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The original Smart Alien Bastards
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May 25, 2018 02:08
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I hope there is an explanation of it being the same girl in both illusions and not just because they didn't need to cast another actress
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May 25, 2018 02:11
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Speaking of comparisons to TNG, the TOS theme is so distinctly 60s but I don't think of the TNG theme as distinctly 90s. The first part is kind of Hearts of Space, but most of it just sounds like any romanticism-influenced orchestra music like John Williams Well, the TNG theme was really written in the '70s. Makes me wonder what an '80s / '90s theme would've been like. Edit: probably like the Enterprise theme I guess Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at 02:20 on May 25, 2018 |
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May 25, 2018 02:16
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"It's a trap, when dreams become more important than reality" Whoa
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May 25, 2018 02:18
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Thousands of people not just watching you but experiencing what you do really is the ultimate form of voyeurism
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May 25, 2018 02:19
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The framing device is getting weaker because it's just the modern crew reiterating what they're seeing
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May 25, 2018 02:21
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you're the modern crew reiterating what you're seeing
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May 25, 2018 02:27
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GREEN DANCING WOMAN
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May 25, 2018 02:28
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I've had dreams where something as powerful as these aliens is loving with me
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May 25, 2018 02:38
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He's Mr Bucket He's Mr Bucket "I have to revert back to my state" There goes Mr Bucket "Ohhhh, Odo!" "I don't use the bucket anymore"
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May 25, 2018 02:41
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:He's Mr Bucket Get dat get dat Gold-pressed latinum! Get dat get dat Gold-pressed latinum! Am I right?! (Whoo haha yeah) Am-I Am-I right?! Edit: drat why is that catchier than it should be? mycomancy fucked around with this message at 02:55 on May 25, 2018 |
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May 25, 2018 02:51
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"They had no guide to putting me back together" This two parter is full of real horror, and it seems like it goes beyond what they intended
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May 25, 2018 02:51
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May 25, 2018 02:53
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Now keep in mind that the whole thing with Pike and Talosians, which was really great sci-fi and great drama, was rejected as "too cerebral" by the NBC execs. Also FYI the Talosians are all played by women!
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May 25, 2018 02:53
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Well that was wrapped up quick
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May 25, 2018 02:57
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Astroman posted:Now keep in mind that the whole thing with Pike and Talosians, which was really great sci-fi and great drama, was rejected as "too cerebral" by the NBC execs. That's Roddenberry's bullshit excuse, isn't it? I thought it was more "too much overt sexuality, and we don't like that your girlfriend has a prominent role."
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May 25, 2018 02:57
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Whether it was meant to or not, these episodes seem like they were about TV with characters constantly watching other ones on screens and the whole thing about the Talosians' subjects being the ultimate TV show and the ending that absolves you a little for getting lost in fantasy
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May 25, 2018 03:00
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The last three DS9 episodes I watched have been super OBrien focused. OBrien and Bashir hiding from Whoville aliens, OBrien replicant on the run from Starfleet, then OBrien and Sisko enslaved by a Luddite cult leader, OBrien has to solve the macguffin and beat off her hunky son while Sisko engages in a passive resistance battle of wills.
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May 25, 2018 03:00
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McNally posted:That's Roddenberry's bullshit excuse, isn't it? I thought it was more "too much overt sexuality, and we don't like that your girlfriend has a prominent role." No, "cerebral" was indeed the reason The Cage was rejected (which is fair, it's pretty slow, particularly by 1965 standards); they also didn't like that Number One was a woman (they didn't know Roddenberry was loving Majel at the time) and they thought Spock was too "devilish" in appearance. There's an NBC memo reproduced somewhere--maybe the Solow / Justman book--that uses that language. But they liked the concept enough to commission a second pilot, which is how we got The Original Series.
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May 25, 2018 03:03
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Sir Lemming posted:Edit: probably like the Enterprise theme I guess Wow this sucks
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May 25, 2018 03:04
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Timby posted:they thought Spock was too "devilish" in appearance. Lol. That kind of gives me vertigo making me realize how long ago it was
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May 25, 2018 03:05
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Timby posted:No, "cerebral" was indeed the reason The Cage was rejected (which is fair, it's pretty slow, particularly by 1965 standards); they also didn't like that Number One was a woman (they didn't know Roddenberry was loving Majel at the time) and they thought Spock was too "devilish" in appearance. There's an NBC memo reproduced somewhere--maybe the Solow / Justman book--that uses that language. But they liked the concept enough to commission a second pilot, which is how we got The Original Series. Goddamnit, there's so much Roddenberry propaganda and anti-Roddenberry propaganda flying about that I don't remember what's true or not anymore.
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May 25, 2018 03:12
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:OBrien has to solve the macguffin and beat off her hunky son I have been watching the wrong DS9.
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May 25, 2018 03:12
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Oh poo poo, sorry I was watching D Sixty 9
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May 25, 2018 03:17
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McNally posted:Goddamnit, there's so much Roddenberry propaganda and anti-Roddenberry propaganda flying about that I don't remember what's true or not anymore. luckily Timby is here to keep it all straight for us. A natural scholar that one!
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May 25, 2018 03:44
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Whether it was meant to or not, these episodes seem like they were about TV with characters constantly watching other ones on screens and the whole thing about the Talosians' subjects being the ultimate TV show and the ending that absolves you a little for getting lost in fantasy This is a good insight, and I have no idea whether it was meant that way.
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May 25, 2018 04:07
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HIJK posted:luckily Timby is here to keep it all straight for us. A natural scholar that one! ... is this sarcasm? 
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May 25, 2018 04:22
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Timby posted:... is this sarcasm? No I like reading your insights dude
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May 25, 2018 04:22
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Timby is the thread’s Data. Walking encyclopedia Data, not “beep boop what is anger Geordi” Data. Speaking of, are there pics of those re-dyed TMP uniforms? I don’t remember them.
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May 25, 2018 04:38
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This guy talks about them. http://wrathofdhanprops.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-complete-guide-to-starfleet-style.html Basically all the trainee uniforms in TWOK. Also, they were the enlisted uniforms in ST:VI. It's what yeoman Burke and Samno were wearing. They were dyed to match the officer uniforms and had a the extra piece added on the shoulders.
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May 25, 2018 04:45
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The part that bugs me about The Menagerie is no one seems to notice that the Talosians can project their illusions as far away as Starbase 11 (so that they could make an illusory Commodore to come along with Kirk). So being at that starbase is just as dangerous as being in orbit of Talos IV itself -- the aliens can still trick you into anything they want, including going to Talos IV if they so choose. General Order 7 needs to get waaaaaay expanded in scope. Also, they completely drop the whole legal matter of Spock having committed a capital crime (of which he's totally guilty, by the way), but that's par for the course in Trek happy endings.
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May 25, 2018 05:04
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bull3964 posted:This guy talks about them. Weird, I’m familiar with those uniforms but I had no idea they were repurposed from TMP. I always thought they were made for TWOK.
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May 25, 2018 05:05
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Weird, I’m familiar with those uniforms but I had no idea they were repurposed from TMP. I always thought they were made for TWOK. Yup. Robert Fletcher really earned his paycheck on that one.
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May 25, 2018 05:06
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Watching the Menagerie PART TWO. They gave a full recap just in case. Kirk narrated, which I actually kind of like better than how they did in in TNG and every other 90s show where it was just a series of clips and then "and now..." I always thought they should do 'previously on's like that, with a straight up explanation rather than random nonsensical clips.
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May 25, 2018 05:16
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bull3964 posted:Yup. Robert Fletcher really earned his paycheck on that one. I would have to check, but I believe the Monster Maroons and the trapunto, the effects work for the battles and the nebula, getting Nimoy back on board, and getting Montalban were the biggest costs on Wrath of Khan. But, yeah, Fletcher did exactly what Bob Sallin told him to do: Make it better but use everything we have in the closets.
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May 25, 2018 05:46
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MikeJF posted:I always thought they should do 'previously on's like that, with a straight up explanation rather than random nonsensical clips. They should do it more like the midpoint of "Encounter at Farpoint" where Riker sits down and watches this hyperkinetically edited clip show of the first episode with no context.
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May 25, 2018 06:37
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MikeJF posted:I always thought they should do 'previously on's like that, with a straight up explanation rather than random nonsensical clips. That's silly, it's not like they have an established framing device they could re-use for that, such as the Captain starting off most episodes by explaining background information for the events of the episode.
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May 25, 2018 08:13
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Timby posted:Original concept art for The Motion Picture had that conference between Kirk and Spock and McCoy having both nacelles visible through the window: Couldn't that just be a viewscreen rather than a window
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May 25, 2018 09:37
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Oh poo poo, sorry I was watching D Sixty 9 Stuff like this makes me think that, if we ever get a real Space Station 69, it'll have to print "Not as fun as it sounds" just under the name by all the entrances.
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