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Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Prize, not price. :|

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Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Grew up outside of Uppsala. Can confirm the claims re: kebab ITT. The situation is dire.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Tinzorg (pbuh) on the US election and the western left (in Swedish)

https://tinkzorg.wordpress.com/2016/11/10/ser-du-morkret-skorpan/

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Wild Horses posted:

SD wins a lot on media working against them and every party refusing to work with them, and lo and behold the media was covering up sexual assaults done by refugees. And the Right would rather relinquish power in "the worst political maneuver in swedish history DÖ" which makes a right leaning voter much more likely to jump ship.
Everyone just handled the problem with SD so badly, they seem like a polished up outsider with some good policies for many people, and many just ignore every scandal because it's coming from media and similar. poo poo like nazi jokes doesn't matter.

The thing is, back when the mainstream media was still openly refusing to cover SD (this is back in the mid 00s, before they got big enough for the Riksdag), there were some local newspapers that went against this policy and covered them like they would any other party, and there was a noticeable rise in support for SD in these regions. Turns out trying to out-debate populist policies is as futile as ignoring them. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

eightpole posted:

Låtsas som att jag skrev något svinfiffigt/pantat här så att jänkarna tror jag är smart/dum

Quoting for excellent point

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Jerry Cotton posted:

What's the Swedish equivalent of the SOUMI LEIONA RIIPUS so you can tell i bastun when your colleague has gone 100% nazi?



e: Forgot the n, sorry.

I can't think of a classic Swedish nationalist icon, but Thor's hammer is always a giveaway. I assume it sees use in all Nordic countries.



edit: mind you, I've known people who wear it without being overtly racist and were just hillbillies who like Manowar.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Top notch politics chat ITT

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
We survived pages upon pages of tedious pizza chat. I swear to god if you start posting about loving tacos...

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Cardiac posted:

Well, with a record breaking numbers of murders in Malmö which have overloaded the police leading them to deprioritize investigating burglaries, thefts, assault and so forth one might think they have some basis for the idea that Sweden is on the wrong track. Oh, and the people in Malmö having to push by drug dealers in order to pick up their kids at day care. That is surely the workings of a functioning state.
http://www.sydsvenskan.se/2016-12-04/polisordern-lagg-undan-vardagsbrott

That drug dealer story makes me roll me eyes every time it turns up. The pushers have been hanging around there since forever but it has never inconvenienced anyone beyond this one incident where apparently someone pissed off someone else. I'm not condoning drug dealing but there is no reason to paint the dealers as some sort of terrible menace, and it definitely isn't some glaring symptom of a failing society.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Wild Horses posted:

Yeah dude that is Totally Normal to have children being exposed to career criminals at a young age.
Jeez call me conservative or whatever lmao

The kids are not being hassled by dangerous thugs. For years it's been a couple of guys who stand around on the street not bothering anyone.
Glad we got an unironic "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" though.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
The muslim armageddon is a lot like the socalist revolution: happening any day now

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Malmö is an ugly city* full of cool people and a really nice sense of community. It's a bizarro-world version of Stockholm, basically.

*Not terrible in any way, just very plain and full of 3 story brick buildings on a big flat plain.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Cardiac posted:

Also, interesting to see that the thread condones open drug dealing as long as they don't bother anyone.

No one is saying that.

Cardiac posted:

Malmö is a large Potemkin kuliss at this stage.

Lmao ok

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Oh poo poo, Stockholm's gonna slide into the sea!?

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Turning Torso, or as it is known these days, Tenpenny Tower.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Tink's been getting the occasional opinion piece published in Aftonbladet and SVT in the past few years.

I agree with most of his stuff.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

TheFluff posted:

Don't remember Kawa's nick

Kauka

Beeswax fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Dec 8, 2016

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
I mean they were both LF leftists and Irony Boys and this was before the rise of identity politics, so iirc they got along just fine. I once went with Tink to watch Kawa perform standup in Uppsala (he died pretty badly but so did most of the acts). These days they're clearly on opposite sides of a bunch of issues but they're still on the left.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Foulbrood posted:

As is common with all Scandinavians, we're always harping on about the death of the welfare state.

However, now that we have Liberal Alliance in government, whose leader (Anders Samuelsen) has Ayn Rand as his favourite author, poo poo might be about to go down in the name of COMPETITIVENESS™

In Sweden we have Annie Lööf, leader of Centerpartiet (the old Farmer's league which these days has morphed into a weird business-first party with a mix of rural centrists and inner city libertarians) who idolises Thatcher and Rand. Reassuring to know that if the right-wing alliance wins back power in the next election, the party leaders will include a Randian, a Swedish neo-moralist Sarah Palin, and a woman behind the Moderate's new daring tactic of openly courting Swedish Democrat voters. Oh, and someone from the Liberals I assume.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Notable Swedish randians: Annie Lööf, Johan Norberg, Silvana Imam, [?]

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
*the opening notes of Täällä Pohjantähden Alla drifts into the room as the first Christmas drink is poured in silence*

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Cardiac posted:

Sweden have had mostly social democratic governments the last 30 years.
86-91, 94-2006, 2014-2016, all in all 19 years compared to 91-94 and 2006-2014 = 11 years for the right.
And for most of the time, V have been loyal supporters to S.

This is an actual post you made to refute claims about centre-right governments. Let that sink in.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
I remember when Berlingske ran a story on Swedish immigration, linking Fria Tider (basically Swedish Breitbart) as their source. Good times.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
I just love watching the LUF and CUF (i.e. the liberal party and centre party's youth wings, for any international viewers) making GBS threads on M/MUF on twitter.

https://twitter.com/LUFswe/status/822017258683822080

https://twitter.com/LUFswe/status/822044922413019136

Beeswax fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Jan 19, 2017

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
L (formerly FP) tend to lean more towards standard social-liberalism and centre-right politics. C has a loud fringe contingent of inner city libertarian morons ("Stureplanscentern" as they were referred to a few years ago) but try to balance that with the more traditional agrarian wing in the country side who dislike taxes, like small businesses etc. but are less keen on free drug use and (presumably) the end of the welfare state/rise of the randian train-powered economy of tomorrow.

M used to be the mainstream conservative choice, then swung left to try to pick up S-voting middle class people and are now seeming to swing back right in order to pick up SD voters instead.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Collateral Damage posted:

The funniest thing is that C was traditionally the rural party, but has recently been the party putting forward the best ideas for expanding Stockholm. (Expanding the city core and building proper enclosed blocks with mixed commercial/residential instead of farting out a few residential monoliths here or there)

Less good C idea for growing Stockholm: letting the free market determine rent levels

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Despite often being painted as some sort of omnipotent manipulative cabal which controlled Sweden for most of the 20th century, Socialdemokraterna are complete bumbling idiots in most regards when it comes to playing the media and seizing any sort of narrative initiative.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Retarded Goatee posted:

Yeah sure, might be applicable in this specific case but if you believe that all rapists are convinced they're not doing anything wrong, you're a god drat moron.

Sure is a good thing he hasn't said anything of the sort, nor has anyone else ITT.


edit:

McCloud posted:

But I find it fascinating that you apparently think ignorance of the law means they should get less jail time. "Oh sorry officer, I didn't know drugging someone then raping them was a crime" is, in your view, a legitimate excuse apparently. Defending rapists is now "informed analysis"! Next up on Cerebral Bore's informed analysis: Why women who dress slutty have it coming!

Seriously, gently caress off.

How bad at reading do you have to be to reach this conclusion? What the gently caress?

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

McCloud posted:

Stop defending this poo poo

drat, the Rape Defenders ITT got owned

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Karpaw posted:

See, there's a bit of an elephant in the room here. It has four wives, some weird notions about rape and trying to correct those would push some uncomfortable buttons among people who pretend to be concerned about the elephant.


Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Well you say that but


Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
A few months ago there were rumours (probably fuelled by Nyheter Idag/Chang Frick, #1 poo poo stirrer EU) that Kent Ekeroth was one of the big obstacles that kept M from approaching SD was Kent Ekeroth. His potential removal from the scene now sure is serendipitous for both parties.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
I don't even know where you got the idea that mainstream unions are supposedly against stock markets or explicitly socialist.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Ayn Rand is vindicated at last

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Speaking of extrapolation, no one has commented on the long-term effects, the next election or what L or C will do next though? Who are you even responding to?

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Cardiac posted:

So better than Lövven and Juholt then?

Cardiac posted:

I had more confidence in Persson than I have had for Lövven so far.

Cardiac posted:

Lövvens figures are pretty depressing as well if I recall correctly.

*Löfven

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Agreed 100%

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Wild Horses posted:

this is both naive and pretty cold

war tourists and jihadists should be put on trial if only because the alternative is shrugging in the face of war crimes,
like sexual slavery and murder.

'oh suddenly isis is losing against the kurds, wasn't that fun anyway let me come back sweden'
lmao let's help them out

Who/what fictional argument is this even replying to?

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Stockholm Syndrome posted:

Seriously, you're talking about purchasing power when swedes are being slaughtered and raped on a daily basis.

What kind of Warhammer 40K diorama are you imagining here?

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Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
My jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnk7huxeIbo

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