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Echo Chamber posted:Show's cancelled. Dang, there was a lot I liked about it. I will miss you, awesome kung fu scenes.
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I'm not surprised. I enjoyed S1 enough, but promptly forgot S2 after I was done with it. And my sister who loved S1 didn't mention S2 after release. I can easily see it being way more expensive than it was worth.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:05
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Well, gently caress. Not surprised either, but I had hoped Netflix would squeeze one more season out before canning it. Liked this show a lot.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:25
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I think I would've enjoyed S2 more if more of it was like the first episode: Marco and Mei Lin, non-Mongol special agents for the Mongols.
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Dec 13, 2016 05:31
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I binged the first season but rapidly lost interest during the second and never finished it. How well does the last episode of s2 now stand up as the overall end?
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Dec 13, 2016 08:46
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Pablo Bluth posted:I binged the first season but rapidly lost interest during the second and never finished it. How well does the last episode of s2 now stand up as the overall end? Very badly, they were expecting a S3. No real conclusion. Lycus fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Dec 13, 2016 11:06
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Is there any talk of like a finishing movie or something? Probably a lot of investments in sets and crap that is a sunk cost at this point that might make it worthwhile.
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Dec 13, 2016 11:08
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Is this the first time Netflix has cancelled a Netflix Original show that was clearly intended to continue?
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Dec 13, 2016 13:45
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counterfeitsaint posted:Is this the first time Netflix has cancelled a Netflix Original show that was clearly intended to continue? Unless we count Arrested Development I think so.
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Dec 13, 2016 16:11
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Sad it ends on cliffhanger even if I know the history of the Mongols and what happens. I found season 2 be a let down so I'm not that surprised it got cancelled.
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Dec 13, 2016 16:18
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I liked season 1 more and I thought Kublai was too sidelined in season 2, but I liked the fake Blue Princess going insane storyline and loved the ahistorical silliness of Mongols fighting Christian Crusaders. I was really curious how they'd handle Prester John, so yeah... its probable cancellation now is nonetheless a disappointment.
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Dec 13, 2016 17:13
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drat, this show getting cancelled is such a bummer. There really isn't anything else like this show on right now, and even when they had elements that might sound cheesy on paper, they somehow made em work most of the time. This show just made for such an enjoyable and addictive blend of intrigue, big battle & kung fu action, great characters I was totally invested in, and a unique historical setting. Too bad it had to go, I think it just suffered bad timing and luck with it's release and initial promotional campaign, and a lot of people just wrote it off as a low quality Game of Thrones type wannabe without ever giving it a chance.
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Dec 13, 2016 17:57
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200m loss, wow. Was looking forward to the part of Marco Polo's life where he ineffectively mounted a trebechet on a boat and was sidelined into historical insignificance. Oh wait...
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Dec 13, 2016 19:30
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savinhill posted:drat, this show getting cancelled is such a bummer. There really isn't anything else like this show on right now, and even when they had elements that might sound cheesy on paper, they somehow made em work most of the time. This show just made for such an enjoyable and addictive blend of intrigue, big battle & kung fu action, great characters I was totally invested in, and a unique historical setting. Too bad it had to go, I think it just suffered bad timing and luck with it's release and initial promotional campaign, and a lot of people just wrote it off as a low quality Game of Thrones type wannabe without ever giving it a chance. Black Sails? 
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Dec 13, 2016 19:40
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It's telling that almost nobody is surprised. I'm not. But I'll miss this show...it had some great elements amidst the kind of lovely ones. Hot take: this show looks better - in terms of cinematography, set, costume, etc. - than anything else in its category, including Game of Thrones. This was a really beautiful show.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:50
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Maybe I can buy Ahmad's cool clothes at a thrift shop.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:58
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Xealot posted:It's telling that almost nobody is surprised. I'm not. But I'll miss this show...it had some great elements amidst the kind of lovely ones. If there's anything I'll miss about this show it's the opening. The mixing of audio and visual really brought forward that this was a show ultimately dealing with the decline of something great.
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Dec 13, 2016 19:59
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MiddleOne posted:If there's anything I'll miss about this show it's the opening. The mixing of audio and visual really brought forward that this was a show ultimately dealing with the decline of something great. Art of the Title ran an interview with the creative team that made the credits, and it's super fascinating. They discuss some of the initial ideas that led them to the final product, and I'm glad it went where it did: http://www.artofthetitle.com/title/marco-polo/ It sucks we'll never see this show address the Mongol invasion of Japan. I'd love to see what they did with it.
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Dec 13, 2016 20:12
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I was surprised how similar Netflix's "The Crown" opening titles looked compared to Marco Polo.
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Dec 13, 2016 21:39
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Echo Chamber posted:I was surprised how similar Netflix's "The Crown" opening titles looked compared to Marco Polo. All of their openings are clearly made by the same creative team/company. Even the marvel shows openings are very similiar to everything else. They're all pretty good but in my opinion Jessica Jones and Marco Polo stand out. Honorable mention to How To Make a Murderer.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:01
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Echo Chamber posted:I was surprised how similar Netflix's "The Crown" opening titles looked compared to Marco Polo. I just looked it up and you're totally right. The first half of the credits that the same visual style.
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Dec 13, 2016 22:08
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I'm struggling to remember how s2 even ended now. It was definitely a step down from s1. I wonder how Netflix calculates a 200m dollar loss though
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Dec 13, 2016 23:48
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counterfeitsaint posted:I'm struggling to remember how s2 even ended now. It was definitely a step down from s1. I wonder how Netflix calculates a 200m dollar loss though Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Dec 13, 2016 23:54
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Good point. How does Netflix determine how successful one of their original shows is? No doubt they track how many views it had, but that can't be all. Can they measure how many new subscriptions a show generated or how about how many many subscriptions weren't cancelled?
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Dec 14, 2016 00:22
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Hazborgufen posted:Good point. How does Netflix determine how successful one of their original shows is? No doubt they track how many views it had, but that can't be all. Can they measure how many new subscriptions a show generated or how about how many many subscriptions weren't cancelled? That's what I was getting at. I know it was supposed to be the most expensive show ever/more expensive than GoT, but how does Netflix measure success? I've heard from Nielsen folks that Netflix has super amazing analytics but they keep it all internal and don't tell anyone about anything.
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Dec 14, 2016 01:46
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Given they keep a record of what every subscriber has ever watched, there's presumably no end of metrics they look at. A key one is probably to look at what shows trialists and new subscribers are watching. Likewise for low or sporadic-activity subscribers (ie. people at increased risk of cancelling). How quickly people binge a series. The percentage of people that start to watch a series but give up. The percentage of accounts that rewatch a series. Viewing figures broken down by demographics to see if it's valuable for a certain group even it doesn't have broad appeal. Stats on what people search for. Stats on what people are adding to their list. Stats on what people are removing from their list. What people watched just before they cancelled.
Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Dec 14, 2016 02:08
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Xealot posted:It sucks we'll never see this show address the Mongol invasion of Japan. I'd love to see what they did with it. Oh that would be a perfect story for a concluding movie. drat.
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Dec 14, 2016 02:26
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I don't think there would be time for that in a movie, they tied their hands with Prester John disappearing all the main characters.
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Dec 14, 2016 02:29
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Heh, you make the years go by fast with exposition in this sort of scenario. The idea is to go out with a bang, not perfectly wrap everything up.
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Dec 14, 2016 05:28
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never understood how the last kingdom being such a garbage mess of a show in comparison to marco polo yet got better reviews gonna chalk it up to affinity bias for the subject matter
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What? The Last Kingdom has a better lead, a more interesting story and it's execution is actually not a terrible slog for 90% of the season. I mean Marco Polo takes itself more seriously but that's not really something I'd say is in its favor where I to contrast the two.
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Dec 16, 2016 11:05
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The rest of the cast makes up for soggy Marco. Also, Tom Wu, so cram it.
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The Last Kingdom also looks like it's about a million times cheaper to make, since its landscapes can be found basically anywhere with a temperate climate and they use all of one town square for a built up set
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Dec 16, 2016 11:29
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That's called being smart with your money. If Marco Polo had been imitating Spartacus more and Game of Thrones less I think we would have gotten a vastly better show. As it stands, Marco Polo is worse than The Last Kingdom, Outlander and Black Sails despite having a production budget that eclipses each of them individually. Just like Game of Thrones it wasted too much time and money due to its massive budget on things that aren't important to making good television. Marco Polo has neat visuals and stunning set-dressing but the pacing, plot, character motivations and writing are all over the place and both season 1 and 2 dragged because of this. Benedict Wong's performance is the only thing they really got right and it's wasted because for some reason Marco Polo himself has to be the focal point of everything.
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Dec 16, 2016 12:02
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I'd be perfectly happy with a 100 eyes spinoff show
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:I'd be perfectly happy with a 100 eyes spinoff show Ew, no. I'd want a spin off about Prostitute-Ninja-Assassin and her struggles as a single mom trying to put it all together. Can she balance getting her kid into a good school and assassinating historical figures? Find out in the next exciting episode of Xie Can Do It!
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Dec 16, 2016 17:50
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Just a show about the guy who cleans that room the evil plan painting was in.
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Dec 16, 2016 20:05
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Digital Jedi posted:Sad it ends on cliffhanger even if I know the history of the Mongols and what happens. prester john didn't exist and he was gonna be the main antagonist of s3.
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Dec 16, 2016 20:14
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Groovelord Neato posted:prester john didn't exist and he was gonna be the main antagonist of s3.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Just a show about the guy who cleans that room the evil plan painting was in.
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