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Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Maybe there's something wrong with the universe.

# ¿ Jul 5, 2016 21:00

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 14:41

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

I have a copy of the Phase II pilot script "In Thy Image" that eventually got adapted into TMP. It's description of Earth is 1000% Roddenberry.

Kirk does down to Golden Gate Park to pick up Disco Beard McCoy and Earth is described as being Garden of Eden-like, with the script specifically calling out for people to be walking around who would implied to be naked, as well as animals like Leopards that are somehow tamed and around people like it isn't a big deal, which is where Kirk finds McCoy, taking care of one of leopards.

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

While I generally hate Roddenberry's insistence on making Star Trek a completely boring utopia and note that the movies where he is least involved are the best, I am OK with him protecting Kirk's character from "actually he's a dumb rear end in a top hat, guilty of war crimes!"

Behold the quintessential devil of these matters, James T. Kirk renegade and terrorist!

EDIT:

WickedHate posted:

Plus, if fan reaction was already bad in the first season, there would have been riots and lynching if that plot point came to pass. Burning down the original beloved series and salting the earth isn't that endearing.

Going by the handful of Usenet posts I've been able to dig up from 1987, people really didn't like TNG at first. Which is admittedly understandable when you look at the first 4 episodes of the series.

Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jul 6, 2016

# ¿ Jul 6, 2016 18:11

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apophenium posted:

Got to chat with Grand Magus Zek at a socialist conference this past weekend. He's cool and definitely not a fan of Ferengi economic policies.

That's up there with the fact that Armin Shimerman was on the board of the Screen Actors Guild while he was filming the DS9 episode Bar Association (the one where Rom unionizes Quark's bar).

# ¿ Jul 6, 2016 18:58

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Baka-nin posted:

One time when filming an episode of DS9 there was an earthquake of small to medium size for California. Filming was put on hold while everyone tried to find out if their homes and loved ones were okay. Armin rushed home to check for damage, and gave a lift to two Cardassian characters who lived nearby. They were all in full makeup and costume, and Armin drove a convertible. No reports of an Orson Wells style invasion hysteria though, sadly.

Was that the Northridge earthquake?

Edit: It was, and it happened during the filming of "Profit and Loss."

Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 6, 2016

# ¿ Jul 6, 2016 20:56

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Was G-Rod the one who leaked that Spock was going to die in TWOK?

I do know that that leak forced Meyer to rewrite TWOK a fair bit, moving Spock's actual death to the end of the movie and adding a fakeout death to the Kobayashi Maru scene in the beginning.

Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 7, 2016

# ¿ Jul 7, 2016 00:20

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WickedHate posted:

Oh yeah. Douchbag supreme. Star Wars fans can take solace in knowing George Lucas will never be as much of a dick, unless any Jimmy Sevile-esque secrets get revealed.

I mean, George Lucas never wrote lyrics for the Star Wars theme song that were never intended to be used just so he could take half of John Williams' royalties.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2016 00:37

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Contractually, he had to be given the scripts to read and he could give notes, but the producers/writers and directors were under no obligation to follow those notes.

i.e. if Gene read the script for Wrath of Khan and came back the note that said "Saavik should have huge tits and hate clothes." Meyer and Bennett were not under any legal or contractual requirement to do that.

Instant Sunrise fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Jul 7, 2016

# ¿ Jul 7, 2016 00:51

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

How many other shows had a letter writing campaign to save a character who hadn't even appeared on the show at the time?

# ¿ Jul 7, 2016 01:56

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Star Man posted:

wait what

Remember Chief Engineer Argyle? One of the chief engineers during TNG season 1? One of ideas they had for season 1 was that the Ent-D was too large and complex for one chief engineer to handle, so they had like 4 that they'd rotate through on the show.

For the guy who played Argyle, he very much wanted to be the only engineer on the enterprise, so his agent started a "save Chief Argyle" campaign.

Only they jumped the gun and started sending "save chief argyle postcards" before any of the episodes with him in it even aired.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2016 02:13

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WickedHate posted:

He also made sure there was a scene in the pilot set in Engineering so they'd have to build a set for it, or else the entire show would have mostly just used the bridge.

It's not even really a scene, it's like one or two shots of Picard walking across engineering and taking the little elevator up to the second level.

Although one of my favorite stories about Encounter at Farpoint was that Gene really wanted it to be a 1 hour pilot, having been burned on "In Thy Image." Paramount pushed back and really wanted a 2 hour TV movie.

Paramount won that fight so Gene and the rest of the writers went back and padded out the script by adding in the whole Q subplot.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2016 02:27

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remusclaw posted:

Has the natural walk of a striptease queen.

For context.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2016 04:13

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

That space TV scene was much shorter than that.

Also, I don't think he would have killed everyone if he'd flubbed the docking; worst case is he dings the ship up and maybe busts a docking latch or something.

It's important to remember that that when a pilot gets made, it's trying to set the tone of how a typical episode will go (and in the face of the bigger shows, trying to set up the premise as well), so adding the saucer separation to far point was them saying "we expect to be doing this in almost every episode."

Also the original plan was to put as many visual effects shots into the pilot so they could just reuse that footage a'la Battlestar Galactica.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2016 17:22

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WickedHate posted:

I can't think of another time it was ever used except for Generations anyway.

Errand of Mercy

# ¿ Jul 7, 2016 17:32

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# ¿ Jul 8, 2016 03:41

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Star Trek is the most progressive show, just look at episodes like "The Paradise Syndrome," "Code of Honor," "Turnabout Intruder," "Profit and Lace," "Tattoo," or "Unexpected."

# ¿ Jul 9, 2016 17:11

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

That's Picard's dad. He was a winemaker who died in an offscreen fire.

fixed.

# ¿ Jul 10, 2016 01:26

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Paramount had been discussing a Trek movie as early as 1974, and might well have gotten one out prior to Star Wars if Roddenberry hadn't dug his heels in over minor money issues. (Not as in "oh, money is so minor, this is art we're talking about", but as in "nickles and dimes")

I would have liked to have seen the Spock kills Kennedy movie.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2016 18:23

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Star Trek has always been extremely consistent since it began.

The Enterprise has always been a part of the United Earth Space Probe Agency. Spock was always a Vulcanian. Uhura only ever wore a gold uniform.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2016 20:50

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OneThousandMonkeys posted:

All the Picard love-life episodes are tied for The Worst.

Tapestry was good though.

# ¿ Jul 11, 2016 22:46

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

Something like First Contact's "slowly converting the Enterprise into a borg ship" would have been so much more effective with the Ent D instead of the brand new Enterprise E.

Because the Enterprise D is a ship that the viewers have come to know over 7 years of TV, and watching it slowly get turned into a Borg ship before Picard has to sacrifice it via self-destruct would be so much more powerful emotionally.

# ¿ Jul 12, 2016 18:11

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FlamingLiberal posted:

It still boggles my mind that they couldn't be bothered to have consistent uniforms either....rather than get a whole new set of the DS9 version uniforms, they had like half TNG ones and half DS9. So lazy.

I had a friend who was former Navy and she insisted that was actually pretty realistic. The Navy would roll out new uniforms and you'd have a year to get the new one. So during that transitional period, you'd have half the ship on the old one and half the ship on the new one.

# ¿ Jul 12, 2016 22:58

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

There's also a book floating around about the production of Phase II, and even includes the pilot script for "In Thy Image" (which became TMP) and "Devil's Due," which became a season 4 TNG episode.

# ¿ Jul 13, 2016 00:38

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

I almost ended up working on Phase II/New Voyages doing some G&E work but they moved the scene they were gonna shoot in LA back to the East Coast to it didn't work out. :shrug:

And I know that Cawley has been really cool about CBS/Paramount so he's definitely trying to stay in the clear with them.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2016 17:07

Instant Sunrise: Apr 12, 2007; The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

I've been avoiding this thread until I saw Beyond, which I finally did.

I thought it was a good movie, I liked the Enterprise references that the plot was built on. I'm honestly amazed that they were able to have "the power of rock and roll" be the big superweapon and somehow make it work.

I really wasn't expecting it to be good, but I was pleasantly surprised.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2016 06:36

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Tears In A Vial posted:

I'm two minutes thirty into TNGs Fear of a Black Planet episode, and Tasha has immediately - and needlessly - assaulted a visiting dignitary that has valuable medicine they need. Deanna later advises Picard not to apologise, but for a couple minutes he's just chill like, yes this is all going very well.

One thing that a lot of people like to point out about this episode is that one of the writers would later go on to write a very similar episode for Stargate SG-1 called "Emancipation." The main difference being that instead of a planet full of black people, it's Mongolians.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2016 19:31

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cenotaph posted:

It's the worst in terms of offensiveness but The Alternative Factor is the worst written episode of Trek. The pacing is just so awful. It's got about 10 minutes of plot.

The Paradise Syndrome

# ¿ Sep 14, 2016 20:39

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Delsaber posted:

I find Miri pretty goddamned unwatchable, but maybe not quite as terrible as these other examples.

Voyager gets much worse than Threshold. Retrospect is offensive as poo poo, Spirit Folk is completely irredeemable, and Alice is just loving baffling.

Tattoo is also pretty bad, even more so once you know about the Jamake Highwater poo poo.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2016 20:44

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Brint Spiner knows what he did.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2017 19:03

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I would watch a Star Trek where Peter Capaldi played a captain that was basically just Malcolm Tucker from The Thick of It.

# ¿ Sep 8, 2017 23:08

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A Star Trek series where a media fuckup by a low level political in the federation ends up committing them to taking a side in a Klingon-Romulan War

# ¿ Sep 8, 2017 23:25

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Somebody go usenet diving on google groups to see what people thought of this when it was airing.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2017 23:36

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HUIZAR, RONALD A. posted:

Denise Crosby as a Romulan?
9/12/1991
In two episodes this season I noticed that Denise Crosby was working with the Romulans. I cannot remember the titile for this one but it was the one where Goerdi gets programmed by the Romulans. You do not see a face but the voice that comes out of the shadowy figure is Denise Crosbys. And in the Redemption the voice from the shadows was Denise's and it was her who stepped out of the shadow at the end of the prgram.

I have had some people say that they thing it is Tasha from back when she went through the time portal in the Enterprise -C. Others think that it is just Denise playing a Romulan.

What is the scoop on this. I am curious as to what the story behind Denise's re-appearance.

Ronald A. Huizar, No trailer yet.

Jedidiah Jon Palosaari posted:

cliffhanger and unnamed romulan (possible *SPOILER*)
9/17/1991
It seems very likely to me that the woman staring Picard in the face is actually Tasha. Think about it.

Ideas have been hacked out about *how* Tasha could come to be with the Romulans. As to her youthful appearance, I hope 24th century cosmetics have advanced enough so that an individual can, if they so choose, look younger than they actually are. And from Mind's Eye we know how adept the Romulans are at brainwashing. They've just had longer to do it with Tasha, and so have have progressed further, so that now she supports the Romulan empire!

Michael Rawdon posted:

Why "Redemption II" Will Stink
9/10/1991
Why am I responding to this? I don't know. No, yes I do. (I do? Yeah!)
I just told you: it's late. How about that?

Jason Snell posted:
Hi, folks. I'm about to do something incredibly stupid, but what the heck...

That's okay. I do it habitually. Fortunately, we have people who respond to us, which just encourages it (and reveals their own innate stupidity as well).

No, I didn't say that. That would be insulting. (No, really?)

I'd better put a smiley in: :-)

Jason Snell posted:
I was just thinking.. (miracle of miracles!) and have come to a sad conclusion about "Redemption II" before I've heard a word about it from anyone anywhere, before I see it in, oh, 15 days...

It's going to stink.

And I *liked* part one.

Why will it stink?

Well, because you can't resolve a civil war and a romulan conspiracy to change the course of the Klingon empire in one episode.

You mean you've been under a delusion that it's going to change the course of Klingon history? Gosh. Seems kind of unlikely to me. But maybe.

Jason Snell posted:
But on top of that, you can't try to do all the above while also trying to explain away the "is it Tasha or is it not" etc. etc. cliffhanger. Do you get the sense that no matter what they do, this will be incredibly contrived?

It was contrived three months ago. :-)

Jason Snell posted:
Either she's somehow related to Tasha, which is ridiculous, or she's not, in which case the whole cliffhanger is completely pointless.

Ahem! :-)

Jason Snell posted:
"Uh, she just happens to look like her!" is lame, but the other possible: "We altered her features so she looked just like Tasha!"

Vidiot, you've seen the synopsis, so you know how they do it... but before I've heard a word, I just thought I'd say that I was hoping they'd stretch this plot out past one show. Doesn't look like they will. And, hey, they've got to get Worf back on the big E while they're at it!

If I'm wrong, I'll be very, very happy. But my expectations are low... not like last summer, when I was really looking forward to BOBW2.

Low expecations can be nice. More chance for you to be pleasantly surprised.

Jason Snell posted:
Sigh.

We now return the control of this terminal to you...

We control the horizontal, we control the vertical...

--
Michael Rawdon U Wisconsin - Madison
raw...@cs.wisc.edu

Of course, the above is true for more general values of 5.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2017 00:00

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Wheat Loaf posted:

Averaged something like 10 million households per episode throughout its run. Very steady across all seven seasons as well; no big drop-off toward the end compared with the earlier seasons. Probably something to do with the syndication arrangement. Cursory look at Wikipedia seems to indicate that the highest-rated episodes were "Encounter at Farpoint" and "All Good Things" at either end and both parts of "Unification" in the middle.

To the best of my knowledge, the most popular programme in America at the time (for TNG's first five seasons) was The Cosby Show, which usually had over 20 million on average.

Also according to Wikipedia, "All Good Things" was rated #2 behind episodes of Seinfeld and Home Improvement.

Cosby Show was popular enough at the time to justify preempting news coverage of the LA Riots just to show the finale.

Now though, yikes.

# ¿ Sep 10, 2017 01:41

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skasion posted:

It's fine, but it's no Faith of the Heart

i prefer this version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0ilQyFJH8c

# ¿ Sep 12, 2017 19:54

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Enterprise started out as The X-Files but Star Trek, and ended up trying to be Battlestar Galactica but Star Trek.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 00:00

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CBSAA is CBS making literally the exact same mistake that Paramount made with UPN in the 90's.

"Hey the other guys are starting their own networks (FOX then, Netflix now) and being successful, let's do that, but with a new Star Trek as the big selling point."

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 17:57

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It's not Star Trek till you do an episode with your captain reading the preamble of the constitution to a group of cavemen.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2017 19:37

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Star Trek is the show that aired a mealy-mouthed pro-Johnson episode about about a not-Vietnam allegory 3 days into the Tet Offensive.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2017 19:54

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Drink-Mix Man posted:

I get the impression every show producer since Voyager has just been dying to make a socially-relevant Trek, but literally the only thing they ever think of is "Trek does the morally gray post-9/11 world." They keep making the same "fresh take" on that motif over and over seemingly oblivious that the show/movie right before it already did it practically the same way.

It's worth pointing out that "A Private Little War" was one of the hot takes TOS did on the Vietnam War, and that episode aired 3 days in to what historians consider the major turning point in public perception against the war. And the episode itself was this ham-handed "intervention is bad but the other guys are doing it so we have to do it too or else we'll upset the balance of power or else something something domino theory."

# ¿ Sep 25, 2017 20:19

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 14:41

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

I actually disagree about "A Private Little War". What Kirk did in that case may or may not have been the Right Thing To Do, but I admire the fact that he saw enough nuance in the situation that he followed the spirit of the Prime Directive if not the letter of the law. Too often in TNG, they were so rigid in following the letter of the law that they violated its spirit . A good example of that is "Homeward".

Though at the same time, I agree that the arguments in favor of giving Tyree's people flintlocks were nearly identical to the arguments in favor of intervening in Vietnam.

A Private Little War sold itself as "this is probably not the right thing to do, but what other options do we have?" And it pretty well reflected the Johnson administation's view of containment and domino theory. And the episode was written in 1967 when people were still generally buying Westmoreland's BS about how "The enemy�s hopes are bankrupt."

But it aired 3 days into the Tet Offensive, which was the major turning point for US public opinion about the war. Not because it was a major loss (it essentially decimated the Viet Cong), but because it flew in the face of the BS that Westmoreland was saying, which torpedoed the credibility of the US Military establishment to talk credibly about the war.

# ¿ Sep 25, 2017 20:46

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