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I don't keep up with production news, so I've just found out Discovery season 3 has been pushed back because of covid. Bummer  Talking uniforms, Disco's pants should have had flares.
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G-III posted:When I first saw ST09 I enjoyed it for the same reasons: lots of energy, lots of fun, full of charm but I didn't rewatch until 10 years later in 2019 and... good god, what was I thinking? And then it was exciting and interesting ! I remember a huge surge of hope swelling in me when, near the start, the dude got sucked out into space and his screams were cut off. And that's the same moment my Trekkier friend said she'd also begun to feel it might be a decent movie too. My theory is that the very low expectations for Star Trek at the time meant it just blew everyone's minds by being fun and watchable.
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Jul 19, 2020 12:52
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Re the comics chat, they made Harry Mudd just dreamy I want to pat that beard like a cat.
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Jul 22, 2020 10:20
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thotsky posted:I am also trying to get through TOS in fits and starts. I don't think it is all that great. It's an old TV show, with some charming actors. It's much more theatrical that modern TV, and sometimes has some interesting concepts. If you're into the production side at all it's great to watch the props, laugh at the mirrored light shone onto Kirk's face during "intense" shots, and enjoy the switch in and out of soft focus during a conversation between a man and a woman. It's generally a hopeful show too, even if it does clumsily trip over its own feet with the sexism. There are a handful of actually good episodes, my personal favourite is The City on the Edge of Forever, but they're not all winners, and some are just a white noise plot, some fisticuffs, then flying away. The misogyny actually lead to a real world conversation - there was some comment Kirk made about one of the women would leave the crew once she got married. It blew my friend's mind when I explained that until fairly recently women in many jobs (including the public service) were required to leave their job once they got married. Acknowledging that misogyny exists in many forms is something that old Star Trek is still achieving.
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Jul 27, 2020 00:46
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Arivia posted:What do you think of Tom Paris and B'Elanna Torres, then? Their relationship was flat, and often verged on abusive.
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Jul 28, 2020 01:07
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I liked thinking of the borg as an infection - nobody 'made' them, (or at least, not intending for them to be what they are) and they don't think so much as try out anything and success is selected for. Building conduits throughout the galaxy is just something that was successful at propagating borgness. (yeah, I know that doesn't mesh with a lot of borg lore). Now that there's a borg queen essentially at the centre of a hive, I'd love if there were wars between borg similar to ants invading other nests.
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Aug 24, 2020 11:10
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Naomi Wildman died. I wonder if they ever told her that her real mother got murdered/blown up and that she herself was just an alternate version of the real Naomi?
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Aug 27, 2020 01:37
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SardonicTyrant posted:Didn't that also happen to Harry Kim?
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Aug 27, 2020 01:42
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MikeJF posted:Ezri should've been Ezra but they still keep the part where they get back together with worf. In this fanfic I will If you want to do some writing, fanfic isn't a bad place to start. People love expanding on what's on the show in the Trek fandom, and there are some neat ideas people come up with. Trying to find a pairing the Archive finds less appealing I came across Riker/Worf (27 fics), and this darling sounding fic: Field of Flowers "In the evening, Riker helps Worf take care of his hair." I also came across an "art" tagged fic that was a drawing of Spock in fetish gear, so be careful out there (unless you're into that).
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Aug 27, 2020 11:32
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Phew, is it warm in here?  It was Disco Spock, but holy lord do people love them some Spirk.
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Aug 27, 2020 12:56
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Statutory Ape posted:i had an aunt that would attend sci fi conventions starting in the 60s and 70s and she would tell me about all that stuff going on in the context of 'back then' I'm guessing it was a lot less fat, sweaty and neck beardy?
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Aug 28, 2020 01:20
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Angry Salami posted:Star Trek is ruining Science Fiction by bringing in all these Fake Fans who've probably never even read Heinlein or Asimov!  in its stupidity (and sadly too close to real  ). Use your powers for good and do one for the people calling the Trek they don't like "not real Star Trek"  Aggressive gatekeeping is something that really, really drives people away from fandoms and is a big reason some of them end up toxic cesspools of obsessives eating each other. On holograms being sentient - I never really got the point of the EMH being sentient. What's the allegory or moral here? Slavery? Slaves don't start out as a batch of non-sentient clones. Or was he meant to be sentient from the start? And the crew should have recognised his 'humanity' from the beginning? Why would manual labour bother a hologram?
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Aug 28, 2020 13:18
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Statutory Ape posted:the hologram might not hate manual labor but they would be one of the few people on voyager that didn't sign up for a dangerous space mission or consent to their career path or job. To me, that undermines the idea of seeing personhood in something that doesn't immediately remind someone of themselves. Given that the crew are meant to be the heroes, it also has a bit of an unpleasant message that slave-keepers did nothing wrong because they didn't know that the slaves they kept were really people and/or they needed them to do their jobs.
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Aug 28, 2020 13:59
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's not really an allegory or moral, it's just sentience popping up out of nowhere and letting story just flow from that. I assume that he wasn't designed to be sentient and just kinda became that way after being turned on too long, which is how it works for droids in Star Wars. If anything, it's more like a movement for foetal rights. Which I don't think they were going for? Maybe? I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, maybe that was intended. Usually if there's a rights movement in a story it's meant to have a parallel and send a message to the audience about something in the real world, and the EMH just left me confused. I think Statutory Ape has it right with "star trek voyager had some good ideas and concepts they probably could have executed better". Mokelumne Trekka posted:would it be a flaming hot take to suggest TNG is more sexist than TOS?
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Aug 29, 2020 01:48
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Sir Lemming posted:The Prime Directive was a good idea as far as preventing the unintentional repercussions of flying by some culture and trying to solve all their problems without really knowing anything about them. It stops making sense when they get all ultra-Darwinian about it. "This species will die if we don't help them, but that would be polluting their culture, which will totally matter when they're all dead! It's impossible to know what the right choice is!" Which has always felt weak to me. Yeah, you're "responsible" for space Hitler existing, but that doesn't make you responsible for what he does. There is no way to have clean hands, stop pretending like that's possible because you don't interfere and just make the best decisions you can based on the information that you can have. A better way to look at the prime directive is that by not interfering in pre-warp civilisations, you're avoiding homogenising the universe and thereby giving the opportunity for better outcomes/new ideas. You might think a civilisation is barbaric and doomed, but you could come back in five centuries and they've culturally and technologically leapfrogged everyone by doing things in a novel way.
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Aug 29, 2020 03:37
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8one6 posted:Now, I'm of the opinion that if you can intervene to prevent a major disaster (like an asteroid strike) and do it without letting the people you're saving going on to believe that you're gods then it would be unethical not to do it. If you do then you're preferentially saving the people who are already most like you, so basically space (cultural) eugenics. If you don't then you're potentially helping space Hitlers survive, and/or preventing another civilisation from rising the way mammals did after the dinosaurs. What do you think that saving space Hitlers would do to the morale of a ship? Ethics is an absolute minefield.
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Aug 29, 2020 04:32
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8one6 posted:Unless they're space Hitlers right now or will be in the immediate future then the best thing would be to save them. It would have been impossible to predict [gestures widely at 2020] for an alien species that monitored Earth in like the 1st century or the Renaissance. You're also not responsible for any "might have been" civs that could have developed had the current civ not been wiped out by the asteroid made of atomic bombs superman tried to fling into the sun. You've basically chosen to be a God and decide who lives and who dies - some might say you don't have the right. You obviously feel that you have the responsibility. A charitable interpretation of the Prime Directive is that it's about abdicating both of those: you don't get to choose, but you're also not responsible. How much blood you get on your hands following the prime directive is very subjective, and that's why I think that over the years the prime directive has been applied so inconsistently by the writers.
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Aug 29, 2020 05:03
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CharlestheHammer posted:What’s funny is that the prime directive only makes sense in a we can’t decide who lives and dies but that only applies for who lives. If you let everyone die then your not making a choice but if you save everyone you are? Somehow? Most people will say there's a moral difference between not performing the Heimlich maneuver and actively choking a person to death with your hands. Sure, one is 'more passive', but you're saying they're morally equivalent? I like to think of the Prime Directive being the result of humanity taking a big old helping of humble pie and going: Well what the gently caress do we know anyway?
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Aug 30, 2020 00:56
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Paradoxish posted:This isn't an ethically challenging problem, to be honest. Space-related disasters (suns exploding, asteroids)? Extreme volcanic activity that will wipe out civilisations? What about nuclear war that will leave the planet uninhabitable? Plague? Mass starvation? Ritualistic child murder? Surely educating them on farming techniques and away from sacrificing kids to bring the rain can only be a good thing? And educating them to do other things your way to preserve life is fine too? These are all 'easy' for you to solve. You're like a god to them and they are dependent on you. Leave it to each captain where the line is? Then you need to accept widely varying outcomes. CharlestheHammer posted:Honestly yes? I hate that modern culture teaches you passivity absolves you of the effects it has. There's billions of worlds out there - millions of causes of deaths, you going to fix them all? Or acknowledge that the universe is an unfair place, stop trying to have control over the whole thing, and try to build a system that helps people as best you can (the federation)?
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Aug 30, 2020 04:28
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Paradoxish posted:There's a really clear dividing line on your list that starts right after "volcanic activity." Everything else requires directly intervening with a civilization's internal affairs. It's pretty straightforward to have a policy that says you do what you can to avert catastrophes when doing so isn't unduly risky and doesn't force you to reveal yourself to native populations or interact with them in any kind of meaningful way. Swap humans and dolphins with say, Earthians and advanced Martians (all pre-warp) - the Martians are gonna do something dumb and blow up the sun - does humanity get helped by a passing federation ship? I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, I'm saying there isn't an easy answer. Paradoxish posted:But that's besides the point. The core of this is that you aren't morally responsible for bad things that someone else does just because you saved that person's life. The question of how much intervention is too much intervention is challenging and interesting. The question of whether or not it's okay to save a civilization that might turn out to be a bunch of Space Nazis isn't, really. If you don't, and you're saving everyone (including space nazis), from that you might find there are unintended consequences - not least the crew may not feel so good about it. You've now started down the intervention road which, I agree is a challenging question. EDIT: I've said it before and I'll say it again: B'Elanna and Tom's relationship was incredibly toxic, and she'd have been better off hooking up with Vorik Strong Convections fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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Aug 30, 2020 05:18
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New trek is all about Burnham and Tilly sitting on a bed in their room, talking about curly hair and giving each other braids.
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Sep 6, 2020 00:13
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SPOILERS! Gah! I can't believe you ruined the season's hair plot arc.
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Sep 6, 2020 07:10
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They did sort of address it in Voyager I think - where the food he was making early on was gross/inedible because he didn't understand the human palate. And then my memory is telling me he made a cheese that infected the ship because it has some sort of biological circuitry? EDIT: The more confusing inaccuracy is that he's using pounds and fahrenheit when I thought it was established that the Federation was using sensible units? Strong Convections fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Sep 6, 2020 |
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Sep 6, 2020 14:34
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Sash! posted:Fahrenheit is the sensible unit. Water ice at 0 and boiling at 100? Get out of here and get your head checked by a qualified phrenologist! 8one6 posted:I have to assume that someone at the book publisher just used the terrible old-timey internet to look up recipes and grabbed the first one they saw for each dish and didn't notice some of them were joke recipes because I'm a midwestern white guy and even I know that's not how you make jambalaya.
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Sep 7, 2020 11:40
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SlothfulCobra posted:The theoretical ability of being slightly more able to memorize those two temperatures has basically no utility. Federation uses metric, like the entire world outside of the US. You are on the side of Neelix and his cookbook. Athanatos posted:Also, anyone able to just take the turbo lifts to the bridge is great. Sure it's the future and all of Starfleet know their place...but you just let random people you pick up from a space fridge run around giving the computer commands?
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Sep 8, 2020 09:16
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Talking betazoids - remember when Voyager had the psychopath betazoid who was one of the most interesting characters in the entire series, and then they killed him off because they didn't want to have anything complicated going on? Everything must be clearly good and evil. Evil can only be redeemed by dying and then we don't have to deal with anything post-redemption.
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Sep 11, 2020 10:55
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Like the doors that only open when someone is actually ready to leave a room, Universal Translators are equipped with finely-tuned Narrative Compensators to ensure that they don't disrupt the Dramatium field that is the real reason that the Federation has been so successful. Thinking about it, watching foreign dubbed Star Trek - where the lips don't match the speech - would be more 'realistic' in a way.
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Broadcast on all known frequencies and in all known languages... including welsh.
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