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Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Just watched The Ensigns of Command, doing a quarantine watch

Genuinely love that the crew of the Enterprise basically go 'wtf? This is way out of out jurisdiction' and peace out at the end.

I love TNG so much.

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Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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The_Doctor posted:

One of my favourite non-trek bridge designs is this concept for the Nostromo in Alien by Ron Cobb. It’s nicely asymmetrical and multi-level, and I love that windowed section.



Yeah, this really does it for me.

Man, I love sci fi concept art so much. When it's good it can be so evocative, often more than the finished product

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Ah this one's brilliant

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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The_Doctor posted:

SMG’s schtick wears very thin when you realise he’s clearly not watching what he talks about. A lot of his ‘analysis’ depends on him getting (sometimes quite major) plot points wrong. Either he’s terrible at paying attention, only sees what he wants to see when he’s watching, or he’s just going by Wikipedia plot summaries.

He's worth it for the times he does come up with something strikingly insightful, I feel

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Statutory Ape posted:

i was born 9 months before TNG and i come from a family of nerds

i always liked that the crew was friendly to each other and did nice & great things

it was very disconcerting to see a model of humans working nicely together and then, not even very slowly, understand that that was the fictional part of trek, if we were already in space

everybody's individuality & rights were so important and it was always shown to judge people on the merit of their character and not things like their ancillary attributes. watching the captain or worf (and others) make mistakes about how they treated people or judged people incorrectly on things, and then talk about why it was bad and wrong just made it seem so simple

it also gave other very easy to understand life lessons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMKtKNZw4Bo

When I was a kid I was mostly just in it for the pew pew and spaceships but now that I'm old this is definitely what I like best about Trek

I was also born into it, TNG is the first non-kid's tv thing I ever remember watching. Armus scared the poo poo out of me. He was my biggest fear in the whole world for awhile

EDIT here's another clip I like. In a lesser show Riker would get into a big macho beef with the guy, but the way he handles this is perfect and an excellent example for masculinity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDJTG12NTg4

Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Aug 16, 2020

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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bull3964 posted:

Sitting here on Monday morning trying not to do a spit take with my coffee when someone refers to LeVar Burton as "that actor."

Eh if you're not American you're not likely to be familiar with him except as Geordi

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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It was the first Trek I saw in the cinema, so it'll always have a special place in my heart.

Seeing the big D up on the big screen was a trip for a kid who grew up on TNG and had practically memorised the technical manual.

Also I really loved the main theme.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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MikeJF posted:

The best part of generations is how sexy the D looks wait that came out wrong perfectly

That shot where she pulls a hard turn and warps away from the shockwave thrilled me when I was a kid. It was so cool to see the D perform more dynamically

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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bull3964 posted:

I really appreciated the fact that the didn't feel the need to go faster than the speed of light to get away from the exploding star which would have been happening at sublight speeds.

Certainly beats the multi-system Romulan empire destroying red matter supernova in JJTrek

EDIT I may be mistaken and it may have only destroyed the one system. Whatever, it was still dumb

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The_Doctor posted:

All these lovely shots.



yesssss

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Nessus posted:

The Roddenberry vision was mystifying, but a lighter version where the core crew do not seem to all loathe each other or be laden with secret agendas seems to be part of what has made TNG work so well. Indeed a lot of the core premise sacrifice in Voyager could be summarized as, they laid that on a crew where that made no sense - meanwhile there was a fairly modest amount of it in DS9.

The crew being well-adjusted professionals and basically decent and respectful people is what really sets TNG apart, especially nowadays where 'good character writing' too often means 'tough and cynical people making tough and cynical decisions toughly and cynically'

'No interpersonal conflict, everyone is perfect' is definitely mystifying though

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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BB2K posted:

I'm not a huge trek guy, but I've had some free time recently and have been watching tng, and this is so refreshing and makes it so nice to watch. Its so so so pleasant and fun but not dumb. I love it. I just watched the enemy from season 3, where jordi has to work with an injured Romulan to get off a stormy planet. It was so good.

Yeah it's great. TNG is like a warm bubble bath for me because of this (and the fact that it was such a fundamental part of my childhood my brain basically formed around it). It's been lockdown comfort food for awhile.

The world is bleak, insane and hopeless enough already. The world needs more optimistic, idealistic TV.

womb with a view posted:

I do find it kind of jarring when you have plots where someone doesn't fit right into this perfect world though, and Geordi flips out on them. Like Barclay's first episode, or the one where Scotty shows up and Picard has to tell Geordi to be nice, or the one where Geordi makes a sexy holodeck simulation of a real person. You'd think to get to this utopian ideal you would have to have a basic understanding of things like social anxiety, or being old, or being a woman.

Not unfair, yeah. I wonder if that's down to the time it was made. Or that its writers were nerdlingers and/or mostly men (I don't actually know if either of those are true, though)

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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womb with a view posted:

Riker's got a surprising mean streak in him too, but it's usually for professional incompetence. He doesn't care if you're weird on your own time, but if he thinks it's affecting operations (Ro and Barclay) he doesn't have any time for it.

That's 100% the job of an effective XO, tbf

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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John DeLancie is always the highlight

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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haha this one's great

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Sash! posted:

You know good and well what I mean.

No one can come up to me and plug a module into me that says "being a slave is awesome," but I can do that to any old hologram.

lol ever heard of fox news? People are eminently programmable

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Statutory Ape posted:

its a shame that the ugly enterprise-a got the most movies

Mods?!

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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This owns

Clearly a labour of love. Going to get baked tonight and give this a watch.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZlRt05RY9Y

Skip around, there’s so great stuff in there.

Sometimes it leans a bit too hard into memery and internet humour, but there's so much amazingly creative stuff in this video. I love it

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Man the A is the most beautiful Star Trek ship bar none

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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FlamingLiberal posted:

It’s not clear either, but it appears like they gave the crew like 2 weeks of a crash course in 32nd century tech before sending them on their way

Honestly one of my biggest complaints with Season 3 is that the tech we see is not that impressive for being like 800 years after TNG

I really don't think most TV writers are up to the challenge of writing insane, hyper-advanced, Culture-style futuretech, because it breaks an awful lot of stock stories, scenarios and cliches. The ST:D writers especially are barely capable of decent 'standard' sci-fi plots...

EDIT and I guess that overall people probably don't want extremely speculative sci-fi stories, they want 21st century dramatic situations with more pew pew

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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I dunno, I like the Constellation quite a lot.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Binary Badger posted:

Before or after it met the planet killer?

:v:

Emrikol posted:

The Constellation's decent, but I think they went too hard on visually selling it as old and antiquated. It looks downright crude.

That's what I like about it. It's a mean little tugboat thing. It's not a showpiece ship like an Ambassador or a Galaxy or even a Nebula, it's a 9 to 5 blue collar working ship

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Dec 24, 2007

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John Wick of Dogs posted:

I realize he's like the 4th most important character in 1 out of these 4 movies, but I don't think the 7th Heaven pedophile needs to be on the cover

By process of elimination are you talking a out the dude who played Deckard?

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Chiming in as another Orville convert, and alo as someone with a similar reaction to MacFarlane which stopped me trying it for ages. Then I did try it, and really disliked the first episode, so shelved it for years. Then went back again, and by the end of the second I was pretty convinced. It kept getting better from there.

It really is a great show, and the cast is honestly one of it's best aspects. It does really good Trekk-y stores, and the universe is pretty well thought out, but they're a fundamentally likeable bunch and it's fun to watch them interact. Even MacFarlane.

And then there's the single best part of the whole thing, which is Bortus.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Sulu was always one of my favourites of the TOS crew. I dunno why, I think I just like a quietly competent and solidly reliable dude

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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John Wick of Dogs posted:

Everyone dislikes Lwaxana when they are young.

They think "Why is this annoying old lady hassling all the cool Starfleet people?"

Then when you are older you watch and you are like
"Why are all these stuffy Starfleet losers treating Lwaxana like she's an annoying burden? This chick rules"

This is extremely accurate, haha

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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I had a few of those figures when I was a kid - not the cool obscure ones, just Riker, Geordi, Data, Worf, etc

The phasers came with, like, the beam coming out of them, it looked stupid. I used to bite that poo poo off

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Bullshit, Riker's into jazz and not a bolshy arsehole, he wouldn't be into coke, he'd be into weed and viagra

(and maybe heroin too, that's how a lot of the old jazz guys did :smith:)

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

This is basically every single sci-fi author of note, ever. You just get used to picking your poison.

Absolutely, though some are worse than others.

I couldn't finish Peter F. Hamilton's The Reality Dysfunction. It was loving gross

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Bucswabe posted:

I'm working my way through "excession" as my first Culture series book. It's pretty enjoyable for many of the concepts it raises but it honestly makes me feel like a dummy trying to digest it. There are so many odd names, references to places and races I don't know anything about, and a super advanced vocabulary, not to mention all the tech talk and and gibberish code.

Maybe I'm just a bad reader... But are the other books any more accessible than that one?

It's not a good one to start off with. I would quit out for now and start with Player of Games, which is much less convoluted. Once you're more familiar with how the universe works you'll find Excession easier

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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LividLiquid posted:

Wil Wheaton was interviewing some Doctor or other when he asked them how to drive the TARDIS. The Doctor responded, basically, "that's a closely-kept secret passed from Doctor to Doctor and I can't share it with you," to which Wheaton offered to show them how to drive the Enterprise and they shut him down.

It was pretty embarrassing to watch.

Bill Hartnell really did come up with specific functions for the various buttons, which is kinda sweet

I wouldn't be at all surprised if latter day Doctors did the same thing, especially the ones who were pre-existing Who nerds

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Winifred Madgers posted:

Spock:  Robot body?  No way!  That goes against the natural order.

Kirk:  Well, you'd have the strength of five men.

Spock:  I got that now!

Sulu:  Not five men, five Mugatos!  But, since you're that strong, if you try to pet a tribble, you'd crush it.

Oh no! Poor tribble! :smith:

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Mooseontheloose posted:

I do not why but Skin of Evil seems to work for me as an episode even though everything around it SEEMS so cheesy.

Scared the absolute poo poo out of me as a kid. Nightmares of Armus oozing under my bedroom door to come kill me for years

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Brawnfire posted:

If you ever find that somehow, rip it and stick it on archive.org please

I spend literal hours blazed and poking through old broadcast TV

lol I thought I was the only one who did this

Watching old VHS recordings of early to mid 2000s Adult Swim while getting high - across the gulf of time itself!!! - with all the night owl stoners of the past

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Brawnfire posted:

It's a whole rear end mood, isn't it

Like I guess I could watch Netflix

Or I could watch Commander USA present a lovely horror film in the late 80s complete with ads, or an hour of Japanese television from the 90s... Before I know it, it's like three am

It takes the choice out of your hands, which is really refreshing. I get enormous choice anxiety with streaming, and TV is kinda depressing these days

So sometimes it's nice to just relax and let the TV people from 20 or 30 or 40 years ago show you what they got

Old MTV also rules

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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I watched The Most Toys last night after being reminded of it by this thread

It is, indeed, a top tier TNG episode.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Hollismason posted:

Got to The Devil's Due which is a loving baller of a episode

Yeah it's great, it's Trek as heck

Feels like something TOS would've done, and it's done with aplomb


davidspackage posted:

In hindsight I really hated the concept of the emotion chip, it was a weird shortcut. Data so obviously has low-level emotions, he can be curious, concerned, embarrassed, and a whole bunch of other things.

Absolutely - I was actually thinking exactly this when I was watching The Most Toys the other day. Spiner's performance is clearly supposed to relate the character's feelings. He may not be quick to anger, but you can't tell me he isn't low-level pissed after Donnie ices that lady

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Epicurius posted:

Devil's Due was actually an adaptation of a Phase II script.

Huh, no way! Well there you go

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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Tighclops posted:

berman had the kazoo removed for making sounds that were too noticeable and not bland enough

lmao

also yeah, that's from Future Imperfect

source: me, having coincidentally watched it last night

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Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

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