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kikkelivelho posted:The discussion ITT has been far better than what I usually see on the net. A couple of posters have even provided evidence when defending GMOs. I don't think it's fair to judge them or imply you want them dead just because they support practices that could in some cases be considered dangerous and immoral. lmbo is this real life
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Labeling GMO food will make people think it's bad when it is demonstrably safe. It's a stupid idea that gets pushed by the anti GMO crowd because they know it will hurt sales on products that get the label
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Jul 3, 2016 16:49
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Also kikkelivelho is either a huge retard or can't read English good because he keeps responding to posts like "here's a mountain of research about the safety of genetically modified food" with stuff like "interesting, also sometimes GMO food is dangerous"
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Jul 3, 2016 16:51
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Aralan posted:Labeling GMO food will make people think it's bad when it is demonstrably safe. It's a stupid idea that gets pushed by the anti GMO crowd because they know it will hurt sales on products that get the label Products have all kinds of labels that even state the amount of calories and proteins they contain even when those thing are completely safe. What kind of an argument is this? We also label the country of origin even when that doesn't really affect the safety of the product. And how do the corporations that create these products not known if genetic modification are involved? They are literally the ones making them.
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Jul 3, 2016 16:52
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kikkelivelho posted:And how do the corporations that create these products not known if genetic modification are involved? They are literally the ones making them. Because almost everything you eat has been genetically modified in some way
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Jul 3, 2016 16:55
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kikkelivelho posted:Products have all kinds of labels that even state the amount of calories and proteins they contain even when those thing are completely safe. What kind of an argument is this? We also label the country of origin even when that doesn't really affect the safety of the product. yeah but we don't give the full genetic sequences on these dietary labels or the full protein composition i know its hard for you but can you imagine that in capitalism, sometimes its not just the consumers who buy stuff, its also producers of things, who use the things they buy to make other things. and this principle forms huge complex trade networks
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Jul 3, 2016 16:58
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kikkelivelho posted:Products have all kinds of labels that even state the amount of calories and proteins they contain even when those thing are completely safe. What kind of an argument is this? We also label the country of origin even when that doesn't really affect the safety of the product. Nutrition labels are ubiquitous and contain useful information with regards to, get this, the nutrition content of the food you're purchasing. A label like "Contains genetically modified soybean" tells you nothing important but prejudices uniformed idiots against the product bearing the label. You may as well argue that organic foods should be labeled with "grown in cow poo poo" it's just as true and useful
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Jul 3, 2016 17:01
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Applewhite posted:We don't need to ween ourselves off agriculture, we just need to do it smarter. There's a lot of cool plans for multi-level farms that grow ten times as much as a normal farm for the same footprint. this will never happen because farmers grow plants in loving dirt and the finances necessary to build something like that are likely beyond the scope of what some dude in Iowa is capable of building that means someone has to bite the bullet and why pay millions for a low blueprint experimental greenhouse when there's hundreds of acres of farmland in some dudes farm and he's willing to work almost for free
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Jul 3, 2016 17:03
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I'd be in favour of GMO labelling if they pulled a huge troll job and labelled their products as "sustainably farmed" or "sustainably grown".
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Jul 3, 2016 17:37
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i don't buy that GMOs are completely safe just because science said so. monsanto has a fuckton of money to bribe scientists to skew research in their favor. also bill nye was against GMO food before he was for it, probably due to bribe money on the other hand, everything causes cancer these days, so what's one more lovely thing to put into your body?
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Jul 3, 2016 18:58
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Y-Hat posted:i don't buy that GMOs are completely safe just because science said so. monsanto has a fuckton of money to bribe scientists to skew research in their favor. also bill nye was against GMO food before he was for it, probably due to bribe money didn't your parents teach you to think before you say
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Jul 3, 2016 19:00
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Im gonna slice up this square watermelon that fits nicely in my fridge, cook this meat that has been "aged" for God knows how long so it tastes and feels as I expect it to and enjoy these non-poisonous fried potato slices along with a medley of (locally) out of season vegetables that were delivered to my market still fresh just yesterday. Then I'm going to wash it all down with a glass of concentrated corn syrup. Living in the space-future is the loving tits.
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Jul 3, 2016 19:13
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Y-Hat posted:i don't buy that GMOs are completely safe just because science said so. monsanto has a fuckton of money to bribe scientists to skew research in their favor. also bill nye was against GMO food before he was for it, probably due to bribe money too bad for you that scientists who aren't on monsantos payroll also say gmos are completely safe also whole foods of all places now has more money than monsanto and also has been caught selling way more types of unsafe food, so if you want to go "grrrr big corporations  " you should consider them even worse
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Jul 3, 2016 19:23
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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also if we're at the point where "tons on independent scientists agree on [thing], but I believe they all got bribed by [bad guys] without any evidence  " is not considered a stupid opinion for idiots, we're hosed as a society. enjoy your slow backslide into being medieval farmers i guess.
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Jul 3, 2016 19:28
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blowfish posted:also if we're at the point where "tons on independent scientists agree on [thing], but I believe they all got bribed by [bad guys] Ok maybe but I still think I have the right to know what I'm eating even if the information isn't necessarily relevant. Packages have a ton of empty space that could be filled with product information. I'm tired of eating something I think is fine and getting loving stomach pains a few hours later
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Jul 3, 2016 19:30
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I know GBS has a really potent hard on for anti liberal posting but where the gently caress do you guys get that only lefties are scared of gmos?
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Jul 3, 2016 19:31
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plain blue jacket posted:I know GBS has a really potent hard on for anti liberal posting but where the gently caress do you guys get that only lefties are scared of gmos? you care enough about "the left" to make posts disowning parts of it that you don't like, lol
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Jul 3, 2016 19:35
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kikkelivelho posted:Ok maybe but I still think I have the right to know what I'm eating even if the information isn't necessarily relevant. Packages have a ton of empty space that could be filled with product information. I'm tired of eating something I think is fine and getting loving stomach pains a few hours later lol so youre a hypochondriac as well cool
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Jul 3, 2016 19:40
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kikkelivelho posted:Ok maybe but I still think I have the right to know what I'm eating even if the information isn't necessarily relevant. Packages have a ton of empty space that could be filled with product information. I'm tired of eating something I think is fine and getting loving stomach pains a few hours later you're getting stomachaches because your genes are a piece of poo poo it's also why your brain doesn't work right
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Jul 3, 2016 19:42
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Jul 3, 2016 19:44
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It really seems like a lefty view (since general hippy-dippie, holistic food concerns tend to be associated with them), but GMO paranoia actually hasn't much in the way of partisan bias, according to surveys. E.g., here, here.
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Jul 3, 2016 19:45
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Harvest and eat killer bees (hybrid of African honey bee and Western honey bee) and tell me that GMOs are good for you.
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Jul 3, 2016 19:54
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Turns out 57% of U.S. Adults are loving idiots and that's why GMO labeling is stupid
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Jul 3, 2016 19:54
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Aralan posted:Turns out 57% of U.S. Adults are loving idiots and that's why GMO labeling is stupid
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Jul 3, 2016 20:00
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ArbitraryC posted:I feel like I can't be the only leftist that puts people who are against modern agriculture advances on the same level as anti-vaxxers but it seems like it seems like it has much more traction among progressive so I dunno maybe I'm just not as well read on the issue. Nah I'm right there with you.
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Jul 3, 2016 20:04
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ooooh eating genetically modified food is going to gently caress up my DNA and make me sick because it is franken food. this is how I, the average fuckbrained american, think genetics and mutation works
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Jul 3, 2016 20:06
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I imagine the numbers are even higher for Europe where GMO skepticism is by far the norm. It seems the healthiness of GMO foods is far less obvious than people in this thread would like to pretend.
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Jul 3, 2016 20:07
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kikkelivelho posted:Ok maybe but I still think I have the right to know what I'm eating even if the information isn't necessarily relevant. Packages have a ton of empty space that could be filled with product information. I'm tired of eating something I think is fine and getting loving stomach pains a few hours later Yeah but if you get the shits that's because you ended up eating some low-quality bullshit or something with allergens relevant to you. GMOs are not allergens (unless you specifically put something that causes allergic reactions in some people into them), and major allergens already have to appear on labels. Maybe you should get tested for lactose intolerance or for being a coeliac or do a general allergy test?
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Jul 3, 2016 20:08
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Should we mandate that calorie and nutrional information be written simply so that I don't have to do fractions in my head in the aisle when I decide if 5 3/4ths servings at X calories per serving would be too much for me? Nah haha gently caress THAT im worried about becoming an x man
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Jul 3, 2016 20:08
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Lol forever at gmo food giving you a stomachache. Agh, these genes are so hard to digest!
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kikkelivelho posted:I imagine the numbers are even higher for Europe where GMO skepticism is by far the norm. It seems the healthiness of GMO foods is far less obvious than people in this thread would like to pretend. "People are scared of it" is not evidence. It's something new, people instinctively are scared of weird food, but that means we have to teach people it's not actually worth getting worked up over.
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Jul 3, 2016 20:09
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seriously this anti gmo poo poo is the worst kind of faux leftist bourgie bullshit, BILLIONS of people worldwide have been saved from starvation because of GMOs but you want to make it harder for GMOs because of some made up fake science poo poo you get hysterical about 'you' here is meant in the general sense ofc
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Jul 3, 2016 20:10
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Moridin920 posted:seriously this anti gmo poo poo is the worst kind of faux leftist bourgie bullshit, BILLIONS of people worldwide have been saved from starvation because of GMOs but you want to make it harder for GMOs because of some made up fake science poo poo you get hysterical about If this bullshit just stayed in overly wealthy ageing societies it wouldn't be quite as bad, but the European politicians and NGOs are actively lobbying for African nations to adopt similarly retarded types of GM regulation.
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Jul 3, 2016 20:11
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kikkelivelho posted:I imagine the numbers are even higher for Europe where GMO skepticism is by far the norm. It seems the healthiness of GMO foods is far less obvious than people in this thread would like to pretend. You are actually currently proud of holding the same opinion, regarding a scientific matter as the majority of Americans 
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AugmentedVision posted:You are actually currently proud of holding the same opinion, regarding a scientific matter as the majority of Americans Evolution is a lie.
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Jul 3, 2016 20:13
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kikkelivelho posted:I imagine the numbers are even higher for Europe where GMO skepticism is by far the norm. It seems the healthiness of GMO foods is far less obvious than people in this thread would like to pretend. ok youve tipped your hand
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blowfish posted:If this bullshit just stayed in overly wealthy ageing societies it wouldn't be quite as bad, but the European politicians and NGOs are actively lobbying for African nations to adopt similarly retarded types of GM regulation. just like anti-vaxxers convince African nations not to take vaccine shipments because 'whitey is poisoning you with autism' and then poo poo tons of people die of preventable diseases i hate those kind of leftists more than your standard idiot conservative. at least the latter is honest about 'gently caress you got mine,' the former is killing you in the name of helping you to be more like them.
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Jul 3, 2016 20:14
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kikkelivelho posted:Ok maybe but I still think I have the right to know what I'm eating even if the information isn't necessarily relevant. Packages have a ton of empty space that could be filled with product information. I'm tired of eating something I think is fine and getting loving stomach pains a few hours later i think we have conclusive evidence from your posts in this thread that you are in fact an idiot, but not even a funny one i would launch into marketing 101 regarding your dumb point about empty space on packets but its hard to deliver useful information to someone who has a literal straight hole connecting his ear canals
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Jul 3, 2016 20:18
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Moridin920 posted:just like anti-vaxxers convince African nations not to take vaccine shipments because 'whitey is poisoning you with autism' and then poo poo tons of people die of preventable diseases  , because at least you can count on FYGM types to always want what's best for themselves, while proselytising idiot activists are irrational ideologues who can't be reasoned with even at that basic level.
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Lichy posted:i think we have conclusive evidence from your posts in this thread that you are in fact an idiot, but not even a funny one Everything should come in a plain white box with the product name, a nutrition label, and then a whole poo poo load of labels describing everything that is in it, isn't in it, and may be in it, actually
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