example of a better one, pitting what passes as "macro" in our small lovely country against "smaller more northern macro" you've lost the plot. Drammen has Haandbryggeriet which is pretty good.
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evil_bunnY posted:Hell yeah birgit, you do you. Er onani sex?
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Wild Horses posted:at the same time there certainly are cases where basically existence is pain and people fade away slowly, which sucks majorly. Hell, this is true for most people who die these days. You get some untreatable cancer or infection, you go into hospital and spend a month on pain meds, with maybe two weeks of that lucid, then one week semi-lucid while family cries over you, and during the last week you're totally out of it until they let you basically die of dehydration after they cut your water supply for the last three days. It's no way to die, and I can't believe people consider this normal. Let me say my goodbyes after the diagnosis and then give me a huge dose of muscle relaxants and morphine and let me die in peace with some dignity. thotsky fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Saw Bjørnie speak. House was packed. Four times the turnout of the other parties. His speech was good, some recycled stuff from the 1. May speech, but still a strong message. Sort of surprised by the "we're not going to take your house/apartment" thing. I always thought socialized housing and abolishing that kind of property was a big thing for Red. I guess even Bjørnie won't touch the housing bubble. Also, you'd think if he's being that pragmatic this time around he'd move a bit on the NATO question too. Maybe call for some kind of reform in addition to cancelling stupid poo poo like the F-35 purchase. Instead, they seem to be using the massive unpopularity of Trump as an opportunity to bash it. Bjørnie does not really have any answer other than "we'd rather risk being stomped than contributing to any stomping" which is admirable but not very reassuring to me in this scary world. In addition to having the support of old-school radicals and the "dirtbag left" he's reaching his hand out to more conventionally liberal social democrats with the message that a battle of values is important, but not sustainable without economic reform, and he comes off as quite convincing I think. Meanwhile Støre is trying to compete with the right in regards to tax cuts, so I doubt Red will have to worry much about Støres statement that he will never form a government with them, he won't have the chance to form any. Anyway, Moxnes has my vote. He's got principles, and is willing to fight for them on an arena that is not limited to the relative political safety of identity politics while capital runs off with all the cash and we continue the slide into a class-divided country.
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Randarkman posted:So what are the chances of Rødt actually getting into parliament this year? Seems people are always predicting it, but it never seems to happen. As far as I am concerned AP is in a similar position to Hillary and the Democrats. They poll reasonably well, but the parts of their base that actually care and don't just vote out of habit are not too happy about AP not really having much of a position on anything except that they should be in power. Their leader is not an actual left candidate, but a boringly "most competent candidate ever" who's rich as all hell and extremely mercantile with their politics. Additionally, they've recently been cozying up to the right by promising tax breaks and guarantees that they won't roll back the tax breaks given by the previous right-wing government. So, basically they're solidifying AP as a centre party, meaning the tranformation is pretty much complete and there's no longer much of a difference between them and høyre apart from a few token issues. I think that's going to bite them in the rear end, even with SPs support, as we've seen in other countries that the people are hungry for an actual leftist answer to the rise of the far right. It looks like Støre is hoping to do what Macron did, but his opposition is not as monstereus, and his base has other options.
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