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I've watched a good amount of TNG over the years, but it was never my favorite show. I never really gave it a completely fair shake, though, since I mostly watched random episodes in syndication or a handful at a time on Netflix here and there. If I were to start a (re?) watch, where would be an ideal place to begin if I didn't want to deal with long stretches of shaky episodes early on? I'm not a person who can easily sit through a bunch of mediocre episodes in anticipation of it getting better 20 episodes down the line. IIRC the common wisdom is that season 3 is where it really hits its stride so that's my instinct, but is there a decent guide for this, or a place where it might make sense to start? Or am I overblowing how shaky the first couple of seasons are? e: or should I just watch DS9 from the beginning because I've always been warmer on it but also have a sporadic watch history? feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Jul 10, 2020 |
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DS9 is more consistent throughout
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Jul 10, 2020 16:19
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Yeah, DS9 season 1 is its weakest but it isn't mostly poo poo like TNG's. TNG you could watch Q Who and Measure of a Man from S2 and then start at 3. Season 2 isn't as bad as the first season but it's still rough. You can always go back, it's not like you can't watch TNG out of order.
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Jul 10, 2020 16:33
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Grand Fromage posted:TNG you could watch Q Who and Measure of a Man from S2 and then start at 3. Season 2 isn't as bad as the first season but it's still rough. You can always go back, it's not like you can't watch TNG out of order. This is very good advice, but if you want a slightly more extended list, I'd say: Where No One Has Gone Before Conspiracy (this one is a classic even if it's a bad episode) The Neutral Zone (not great but it sets up the Romulans again) The Measure of a Man Q Who Then dive into Season 3, which is probably on the whole the best single season of Trek ever produced.
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Jul 10, 2020 16:44
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I was wrong it wasn't there other thread it was this thread lol. A little bit different though Eeegads! It must have been a coincidence I actually just re-subbed to this thread to post it lol
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Jul 10, 2020 16:51
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feedmyleg posted:I've watched a good amount of TNG over the years, but it was never my favorite show. I never really gave it a completely fair shake, though, since I mostly watched random episodes in syndication or a handful at a time on Netflix here and there. Nearly at the end of my own TNG "re" watch (in which I've discovered that I probably never even saw half the episodes) I have to say there's really no easy answer. There are good and mediocre episodes sprinkled throughout. Season 1 gets off to a really rough start, but on the whole I would not describe it as significantly worse. It's a different vibe, a little more TOS, and without established characters as an anchor, I guess the bad episodes are less redeemable. But it's also kind of exciting for the same reason. There are a lot of episodes in there that I'd rather watch than any of the "Troi falls in love with some evil diplomat" episodes in later seasons. It's less good seasons vs. bad seasons, and more Best Episodes vs. Everything Else.
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Jul 10, 2020 17:28
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I'd say Season 3 would be a good starting point. First 2 Seasons are spottier than rest of the series and you can return to them, if you like the rest of the series enough.
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Jul 10, 2020 17:35
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The secret to appreciating TNG is to know who's a good actor, who's a bad actor and learning to love both for what they are.
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Jul 10, 2020 17:38
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I will not have you besmirch the good name of Chief Argyle Let me tell you about our letter-writing campaign, because we love Chief Arg--
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Jul 10, 2020 17:43
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Pulaski in one season is better than Crusher in 6 seasons combined.
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Jul 10, 2020 17:45
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Huh, apparently when Viacom split Paramount and CBS, part of the split agreement was that CBS wouldn't be allowed to make any Star Trek TV show for 10 years through to 2016 to allow Paramount to milk films, which is why Discovery was planned to launch January 2017. It was literally the earliest legal date CBS was allowed to. I never knew that.
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Jul 10, 2020 17:49
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adhuin posted:Pulaski in one season is better than Crusher in 6 seasons combined. It's sad when Crusher's most memorable milestone episodes are "Remember Me" (legit v. good) and "Sub Rosa" (extremely bad).
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Jul 10, 2020 17:53
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MikeJF posted:Huh, apparently when Viacom split Paramount and CBS, part of the split agreement was that CBS wouldn't be allowed to make any Star Trek TV show for 10 years through to 2016 to allow Paramount to milk films, which is why Discovery was planned to launch January 2017. It was literally the earliest legal date CBS was allowed to. I never knew that.
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Jul 10, 2020 17:55
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Ohhhh, it looks like it wasn't ten years, it was a buffer time around any Star Trek film by Paramount that CBS weren't allowed to create a series in. The article I saw confused the issue by saying that Jan 2017 was the earliest they were legally allowed to, but that was just around that time period, because of Beyond.
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Jul 10, 2020 18:00
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The_Doctor posted:See, to me, this isn’t dark at all. It’s not TNG bright, but it’s hardly dark. It looks like someone loaded up a colour correction suite, spent $50 on a file called 'MichaelBayFilm.lut', applied it, and then invoiced CBS 6 figures.
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Jul 10, 2020 19:51
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I'm so mad I watched season 2 of that loving show
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Jul 10, 2020 19:57
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It takes a special kind of talent to hamfistedly tease Spock for 3/4ths of a season, deliver him unceremoniously, and then within 2-3 eps make you miss the days when he wasn't on the show.
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Jul 10, 2020 20:04
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The_Doctor posted:See, to me, this isn’t dark at all. It’s not TNG bright, but it’s hardly dark. I would hate working there. Everything is so Goddamn shiny.
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Jul 10, 2020 20:12
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Pastamania posted:It looks like someone loaded up a colour correction suite, spent $50 on a file called 'MichaelBayFilm.lut', applied it, and then invoiced CBS 6 figures. Like a lot of Discovery, I think it looks pretty cool and slick but like an extremely unpleasant place to be.
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Jul 10, 2020 21:02
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Just loving watch all of the episodes if the good Treks, I mean, my god, you're already watching Star Trek. Just commit.
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Jul 10, 2020 21:21
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Even bad good Trek is good bad Trek and sometimes "good" good trek is bad when viewed through the retrospective lens of the Iraq War. Just sit your rear end down and put your eyes on the screen
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Jul 10, 2020 21:25
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Intel&Sebastian posted:It takes a special kind of talent to hamfistedly tease Spock for 3/4ths of a season, deliver him unceremoniously, and then within 2-3 eps make you miss the days when he wasn't on the show.  PeckSpock was one of the best parts of the season
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Jul 10, 2020 21:33
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we have other threads for discussing Spock's peck
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Jul 10, 2020 21:37
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Alright, started DS9. And... gently caress, I really forgot what it was like to watch a show in SD this sucks I'm so spoiled 
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Jul 10, 2020 21:40
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This peanut in the log of poo poo I'm eating is satisfyingly crunchy
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Jul 10, 2020 21:41
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feedmyleg posted:I've watched a good amount of TNG over the years, but it was never my favorite show. I never really gave it a completely fair shake, though, since I mostly watched random episodes in syndication or a handful at a time on Netflix here and there. Season 3 is genuinely good, it holds up against the rest of the show.
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Jul 10, 2020 22:53
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Star Trek: Deep Space Nine S01E01 & S01E02 Review: - Big crush on Kira immediately. - Big crush on Sisko immediately. - They should kiss. - v worried about Jake becoming obnoxious. - This show is very good. Onto the next episode.
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Jul 11, 2020 00:08
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VOY S4 e23 Living Witness This episode is so loving good. Bring Robert Picardo back for modern Trek. Doesn't matter which one, he'll improve any of them immediately.
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Jul 11, 2020 00:15
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When I was a teen I never liked Kira and now I'm an adult I love her and her 'I am not getting paid enough to deal with this space-bullshit' attitude.
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Jul 11, 2020 00:15
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feedmyleg posted:
He's not great but I don't think he ever truly hits Wesley Crusher levels of annoying, despite a Wesley-esque amount of screentime. I think this is partially due to the fact that he never aspires to joining Starfleet like every other dumbass kid on a Trek show
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Jul 11, 2020 00:18
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Kira is mostly fine but she's a conduit/window for Bajorian politics and those eps, for the most part, suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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Jul 11, 2020 00:20
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feedmyleg posted:Star Trek: Deep Space Nine S01E01 & S01E02 Review: Fun fact: the actors definitely did in real life for a bit! Then along comes Siddig
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HD DAD posted:Fun fact: the actors definitely did in real life for a bit! He has that big Siddig energy.
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Jul 11, 2020 00:26
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or was koenig like staring lustfully at doohan's natural shocker i don't know
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Jul 11, 2020 00:27
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Intel&Sebastian posted:He's not great but I don't think he ever truly hits Wesley Crusher levels of annoying, despite a Wesley-esque amount of screentime. I think this is partially due to the fact that he never aspires to joining Starfleet like every other dumbass kid on a Trek show I always liked Jake, it was fun to watch him grow up with the station, none of his plots ever seemed overly forced or annoying. Good character IMO. Him and Ben's relationship over the years was cute.
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Jul 11, 2020 00:27
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moldy old rear end take but since there's newbie DS9 watchers here: Everyone in that show has a more sci-fi/alien sounding name in real life than they do on the show.
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Jul 11, 2020 00:27
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There's also at least one Jake-centric episode that's extremely good which is more than you can say for any other Trek child actor Edit: Nog doesn't count because his actor wasn't an actual child
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Jul 11, 2020 00:28
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Intel&Sebastian posted:moldy old rear end take but since there's newbie DS9 watchers here: Everyone in that show has a more sci-fi/alien sounding name in real life than they do on the show. Actual DS9 cast list: 
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Jul 11, 2020 00:31
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Sir Lemming posted:Actual DS9 cast list: And most of those are just Alexander siddig's real name
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I always liked Jake, it was fun to watch him grow up with the station, none of his plots ever seemed overly forced or annoying. Good character IMO. Him and Ben's relationship over the years was cute. I'm still amused that by like four episodes in, Jake hit a growth spurt and sprang up to about nine feet tall. I bet it got challenging to come up with camera angles that would cover both him and Nog.
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