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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


HD DAD posted:

This is honestly the best format for me. Give me a 12 episode season made up of three three-parters, and three standalone episodes where they can do something batshit.

Babylon 5 had a good format too. There's a single over-arching story for the entire five seasons, but still plenty of one-offs and smaller plot arcs and stuff. It has a great mix of serialized and standalone.

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Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Buttchocks posted:

. Maybe if Starfleet Academy taught their cadets about safety factor, they wouldn't have control panels explode regularly and a holodeck that thirsts for blood.

It is a longrunning problem. In Relics we find out Scotty had to falsify his reports to incorporate a safety factor.

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Buttchocks posted:

I'm watching the TNG episode "Interface" from season 7, and everyone is mindbogglingly stupid. They designed a probe for exploring unsafe environments with a sensory interface capable of killing the user. Great job, chief engineer. They are aware enough of the danger to put in an emergency cut-off on the sensory inputs......at 98% of maximum tolerance. They didn't go above 70% during testing, and just assumed there wouldn't be any problems going higher than that. Maybe if Starfleet Academy taught their cadets about safety factor, they wouldn't have control panels explode regularly and a holodeck that thirsts for blood.

Risk is our business

*ejects from my ship as it hits a space bump and explodes itself killing 1000 people including my barber and kids*

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

HD DAD posted:

This is honestly the best format for me. Give me a 12 episode season made up of three three-parters, and three standalone episodes where they can do something batshit.

Sounds like the classic Doctor Who, averaged 4- and 6-parters of half hour episodes, that were mostly self-contained, and there was a mostly continuous through-line for it all without involving much of an overarching plot except in a couple of isolated seasons.

Somewhere in the range of that seems pretty ideal for Star Trek. Even DS9 isn't far outside of that; for the most part, even during the war while the episodes are linked, they tend to be definite beginning-middle-end episodes and not just "Part 4 of 26"

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Speaking of falsifying reports, how crime is it to take a vehicle inspection report and change the dates and print out another copy?

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Grand Fromage posted:

Babylon 5 had a good format too. There's a single over-arching story for the entire five seasons, but still plenty of one-offs and smaller plot arcs and stuff. It has a great mix of serialized and standalone.

I agree, but for Star Trek I think I prefer less overarching story. I like it to be more "weird space adventures" than "big war's a-comin'," and while I'm sure there are other great, more fitting, overarching stories one could come up with for Star Trek, realistically isn't that what we're going to get?

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



side_burned posted:

There is a very strong argument that Far Beyond the Stars is the single best episode in the history of Star Trek. The the whole cast is puts in one great performances after an other, while playing characters that are complete different from who the usually play. Its good just so very good.
I heard that they strongly considered having the ending of DS9 be Benny again, but they decided that this would be a little too... final, a bit too General Hospital.

Khanstant posted:

Speaking of falsifying reports, how crime is it to take a vehicle inspection report and change the dates and print out another copy?
I would say it depends if the vehicle has warp drive or not.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




thotsky posted:

more than tng, less than ds9?

Buffy was basically a new overarching plot per season, but because it was 24 episodes they'd basically introduce/hint at it towards the start, and then have one-offs episodics with occasional arc things peppered in and little hints towards it that would get more and more common towards the end until it crescendoed in the season finale. Big epic battle, reset, start the new season fresh, but oh no a new threat is lurking...

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Apr 14, 2021

V-Men
Aug 15, 2001

Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.

MikeJF posted:

Personally I think the Buffy type and level of serialisation would be ideal for Star Trek.

Person of Interest or maybe even Fringe did it right by me. Give me mini-arcs resolve after a few episodes but move the overall plot along eventually, with standalone episodes in bewteen.

side_burned
Nov 3, 2004

My mother is a fish.

That twitter account owns.

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!
I just watched It's Only a Paper Moon and I'm not gonna lie, that might be my favorite goddamn episode of this show.

Kibayasu
Mar 28, 2010

Vic’s short speech at the end always felt like a way too simplistic take on mental health issues but other than that, yeah.

Bayham Badger
Jan 19, 2007

Secretly force socialism, communism and imperialism types of government onto the people of the United States of America.

Speaking of It's Only A Paper Moon, Vic Fontaine is a great counterpoint to people who say you can't introduce a good character in the final season of a series and expect them to be memorable. maybe those people don't exist, I'm not sure.

But yeah, great episode, great conceit, fun design aesthetic (I loved the decision to lean on 1960s culture in DS9 in general) and solid performances from Eisenberg and James Darren.

sunday at work
Apr 6, 2011

"Man is the animal that thinks something is wrong."
It's probably not a big category but Badda-Bing Badda-Bang is hard to beat for a last fun episode before we wrap things up.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



RIP to a legend

https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1382354829234831360?s=21

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Journey's End was on the other day, and for some reason it made me think of this:

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


What if Wesley was Lucas from SeaQuest but also evil

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Sash! posted:

What if Wesley was Lucas from SeaQuest but also evil

Computer, get me Evil Dolphin in Cetacean Ops

(does that department have jokes about tursioperations truncatus)

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
Yes and it's not by accident, if you get my drift

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Hubbardologist posted:

Speaking of It's Only A Paper Moon, Vic Fontaine is a great counterpoint to people who say you can't introduce a good character in the final season of a series and expect them to be memorable. maybe those people don't exist, I'm not sure.

If they did exist they might be quick to point out that Vic Fontaine first appeared in season six.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017



Binary Badger posted:

Journey's End was on the other day, and for some reason it made me think of this:



Star Trek TNG: Wesley Tortures Lenin in an Agony Booth

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Binary Badger posted:

Journey's End was on the other day, and for some reason it made me think of this:



Not gonna lie, it took me a few seconds to realize that was Wesley. Even long to figure out if that was Picard or Sisko in the agony booth.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


The agony booth is so powerful that it transforms the person inside into a superposition of Picard and Sisko, a Siskord, the only entity capable of feeling that level of pain.

Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!
I know nothing about comics and even less about Trek comics, but I was shocked to learn those hilariously bad Mirror Broken issues came out a few years ago and not like 1997.

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

Vic Fontaine is memorable but he isn’t a good character and it’s weird that the same show that contained “Far Beyond the Stars” decided to send that up.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Vic sucks, but Paper Moon is great and the heist one barely manages to stand on its own

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

I'm just a total piece of shit and I'm not sure why I keep posting on this site. Christ, I have spent years with idiots giving me bad advice about online dating and haven't noticed that the thread I'm in selects for people that can't talk to people worth a damn.
vics cool

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Star Trek TNG: Wesley Tortures Lenin in an Agony Booth

I thought it was the mirror universe version of the 'come with me, cupcake' guy

except he made the mistake of asking eeeevul wesley this question

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


King Hong Kong posted:

Vic Fontaine is memorable but he isn’t a good character


The soulless minions of orthodoxy are checking in

HD DAD
Jan 13, 2010

Generic white guy.

Toilet Rascal
I liked when mirror vic was a real person with exactly zero explanation

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


HD DAD posted:

I liked when mirror vic was a real person with exactly zero explanation

Correct handling of the mirror universe

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

Grand Fromage posted:

The soulless minions of orthodoxy are checking in

It’s ok not to like parts of an otherwise good thing.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


how have I never seen this

jeeves
May 27, 2001

Deranged Psychopathic
Butler Extraordinaire
Because almost all of those Masters of Horror episodes flipping suck

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


oh thats a bummer

I might watch that one just for the novelty of Jeffrey Combs as Edgar Allen Poe

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Vic is good. Some bad takes happening in this thread today.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


FlamingLiberal posted:

Vic is good. Some bad takes happening in this thread today.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001



I just noticed Johnny Cash Machine there in the corner. Dig that set design baby!

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.

nine-gear crow posted:

Not gonna lie, it took me a few seconds to realize that was Wesley. Even long to figure out if that was Picard or Sisko in the agony booth.

More like Bruce Willis to me

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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Huh, I've never seen that: a rendering of the model that Drexler did that got approved for the NX-01 before, to quote Drexler,

quote:

Apparently someone walked into Mr. Berman’s office and said, 'Cool! It looks just like Kirk's ship!', and that was the end of that. That was a real beating. 'Use the Akira!' came the order.

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