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How do you square "communism killed lots of people so capitalism is better " with "capitalism kills hundreds of thousands each year from starvation while keeping half the world in indentured servitude to the other half"
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Jul 28, 2016 22:14
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Fiction posted:How do you square "communism killed lots of people so capitalism is better " with "capitalism kills hundreds of thousands each year from starvation while keeping half the world in indentured servitude to the other half" what about people who died of starvation and were under indenture servitude under Communism (aka everybody who lived in the prc/ussr before the 90s) do we blame those on capitalism as well?
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Jul 28, 2016 22:15
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Capitalism keeps me free! 
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Jul 28, 2016 22:15
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Typo posted:what about people who died of starvation and were under indenture servitude under Communism (aka everybody who lived in the prc/ussr before the 90s) it's an irrelevant measurement you're already saying people die in both systems
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Jul 28, 2016 22:17
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I don't know how people make the logical leap from workers no longer have the value of their labor stolen right to genocide
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Jul 28, 2016 22:19
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Typo posted:what about people who died of starvation and were under indenture servitude under Communism (aka everybody who lived in the prc/ussr before the 90s) so now you're saying every single person in socialist states is an indentured servant? and i'm the crazy one? you might as well say every non-capitalist in the us is an indentured servant hmmm well now that i think about it
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Jul 28, 2016 22:20
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Fiction posted:I don't know how people make the logical leap from workers no longer have the value of their labor stolen right to genocide probably because communism doesn't live up to the promises of its abstract theories
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Jul 28, 2016 22:20
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*blows weed smoke* it's like why even have governments at all, maaaaaan. we're all *waves hands around* slaaaaaaaves
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Jul 28, 2016 22:21
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Homework Explainer posted:so now you're saying every single person in socialist states is an indentured servant? and i'm the crazy one? you might as well say every non-capitalist in the us is an indentured servant You are free to leave the USA in search of glorious socialist paradise on earth if you so desire, a right which indentured servants did not have You weren't free to leave USSR or Maoist prc plenty of people tried to get the gently caress out of the east bloc not many people tried to get in, and the ones who did had a tendency of getting jailed/shot
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Jul 28, 2016 22:21
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Typo posted:probably because communism doesn't live up to the promises of its abstract theories But capitalism does?
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Jul 28, 2016 22:22
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Homework Explainer posted:*blows weed smoke* it's like why even have governments at all, maaaaaan. we're all *waves hands around* slaaaaaaaves 
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Jul 28, 2016 22:23
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*a bad thing happens in a socialist country* wow. guess this proves once and for all the bankruptcy of the entire marxist project. enjoy the dustbin, fuckers *bad things constantly happen under capitalism, for centuries, unceasing, a whirling maelstrom of despair and deprivation* we can reform this
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Jul 28, 2016 22:23
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Capitalism and the free market are handling the global climate crisis just swimmingly thank you very much *sea levels rise three more inches*
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Jul 28, 2016 22:24
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Wanna have some food for thought? You are/were probably more free to start your own Commune in the USA than in the prc or the ussr
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Jul 28, 2016 22:24
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I don't want some gay commune I want to sieze the means of production and abolish private property.
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Jul 28, 2016 22:26
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Typo posted:You are free to leave the USA in search of glorious socialist paradise on earth if you so desire, a right which indentured servants did not have the right to travel abroad or become an expat is, outside of extraordinary times like the second world war, limited to the wealthy. a vast majority of americans can only afford to travel within the country. in a shocking twist, travel within the ussr for vacationing or culture was both encouraged and heavily subsidized for residents. plus the work week was shorter. plus vacation time was guaranteed by the state.
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Jul 28, 2016 22:26
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Fiction posted:Capitalism and the free market are handling the global climate crisis just swimmingly thank you very much *sea levels rise three more inches* lol the soviet union literally drained the largest inland sea on earth dry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea) to farm cotton and made a huge tract of Ukraine unlivably radioactive cuz their nuclear plant was lovely and it blew up what great socialist environmental record also if you wanna know something interesting remember back in the 90s how everyone was going about how the ozone layer was going to be depleted, that actually got fixed cuz the Un got its poo poo together: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...s-recovery.html
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Jul 28, 2016 22:27
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and america's dick is bigger than the ussr's dick
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Jul 28, 2016 22:27
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Homework Explainer posted:the right to travel abroad or become an expat is, outside of extraordinary times like the second world war, limited to the wealthy. a vast majority of americans can only afford to travel within the country. it's prob easier and less risky to get $500-$1000 for a plane ticket than it is to have border guards shooting at you on ur way out tbh
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Jul 28, 2016 22:28
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Typo posted:it's prob easier and less risky to get $500-$1000 than it is to have border guards shooting at you on ur way out tbh $500 otherwise known as enough money to travel to a new country and start a new life
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Jul 28, 2016 22:29
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Typo posted:lol the soviet union literally drained the largest inland sea on earth dry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea) to farm cotton and made a huge tract of Ukraine unlivably radioactive cuz their nuclear plant was lovely and it blew up what great socialist environmental record So because Stalin was a narcissistic power monger who irresponsibly used natural resources for his pleasure projects, only capitalism can prevent the very crisis it's currently doing a catastrophically lovely job at preventing?
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Jul 28, 2016 22:32
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Karl Barks posted:$500 otherwise known as enough money to travel to a new country and start a new life plenty of immigrants made it into america from socailist paradises like cuba or vietnam with way less than $500 how many Americans had to flee past coast guards into Cuba again?
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Jul 28, 2016 22:33
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Fiction posted:So because Stalin was a narcissistic power monger who irresponsibly used natural resources for his pleasure projects, only capitalism can prevent the very crisis it's currently doing a catastrophically lovely job at preventing? errrrr, those events I'm naming occured decades after Stalin's death
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Jul 28, 2016 22:34
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Typo posted:errrrr, those events I'm naming occured decades after Stalin's death holodomor was in the early 30s what
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Jul 28, 2016 22:35
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it's pretty funny that soviet propaganda about what the capitalists would do to the ussr if communism fell were pretty much correct
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Jul 28, 2016 22:36
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Karl Barks posted:holodomor was in the early 30s what Aral sea and Chernobyl were both 70s-1980s
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Jul 28, 2016 22:36
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the dude is all over the place, he's sticking and moving but with posting somehow
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Jul 28, 2016 22:37
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Homework Explainer posted:the dude is all over the place unlike communism 
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Jul 28, 2016 22:38
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Typo posted:unlike communism uhhh no. name a country and it's probably got an active communist party, a marxist movement of national liberation or socialist government. there's a reason the ideology continues to persist across the globe even after the collapse of the soviet union, most of the posters on this forum just happen to live in places where it's been most effectively suppressed
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Jul 28, 2016 22:41
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I look forward to the actual socialism thread which will be tankies vs libertarians in an immortal struggle
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Jul 28, 2016 22:43
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https://twitter.com/ledrapeaurouge/status/758454702967181313
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Jul 28, 2016 22:44
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Karl Barks posted:I look forward to the actual socialism thread which will be tankies vs libertarians in an immortal struggle If they know what's good for them they'll work together to organize instead of squabbling over specifics of ideology which may or may not even apply to the present day
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Jul 28, 2016 22:48
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Homework Explainer posted:uhhh no. name a country and it's probably got an active communist party, a marxist movement of national liberation or socialist government. there's a reason the ideology continues to persist across the globe even after the collapse of the soviet union, most of the posters on this forum just happen to live in places where it's been most effectively suppressed "i'm not owned, i'm not owned" i cry as i slowly shrink into an obscure fringe ideology
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Jul 28, 2016 22:50
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Constant Hamprince posted:"i'm not owned, i'm not owned" i cry as i slowly shrink into an obscure fringe ideology if things continue on their present course, you liberals will be joining us in the ash heap of history sooner rather than later
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Jul 28, 2016 22:53
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as long as evil lurks in the hearts of men, liberalism will thrive
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Jul 28, 2016 22:54
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Constant Hamprince posted:"i'm not owned, i'm not owned" i cry as i slowly shrink into an obscure fringe ideology you could try talking to a person in another country now and again
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Jul 28, 2016 22:54
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HHolodomor is nazi propaganda, Marxism-Leninism is a science,
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Jul 28, 2016 22:55
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G.C. Furr III posted:HHolodomor is nazi propaganda, Marxism-Leninism is a science,
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Jul 28, 2016 22:56
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The Kingfish posted:I don't want some gay commune I want to sieze the means of production and abolish private property. 
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Jul 28, 2016 22:56
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https://news.usni.org/2016/07/28/navy-name-ship-gay-rights-activist-harvey-milk One war, war war. Actually, we should be aiming to make the war apparatus as diverse and representative as possible. We used to kill browns with a patriarchal military. Soon it will be a diverse, genderfluid, transracial military. It used to be that our leaders had to be white to establish and expand mass surveillance practices and wars. Now we have elected people of color and will soon elect a woman to do it. So proud! We have achieved the end of history people. The preferred pronoun for a drone is Xer, btw.
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