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8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!



Grimey Drawer

VOY S3 e16 Blood Fever

Tom recognized that B'Elanna can't meaningfully consent in the situation and rejects her advances.
Tuvok basically orders him to bone down. It's a medically necessary boning.

Also, the doctor's porn wasn't strong enough to overcome Ponn Farr.

This is fanfic. Someone replaced the script with fanfic and noone noticed/cared because it's voyager.

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Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Just watched TNG "Homeward" and wow, yeah, that's one of the worst ever Prime Directive episodes. I think at the end you're supposed to more or less side with the guy who violated the PD, but the way Picard describes it still makes it seem awful. "Sworn duty to the Prime Directive" doesn't even make sense conceptually. It's a guideline for how to interact with aliens, not a sacred text. What's to be gained from not messing with their culture when the only alternative is they all die? Screw it, "y'all got abducted" is now part of your culture, deal with it.

Now to wash that taste out of my mouth with "Sub Rosa"...

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I forget, do they even have enough individuals to survive as a species after that relocation? That group never seemed very big.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003





Wallpaper?



MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jun 28, 2020

Angry Salami
Jul 27, 2013

Don't trust the skull.


8one6 posted:

VOY S3 e16 Blood Fever

Tom recognized that B'Elanna can't meaningfully consent in the situation and rejects her advances.
Tuvok basically orders him to bone down. It's a medically necessary boning.

Also, the doctor's porn wasn't strong enough to overcome Ponn Farr.

This is fanfic. Someone replaced the script with fanfic and noone noticed/cared because it's voyager.

Hey, Star Trek invented 'gently caress or die' and 'sex pollen'; fanfic stole it all from us!

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009





FlamingLiberal posted:

I forget, do they even have enough individuals to survive as a species after that relocation? That group never seemed very big.

A cursory Googling says that 160 humans would be needed for the species to survive an apocalypse, and, iirc, there were no more than about 20-30 of those people, so no.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Then just bring them back to Earth and let them have future sex as Rod intended

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!



Grimey Drawer

VOY S3 e20 Favorite Son

"I was thinking..."
"Yeah, about what?"
"What if, like, a virus changes Harry's DNA?"
"Ok, not bad. Alien transformations are a staple of the franchise. I'm sure Garrett will have fun with it. What kind of changes are you thinking?"
"The alien DNA gives him a harem."
"... Excuse me?"
"Yeah, like suddenly he's irresistible to the species he turned into. Just throwing themselves at him."
"So... What exactly would the conflict be?"
"I'm sorry, 'conflict'?"
"Yeah, why does Harry not just stay on the harem planet the rest of his life?"
"Ummm... Because his wives want lots of babies?"
"You know having kids and a family is a normal motivation for normal people, right?"
"... And the women are vampires... Who kill to reproduce?"
"... Sigh. Alright, we can work on it in the second draft. Start writing."

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010


College Slice

8one6 posted:

VOY S3 e20 Favorite Son

"I was thinking..."
"Yeah, about what?"
"What if, like, a virus changes Harry's DNA?"
"Ok, not bad. Alien transformations are a staple of the franchise. I'm sure Garrett will have fun with it. What kind of changes are you thinking?"
"The alien DNA gives him a harem."
"... Excuse me?"
"Yeah, like suddenly he's irresistible to the species he turned into. Just throwing themselves at him."

"Somebody call the exorcist. Undead Gene is back."

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


MikeJF posted:

Wallpaper?





Woah, neat! Where did you find these?

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde

Technowolf posted:

A cursory Googling says that 160 humans would be needed for the species to survive an apocalypse, and, iirc, there were no more than about 20-30 of those people, so no.

I think you can do it with less, it just gets... gross

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






The modern cheetah recovered from a species bottleneck that reduced their breeding pairs to as low as five, but yeah, the pairings necessary to ensure maximum genetic diversity get real

Thanks Nikolai

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

man buys avatar
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what a dumb moron



Technowolf posted:

A cursory Googling says that 160 humans would be needed for the species to survive an apocalypse, and, iirc, there were no more than about 20-30 of those people, so no.

They can interbreed with humans, which implies they can interbreed with a ton of species, so my guess is that right after the end of the episode, Worf's brother puts out a subspace signal requesting that the Klingons or Cardassians, or non-Federation humans, or anyone else who doesn't give a poo poo about the prime directive, show up and "contribute genetic diversity"

Actually, could he just use the replicator to replicate gallons and gallons of diverse semen, and the tools to artificially inseminate the women? That would solve the problem.

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!



Grimey Drawer

Civilized Fishbot posted:

...

Actually, could he just use the replicator to replicate gallons and gallons of diverse semen, and the tools to artificially inseminate the women? That would solve the problem.

Pump the breaks there Gene, the replicators can't make living matter. The waves and waves of replicated cum won't work for insemination.

VOY S3 e23 Distant Origin

[me, watching for the first time in the mid-90's] "This episode is stupid. Who can ignore solid evidence like that."

[me, rewatching in 2020] "Checks out."

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Distant Origin is actually good Trek other than the whole Ďsentient dinosaurs evolved on Earth and left the planet before humans ever existedí thing

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

Come play my CYOA!

Save your reality from the Constructors... then save all the rest of them.


NANOBOT SPERMATOZOA

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006


College Slice

Isometric Bacon posted:

Me too please. Feels like we're on the sinking ship of the Titanic.

... That probably should have been a Star Trek reference...

Don't worry it was.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012





just boost your genetic diversity by using the transporter tuvix-style to split apart every member of the species into two genetically distinct people, repeat as necessary.

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Sir Lemming posted:

Just watched TNG "Homeward" and wow, yeah, that's one of the worst ever Prime Directive episodes. I think at the end you're supposed to more or less side with the guy who violated the PD, but the way Picard describes it still makes it seem awful. "Sworn duty to the Prime Directive" doesn't even make sense conceptually. It's a guideline for how to interact with aliens, not a sacred text. What's to be gained from not messing with their culture when the only alternative is they all die? Screw it, "y'all got abducted" is now part of your culture, deal with it.

Now to wash that taste out of my mouth with "Sub Rosa"...

Imagine if a civilization just barely managed to survive a terrible natural disaster, with everybody suffering for generations. However, the civilization manages to persevere long enough to obtain warp speed travel. They join the federation, and things are going well for a few years. However somebody uncovers an old mission record, and discovers the federation could have easily prevented the whole disaster in the first place.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






IShallRiseAgain posted:

Imagine if a civilization just barely managed to survive a terrible natural disaster, with everybody suffering for generations. However, the civilization manages to persevere long enough to obtain warp speed travel. They join the federation, and things are going well for a few years. However somebody uncovers an old mission record, and discovers the federation could have easily prevented the whole disaster in the first place.

Well you see, the will of the universe and--*PUNCH*

Handsome Wife
Feb 17, 2001



Currently watching Voyager for the first time and have watched Scorpion Pt. 1 through the first few episodes of season 4 this weekend. I'd heard great things about Jeri Ryan on Voyager but holy poo poo, I think this few-episode arc might be the best acting I've seen in Trek.

Payndz
Sep 22, 2006

They smelled of pubs, and Wormwood Scrubs, and too many right-wing meetings.

So I twatted them with a magic yo-yo. Because, hell, why not?


Handsome Wife posted:

Currently watching Voyager for the first time and have watched Scorpion Pt. 1 through the first few episodes of season 4 this weekend. I'd heard great things about Jeri Ryan on Voyager but holy poo poo, I think this few-episode arc might be the best acting I've seen in Trek.
That period at the start of season 4 was Voyager's best-written run of episodes, because they introduced genuine conflict where - from a certain point of view - Seven was absolutely justified in calling Janeway and the Federation on their poo poo, and Janeway has to stand up and prove to her (and the viewers) why she's mistaken. And, y'know, sometimes maybe Seven had a point; they managed a little ambiguity rather than taking the POV that "the captain is always right and everyone must bend to their views".

It didn't last, of course, because hey, it's Voyager.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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The Ultimate Computer (rewatch)- I hadn't seen this episode since the VHS days, but it's a good one. However it's yet again an episode where Kirk logics a computer to death. I don't believe it's ever followed up on, but the M-5 computer has some similarity to the computers in use during the TNG era. The remaster uses the starbase design from the Vanguard series of TOS novels, and you get to see a lot more of the Enterprise's sister ships during the war games scenes. I also just found out that the guy who plays Daystrom was also loving Blackula in the 70s.

Senor Tron
May 25, 2006



IShallRiseAgain posted:

Imagine if a civilization just barely managed to survive a terrible natural disaster, with everybody suffering for generations. However, the civilization manages to persevere long enough to obtain warp speed travel. They join the federation, and things are going well for a few years. However somebody uncovers an old mission record, and discovers the federation could have easily prevented the whole disaster in the first place.

That's a fantastic premise for an episode or even a long term antagonist species.

Senor Tron
May 25, 2006



8one6 posted:

Pump the breaks there Gene, the replicators can't make living matter. The waves and waves of replicated cum won't work for insemination.

Wonder if the replicators can make viruses.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006


College Slice

IShallRiseAgain posted:

Imagine if a civilization just barely managed to survive a terrible natural disaster, with everybody suffering for generations. However, the civilization manages to persevere long enough to obtain warp speed travel. They join the federation, and things are going well for a few years. However somebody uncovers an old mission record, and discovers the federation could have easily prevented the whole disaster in the first place.

It would probably be like if we found out someone could've prevented the Bronze Age Collapse or something.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

man buys avatar
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what a dumb moron



FlamingLiberal posted:

The Ultimate Computer (rewatch)- I hadn't seen this episode since the VHS days, but it's a good one. However it's yet again an episode where Kirk logics a computer to death. I don't believe it's ever followed up on, but the M-5 computer has some similarity to the computers in use during the TNG era. The remaster uses the starbase design from the Vanguard series of TOS novels, and you get to see a lot more of the Enterprise's sister ships during the war games scenes. I also just found out that the guy who plays Daystrom was also loving Blackula in the 70s.

It's weird because the episode is never explicitly referenced later on but, once you see it, you understand that this had to have been a pivotal point in Starfleet-synth relations. All the career obstacles Data experiences in TNG can be traced directly to when Starfleet tried giving command to a robot and it killed hundreds of people.

They really should have brought it up in *Picard.*

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003





Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Woah, neat! Where did you find these?

They're from the Haynes Enterprise Manual, apparently.

Bonus one from JJ that someone online did:

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Jun 29, 2020

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



More TOS-

Bread and Circuses- Another one of the seemingly unending 'parallel Earths' that keep appearing on this show. In this case it's a society where the Roman Empire never fell and lasted until the equivalent of the 20th century. This episode moves extremely fast and it was over before I thought it was going to end. I think overall it's a good episode but that reveal at the end that the freed slaves were going to start Christianity was a bit unnecessary.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Broken Cake

FlamingLiberal posted:

More TOS-

Bread and Circuses- Another one of the seemingly unending 'parallel Earths' that keep appearing on this show. In this case it's a society where the Roman Empire never fell and lasted until the equivalent of the 20th century. This episode moves extremely fast and it was over before I thought it was going to end. I think overall it's a good episode but that reveal at the end that the freed slaves were going to start Christianity was a bit unnecessary.

I feel like the confirmation that jesus is real and shows up on other planets should be a bit more of a surprise at the end, but I guess they meet Apollo and the ghost of Jack the Ripper and poo poo all the time.

Also maybe they should have prepared the cultists for the dark ages a little bit, like maybe tell them about crop rotation or something.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

The future? You mean like flying cars? Hotels on the moon? Tang?


Grimey Drawer

Of all the weird parallel earth episodes on TOS, I think that oneís the best. The gangster one is a novelty at first but gets really tiresome, and the Nazi one just isnít that good.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

I still can't believe they cast Spock as me. Spock! Can you imagine?

Of course, he was missing a few things.




PerniciousKnid posted:

It would probably be like if we found out someone could've prevented the Bronze Age Collapse or something.
I'll allow it but only if the rear end in a top hat aliens use that dark ages science graph.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.

Grimey Drawer

Senor Tron posted:

Wonder if the replicators can make viruses.

They get stuck in a loop arguing with each other about whether viruses are technically alive and burn out

Senor Tron
May 25, 2006



FlamingLiberal posted:

More TOS-

Bread and Circuses- Another one of the seemingly unending 'parallel Earths' that keep appearing on this show. In this case it's a society where the Roman Empire never fell and lasted until the equivalent of the 20th century. This episode moves extremely fast and it was over before I thought it was going to end. I think overall it's a good episode but that reveal at the end that the freed slaves were going to start Christianity was a bit unnecessary.

They're goofy episodes, but it's interesting to think if they were made a few years later they probably would have literally made them parallel universe Earth's instead and been able to avoid some of the contrivance.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003





Concept art from beyond when they were trying out different ideas for Yorktown. (Artist just liked the Galaxy, I guess)



From later on when they had the idea they ended up with, I'm sad they didn't go with the forest-covered version.



MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jun 29, 2020

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP



FlamingLiberal posted:

I can attest that having watched The Alternative Factor recently, it's awful and also pretty incomprehensible

ok this is from a while back but...was it really? I found it pretty easily followable and also a pretty fun and weird episode. I'm actually surprised its on a list of worst episodes. Though, I agree with probably all of them other than this one really

AntherUslessPoster
Feb 12, 2019

Universe existed for 13.8 billion years before humans and will exist for trillions years more after the last human is forgotten.
So what was your problem again?


Civilized Fishbot posted:

They really should have brought it up in *Picard.*

That would imply that any of writers watched more than 2-5 episodes of data+picard st:nemesis and this is clearly not the case

Senor Tron
May 25, 2006



MikeJF posted:

Concept art from beyond when they were trying out different ideas for Yorktown. (Artist just liked the Galaxy, I guess)



From later on when they had the idea they ended up with, I'm sad they didn't go with the forest-covered version.





Canon blah blah doesn't fit in that time period blah blah, I will never turn down an opportunity to appreciate Yorktown station. It would 100% fit in a post-TNG era, feels like an evolution of the philosophy that led to the Galaxy class in the first place.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003





I'd love to see theme nab the concept for that first one sometime and reuse it for a one-off in a show.

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feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

I think it looks a bit silly. Maybe a few design revisions down the line it could be neatóthe concept of a city skyline existing in multiple directions is neatóbut it feels really half-baked as presented. I don't think it's effectively considering space as a proper 3-dimensional place or capitalizing on that idea. And why are the starships docked so far away from the city centers?

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