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Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.



I hope the new show is all about a ship constantly leaving just before or arriving just after cool stuff occurs. The unending blue balls would be amazing.

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Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004

peckerwood


Fun Shoe

make a B5 thread!

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

I hope the new show is all about a ship constantly leaving just before or arriving just after cool stuff occurs. The unending blue balls would be amazing.

"Good work locating those Klingon pirates, Captain, now head back to Starbase 12, the Enterprise will deal with this!"

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001



I read that as a half gay Klingon.

Probably be an episode where he gets split into a gay and not gay Klingon and the gay one gives the not gay one Something to Think About

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

TNG season 7's sin is that so much of it is so dull.

You could just tell that everyone -- the writers, the cast, pretty much anyone involved with the show -- was so completely burnt out at that point and they were just throwing poo poo at the wall and seeing what stuck. There were bright spots but there's an oddly palpable feeling throughout the season that everyone was just done.

thexerox123 posted:

I think that Best of Both Worlds and Yesterday's Enterprise are overrated.

I'll fight you on Yesterday's Enterprise (though it does have way too much Denise Crosby), but BOBW Part II is just an unending slog. Actually, TNG's two-parters always tended to end on a bit of a wet fart; the only exceptions immediately coming to mind are All Good Things... and you can probably make case for Redemption.

Ogmius815 posted:

drat cast contracts.

Everyone was signed for an eighth season, but Paramount was in a cost-cutting mode at that point and decided movies would be more profitable (particularly because they wouldn't have to pay the actors to be on the sets for forty weeks out of the year).

Timby fucked around with this message at Aug 7, 2016 around 17:32

Barlow
Nov 26, 2007
Write, speak, avenge, for ancient sufferings feel

I've never totally understood the dislike of TNG's 7th season. It may not be as good as the prior one but it has some fine episodes; the Pegasus, Lower Decks, Preemptive Strike, Parallels and All Good Things are all enjoyable. That's a better track record than TOS's 3rd season, maybe even a better ratio of gold to trash than all of Voyager.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Coach Bloodbutt
Default Status: POOPING



All Good Things is soooooo good that it really brings up the entire season average.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005

by R. Guyovich


Rhyno posted:

All Good Things is soooooo good that it really brings up the entire season average.

It's such a shame the movies are so bad.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Coach Bloodbutt
Default Status: POOPING



Ogmius815 posted:

It's such a shame the movies are so bad.

First Contact isn't terrible. But 1 out of 4 isn't the best track record. I'm still sore that the TNG crew didn't get a proper film send off. Spiner probably could've pulled off Data in a girdle one last time.

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

The thing about TNG S7 is that (aside from "All Good Things" and maybe "The Pegasus"), even the good episodes aren't really great or super memorable. "Gambit" is memorable and fun, I guess, but it's also really stupid and feels like an entirely different show.

Here's my bad TNG opinion: S1 and S2 aren't nearly as bad as they're made out to be. The problem is that the bad episodes are really, unbelievably, unwatchably bad, but on the whole they're fine.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Coach Bloodbutt
Default Status: POOPING



Paradoxish posted:

The thing about TNG S7 is that (aside from "All Good Things" and maybe "The Pegasus"), even the good episodes aren't really great or super memorable. "Gambit" is memorable and fun, I guess, but it's also really stupid and feels like an entirely different show.

Here's my bad TNG opinion: S1 and S2 aren't nearly as bad as they're made out to be. The problem is that the bad episodes are really, unbelievably, unwatchably bad, but on the whole they're fine.

I adore TNG S1 & 2. The darker lighting and wicked suspense music is always enjoyable. Thankfully BBC America runs it all day on Friday and Saturday so I can dose up during work.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Was it Berman who said he was glad season 7 was the last because the writers were having a hard time coming up with new story ideas? gently caress, fire all the shitass writers then and get some new blood.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


Rhyno posted:

First Contact isn't terrible. But 1 out of 4 isn't the best track record. I'm still sore that the TNG crew didn't get a proper film send off. Spiner probably could've pulled off Data in a girdle one last time.

First Contact I'd argue is good. Not great, but good. Generations is the not-terrible one. The other two... exist.

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007



I think a big part of what makes it so bad is we get to see the characters we love act in strange, inconsistent, and horrible ways for no real reason. Picard runs off to become a space pirate, lets an entire planet of people die because ~prime directive~, and ruins Ensign Ro's life during one of the stiffest and worse acted/directed hours of the entire franchise. All the characters meet long lost family members or have bits of character backstory finally revealed in a way that I think was supposed to be poignant but instead was terrible because it exposed how shallow the characters really were and also gave us surprise sex Ghost and the Lwuxana Troi repressed memory episode. Worf is dating Troi for some reason, apparently has a human brother, and is such a bad father that his son figures out time travel. Troi takes a test and somehow becomes a senior bridge officer, despite being, you know, Troi. We learn that traveling at high warp is causing space climate change, that the federation built a cloaking device that can pass through solid rock (but won't build normal ones), and that Crusher is such a bad doctor she can accidentally make the whole crew "de-evolve" while treating the flu. Picard has a fake son, Data has a fake mom, and the Enterprise gets pregnant.

Also there are a handful of good episodes and a few "weird stuff happens" episodes that aren't bad exactly, but are still gimmicky and extremely Voyagerish, but overall that poo poo stinks.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002


Duckbag posted:

Troi takes a test and somehow becomes a senior bridge officer, despite being, you know, Troi.

that the federation built a cloaking device that can pass through solid rock (but won't build normal ones)

Data has a fake mom
Troi's leadership episode was good, because there was still "LOL a WOMAN in charge" sexism around that episode was all about her making the hard choice. It also delineates her experiences as a counselor and as a senior crew member: she can't be the ship buddy friend if she's in the chain of command.

I liked the secret cloaking device because not only were the feds being shady as gently caress and possibly destabilizing the Romulan nonaggression pact, they also catastrophically hosed it up while also creating a device potentially more powerful than they anticipated.

Datamom was a Lal rehash, but at least he wasn't running around with faux-incan forehead hats and poo poo.

These are my bad TNG opinions, gomen.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

MENTALLY
DEFEATED


Grimey Drawer

Generations and First Contact are great movies and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. This thread is always hyper-critical of Trek, but the hate for the TNG movies is mind-boggling.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Coach Bloodbutt
Default Status: POOPING



Big Mean Jerk posted:

Generations and First Contact are great movies and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. This thread is always hyper-critical of Trek, but the hate for the TNG movies is mind-boggling.

Have you noticed how your boobs are firmer?

WickedHate
Jul 31, 2013

by Lowtax


Big Mean Jerk posted:

Generations and First Contact are great movies and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. This thread is always hyper-critical of Trek, but the hate for the TNG movies is mind-boggling.

Generations shouldn't have involved any TOS bits. That's what really drags it down, I think. Otherwise I'd like it more than First Contact.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002


Generations is a poorly lit, meandering story that relies on an Oops I Can Fix This mechanic to get the True Ending.

First Contact is a decent zombie action movie with trek bolted on.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001



First Contact isn't as good as it should be because it doesn't make sense to me.

You're telling me that the Borg 1) can't aim for poo poo bombarding a static target and 2) can't drop anything with more explosive power than a gallon of gasoline?

Seriously they'd have inflicted more damage if they'd just kamikazed into the place.

CharlieWhiskey
Aug 18, 2005

everything, all the time

this is the world

Duckbag posted:

Worf is dating Troi for some reason

In Parallels, he finds out that he is married to her in another universe, so then he decides to let the empath know what he is feeling

If you know what I'm saying

With his penis

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007



FilthyImp posted:

Troi's leadership episode was good, because there was still "LOL a WOMAN in charge" sexism around that episode was all about her making the hard choice. It also delineates her experiences as a counselor and as a senior crew member: she can't be the ship buddy friend if she's in the chain of command.

I liked the secret cloaking device because not only were the feds being shady as gently caress and possibly destabilizing the Romulan nonaggression pact, they also catastrophically hosed it up while also creating a device potentially more powerful than they anticipated.

Datamom was a Lal rehash, but at least he wasn't running around with faux-incan forehead hats and poo poo.

These are my bad TNG opinions, gomen.

Yeah none of those episodes is particularly bad (certainly not by season 7 standards), but they're all rather contrived. The Troi one felt like the writers were trying to make the point that Troi was a real officer like everyone else and we shouldn't underestimate her, despite the fact that we'd spent the last six years seeing her not act (or dress) like the other officers and be hopelessly out of her depth in command situations (like the episode with Ro and O'Brien). Having her study and take a test and suddenly be able to order around seasoned bridge officers despite having demonstrably less command experience was weird.

Meanwhile, the other two episodes aren't that bad on their own but they're very formulaic. They both fall into the pattern of "person from character X's past appears, with a dark secret" that like a third of the episodes in season 7 were following and even the better invocations of that premise are pretty much tainted by how threadbare and predictable that device had become.

Also, as much as I want to defend Pegasus because it's reasonably entertaining for what it is, the rogue Star Fleet officer that goes too far and the amazing prototype technology that has to be destroyed because it's too dangerous were already terrible Trek cliches when it was written and are even more overplayed now. Sadly, while the nature of the device itself was interesting, it's just about the only fresh idea in the whole script.

Also, also, I kinda like Masks, because I'm the worst.

nmx
May 16, 2004



Sash! posted:

First Contact isn't as good as it should be because it doesn't make sense to me.

You're telling me that the Borg 1) can't aim for poo poo bombarding a static target and 2) can't drop anything with more explosive power than a gallon of gasoline?

Seriously they'd have inflicted more damage if they'd just kamikazed into the place.

Meh, that's a pretty minor quibble. They did damage the rocket, and didn't know exactly where Cochrane was. Plus it was basically their escape pod, not a full cube.

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007



Also, their plan demonstrably worked because the Earth got borgified. It was only the Enterprise's lucky entry into the timestream that stopped them. Presumably, the sphere would have done way more damage if the Enterprise hadn't blown it up, but even the damage it did in the initial bombardment was enough to make Cochrane cancel his flight and miss his window for meeting the Vulcans, so the Bord didn't actually need to do any more damage than they had already.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

ensign dwarf, set a course for getting blitzed the fuck out

warp factor nine

Voyager would have been totally redeemed if they'd just had a brief throwaway gag scene where, as the Borg Queen strolls down a flickering corridor, she mutters "does anyone remember when we used to be interested in technology?" as a callback to the Insurrection scene where Picard grumbles about not being explorers any more.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."


Sash! posted:

I read that as a half gay Klingon.

Probably be an episode where he gets split into a gay and not gay Klingon and the gay one gives the not gay one Something to Think About

I can see Klingons embracing homosexuality wholeheartedly. The love between two men is the manliest love! A warrior's love!

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

DS9 gave us the greatest starship porn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtj7PauX_I

WickedHate
Jul 31, 2013

by Lowtax


The_Doctor posted:

I can see Klingons embracing homosexuality wholeheartedly. The love between two men is the manliest love! A warrior's love!

Oh hell yeah, their totally band of thebes-ing it up.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001



Taco Defender

So this is from a couple months ago apparently, but I just found it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr_1K5YOAq0

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

I still can't believe they cast Spock as me. Spock! Can you imagine?

Of course, he was missing a few things.

The_Doctor posted:

I can see Klingons embracing homosexuality wholeheartedly. The love between two men is the manliest love! A warrior's love!
To engage in intercourse without protection would be without honor.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003

Coach Bloodbutt
Default Status: POOPING




Somewhere in early to mid season 7 there is a flyover of the station with a few Birds of Prey and it's flippin gorgeous, I wish I'd taken note of which episode. I don't think it was ever reused.

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013




Nemesis was so bad I'm still angry about it and it was the first of three consecutive wrath of khan ripoffs where the enterprise fights a big black ship.

The General
Mar 4, 2007

So gentlemen, we meet again.


I haven't watched nemesis. Someday I might. That, various episodes of voyager and nu trek 2 and 3 are the only treks I have not seen.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003



Rhyno posted:

Somewhere in early to mid season 7 there is a flyover of the station with a few Birds of Prey and it's flippin gorgeous, I wish I'd taken note of which episode. I don't think it was ever reused.

You sure that wasn't way of the warrior?

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!


The General posted:

I haven't watched nemesis. Someday I might. That, various episodes of voyager and nu trek 2 and 3 are the only treks I have not seen.

It has very, very few redeeming qualities. The cinematography is decent (probably the best of the TNG films after Generations, really), Digital Domain really did a phenomenal job with the visual effects ... and ... uh, yeah, I got nothin'. loving Spiner.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

ensign dwarf, set a course for getting blitzed the fuck out

warp factor nine


Man, that CGI Defiant was dogshit.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

ensign dwarf, set a course for getting blitzed the fuck out

warp factor nine

Timby posted:

It has very, very few redeeming qualities. The cinematography is decent (probably the best of the TNG films after Generations, really), Digital Domain really did a phenomenal job with the visual effects ... and ... uh, yeah, I got nothin'. loving Spiner.

They saved a bunch of money not having to render the Scimitar half the time!

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

I finally saw Star Trek Beyond. I really liked it, it was finally Star Trek. I also saw the teaser for Discovery. Seems lame that it appears to just be the original concept for the Enterprise.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

The right reading for this is the one I'm giving.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Generations and First Contact are great movies and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise. This thread is always hyper-critical of Trek, but the hate for the TNG movies is mind-boggling.

Generations just really underwhelming, and First Contact, in the words of RLM, is "the 3,967th worst movie ever made." As in, it's serviceable as a dumb action movie but the script is hilariously terrible. It's more or less a guilty pleasure, whereas the rest are just guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Lr8cdZwHQ

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!


Cojawfee posted:

Seems lame that it appears to just be the original concept for the Enterprise.

It's actually based upon Ralph McQuarrie's proposed redesign from Planet of the Titans.

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