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The Yorktown is really cool. I still prefer the Mushroom Boi over Earth but Yorktown is a really cool futuristic concept.
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I just never thought it fit with the rest of the design aesthetic of the movies or the shows
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Jun 29, 2020 13:53
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feedmyleg posted:I think it looks a bit silly. Maybe a few design revisions down the line it could be neat—the concept of a city skyline existing in multiple directions is neat—but it feels really half-baked as presented. I don't think it's effectively considering space as a proper 3-dimensional place or capitalizing on that idea. And why are the starships docked so far away from the city centers? They have to be far away for the inevitable explosion of the ships.
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Jun 29, 2020 13:58
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Plus you want a real nice, full view of all the ships from the restaurants. And the explosions.
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Jun 29, 2020 14:09
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Yorktown would have been substantially less cool if it didn't have a killer musical leitmotif associated with it. "Night on the Yorktown" is legit one of my favorite Trek tracks (...Star Tracks, if you will...) ever. It's just so grand, optimistic and futurey and Federation space utopia-y, I love it.
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Jun 29, 2020 14:32
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Drone posted:Yorktown would have been substantially less cool if it didn't have a killer musical leitmotif associated with it. "Night on the Yorktown" is legit one of my favorite Trek tracks (...Star Tracks, if you will...) ever. It really is a good track for getting across what the Yorktown is.
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Jun 29, 2020 14:39
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feedmyleg posted:And why are the starships docked so far away from the city centers? Because it looks cool with the big swoosh. When it's civilian facilities, 'because it looks cool' is a legitimate in-universe excuse.
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Jun 29, 2020 15:13
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My biggest issue with Yorktown is they built this massive space station with families and such literally 5 minutes flight from an anomaly they couldn't scan into that housed an M class planet. I mean, who does the zoning approval in the federation? Don't you think you should check out for neighborhood hazards before building this massive space station and asking families to move out to it.
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Jun 29, 2020 16:02
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The Federation likes it weird and dangerous, this is canon
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Jun 29, 2020 16:26
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bull3964 posted:My biggest issue with Yorktown is they built this massive space station with families and such literally 5 minutes flight from an anomaly they couldn't scan into that housed an M class planet. Look, they sent a ship in to investigate, it vanished and was never heard from again, what more do you want them to do?!
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Jun 29, 2020 16:28
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bull3964 posted:My biggest issue with Yorktown is they built this massive space station with families and such literally 5 minutes flight from an anomaly they couldn't scan into that housed an M class planet. This is Star Trek, you're *never* more than five minutes away from a deadly anomaly.
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Jun 29, 2020 17:21
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Not that we didn't know already, but Zachary Quinto has effectively confirmed that Star Trek 4 is dead.
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Jun 29, 2020 18:29
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Miraculously both Ensign Kim and I have made it to season 4 of Voyager. It's all a very, very shallow slope uphill from here.
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Jun 29, 2020 20:17
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Timby posted:Not that we didn't know already, but Zachary Quinto has effectively confirmed that Star Trek 4 is dead. Star Trek 5: The Search for Star Trek 4
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Jun 29, 2020 20:29
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Doggles posted:Star Trek 5: The Search for Star Trek 4 Space Quest XII: Vohaul's Revenge II
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Jun 29, 2020 21:43
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Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II: Mysteries of the Sith Oh wait that was a real thing
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Jun 29, 2020 21:59
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That big S also presumably has a number of dock spaces... you could store the antimatter or whatever well away from the school building. It looks pretty cool. I loved Yorktown but I think you would have gotten a similar effect with an embellished O'Neill cylinder or something, but I also imagine they got permission to use the new buildings in Dubai as a backdrop and kind of designed out from there.
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Jun 29, 2020 22:12
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Starting watching this for the first time with The Next Generation, on season 3 now. Strangely calming to watch without having the already built up fandom.
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Jun 29, 2020 22:22
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Senor Tron posted:Wonder if the replicators can make viruses. They did in Babel.
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Timby posted:Not that we didn't know already, but Zachary Quinto has effectively confirmed that Star Trek 4 is dead.
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Jun 29, 2020 23:30
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knox posted:Starting watching this for the first time with The Next Generation, on season 3 now. Strangely calming to watch without having the already built up fandom. I'm behind you. As someone who watched episodes as much as she could as a young kid and devoured secondary media, early TNG is really nice and small. It's kind of quaint in a way, they get to do cool things and not worry about the onus of STAR TREK upon them. I just finished Time Squared and it was great, but that's an episode that would feel really underbaked five more intricate time travel episodes in. Instead, it gets to be a very cold character drama, and you get things like Pulaski mentioning she can remove Picard from command without it actually being done.
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Jun 29, 2020 23:32
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Hemsworth is crying himself to sleep.
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Jun 29, 2020 23:32
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The_Doctor posted:Hemsworth is crying himself to sleep.
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Jun 29, 2020 23:36
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I wish the Yorktown was an alien station they encountered. Then the difference between that and other starfleet tech would have made sense. It also would have been a better thing to encounter than the stuff that was the main focus of the movie...
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Jun 29, 2020 23:36
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Arivia posted:I'm behind you. As someone who watched episodes as much as she could as a young kid and devoured secondary media, early TNG is really nice and small. It's kind of quaint in a way, they get to do cool things and not worry about the onus of STAR TREK upon them. I just finished Time Squared and it was great, but that's an episode that would feel really underbaked five more intricate time travel episodes in. Instead, it gets to be a very cold character drama, and you get things like Pulaski mentioning she can remove Picard from command without it actually being done. They totally did have that onus on them though. Trek was a huge franchise already with a (the) Fandom and its success as movies was the big reason it got a tv revival. It’s more likely that when you were a kid you just didn’t know or care about any of that poo poo.
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Jun 29, 2020 23:42
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Arivia posted:I'm behind you. As someone who watched episodes as much as she could as a young kid and devoured secondary media, early TNG is really nice and small. It's kind of quaint in a way, they get to do cool things and not worry about the onus of STAR TREK upon them. I just finished Time Squared and it was great, but that's an episode that would feel really underbaked five more intricate time travel episodes in. Instead, it gets to be a very cold character drama, and you get things like Pulaski mentioning she can remove Picard from command without it actually being done. This is what modern Trek projects are missing, everything is so recursive and self-referential and heavy with the weight of franchise it's palpable. TNG was (with a few notable and very not precedent-setting exceptions) a clean break from what came before it, while everything since DS9 has been afraid to go forward, literally and/or figuratively. Trek used to be a trendsetter, now it's just another lame follower.
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Pascallion posted:I wish the Yorktown was an alien station they encountered. Then the difference between that and other starfleet tech would have made sense.
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Jun 29, 2020 23:53
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Nessus posted:Nothing in Yorktown seems to go against the technology Star Trek has had since forever. We have just rarely seen it fully deployed. Part of the inspiration for Iain M. Banks' The Culture series is "what if Star Trek technology, taken to its logical extremes". If you assume the tech we see in the franchise can be applied in different contexts, things get a little crazy.
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Jun 30, 2020 00:04
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Yorktown isn't really any more advanced than Spacedock. It's often assumed in the series that the ships have the best tech the Federation has, but really it makes sense that they would be hamstringed by needing to be small enough to fit in a sip and reliable enough to maybe go years away from repair crews.
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Senor Tron posted:Yorktown isn't really any more advanced than Spacedock. It's often assumed in the series that the ships have the best tech the Federation has, but really it makes sense that they would be hamstringed by needing to be small enough to fit in a sip and reliable enough to maybe go years away from repair crews. The idea is cool but it doesn't fit at all IMO with the rest of what we have seen in either the JJTrek films or other Trek media.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's basically a giant bubble in space that houses all sorts of outdoor living quarters, it has to be way harder to build than something like Spacedock which is enclosed.
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Jun 30, 2020 01:03
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crystalline entity shows up, proposes, proceeds to glomp
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's basically a giant bubble in space that houses all sorts of outdoor living quarters, it has to be way harder to build than something like Spacedock which is enclosed.
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skasion posted:They totally did have that onus on them though. Trek was a huge franchise already with a (the) Fandom and its success as movies was the big reason it got a tv revival. It’s more likely that when you were a kid you just didn’t know or care about any of that poo poo. It was a franchise, but it wasn't a hidebound franchise with a ton of continuity/a formula/common motifs to work around. If Time Squared was a Voyager episode, Pulaski mentioning removing the captain from command WOULD have been done, you wouldn't have had the fascinating bits where Riker and Troi try to talk Picard down, and I'm not sure if Picard would have shot himself. (Star Trek loves killing its main cast members when it doesn't "count," but it sure is way more impactful here than in Voyager where the Real Harry Kim gets sucked out a hull breach and no one gives a poo poo.) e: and I was totally into the whole franchise/continuity thing as a kid. I spent hours reading and rereading the Encyclopedia, I know half this poo poo by heart just by reading the synopses over and over again. Which is why it's so fascinating when I'm actually watching it, to see how the show is more of a show first and the Star Trek Juggernaut second.
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Timby posted:Not that we didn't know already, but Zachary Quinto has effectively confirmed that Star Trek 4 is dead. I love Beyond but there was basically no way any of the potential sequel ideas they had would have resulted in a good movie. Plus, no real guarantee anyone other than Quinto and Pine would have been in it, so  When they inevitably introduce “young” McCoy on Strange New Worlds I would be extremely down for Urban to reprise the role. I know he often veered into just doing a Kelley impression, but I still enjoyed the hell out of him in those films.
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Jun 30, 2020 02:13
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I always liked Urban's performance. I also wonder how much Anton Yelchin dying tragically changed the future of this franchise.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's basically a giant bubble in space that houses all sorts of outdoor living quarters, it has to be way harder to build than something like Spacedock which is enclosed. I've always assumed that Spacedock could be pressurised, hence being mostly enclosed with the big doors. Would make ship construction and repairs a lot easier if you could do it without needing to wear spacesuits. It's shown as being hazy in there which implies some kind of atmosphere. Make hull of Spacedock out of transparent aluminium and you're already a big chunk of the way there.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I always liked Urban's performance. I also wonder how much Anton Yelchin dying tragically changed the future of this franchise. Pegg at least has said that this is a significant reason why he's not pushing for it.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's basically a giant bubble in space that houses all sorts of outdoor living quarters, it has to be way harder to build than something like Spacedock which is enclosed. Not really, you just have to build the bubble, which is a simple geometric sphere of flat glass planes and struts, and then you can just fill it with air and it's super-easy to do all the work inside. Probably the ideal environment, actually: breathable air, no pesky gravity unless you want there to be, and lots of space to push chunks of stuff around and into place. It's not that clear onscreen becaue we only see small glimpses but Starbase One at Earth in Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness is actually a kind of proto-yorktown, the sphere in the middle is glass and there are buildings and structures inside, so there's some nice continuity of Yorktown being an upgraded version of that concept. (Starbase One is also a super-neat tribute to Franz Joseph's Starfleet Command, which was very similarly laid out: a big hollow livable bubble in the middle and six docks arrayed around it in a ring.) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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if it's made of glass you can just do big-rear end zero gravity glass blowing to inflate it
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