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Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Astroman posted:

I hear he's won 37 individual awards!

Yeah, for acting.

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Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Mortanis posted:

Yeah, as someone that plays STO, I can't think of a non show/movie ship they've created that I don't immediately hate. There's a few that elicit an apathetic "meh" at best.

What's wrong with the Odyssey class?!

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
I picked up all seven seasons of DS9 at an estate sale for $40 yesterday.

They also had all seven seasons of Voyager, not too sure about the price. Think it's worth getting, even though I consider Voyager the worst of the franchise?

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

McSpanky posted:

they don't have the rights for anything iconic

I definitely heard the Kirk vs. Spock fight music from "Amok Time" in one of the missions.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Big Mean Jerk posted:

The reasoning behind having Worf back gets more ridiculous each film

FC: Uh, they rescue the Defiant I guess but only Worf comes over
Ins: Uh, he's...on vacation! And he decided to visit!
Nem: gently caress it, he's just here now forever.

I think the Nemesis novel explained Worf being there as a personal favor to Picard (his actual security chief was on maternity leave.)

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
I saw "Wink of an Eye" on Heroes & Icons last night. Normally, I rag on Season 3 of TOS being low-budget even for a low-budget sci-fi TV show from the 1960s, but I have to say Spock drinking the Scalosian water to accelerate himself was a very nicely-done piece of acting on Leonard Nimoy, DeForest Kelly, and Majel Barret's parts.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Powered Descent posted:

Indeed. Let's see... excluding time-loop shenanigans (which would mean we'd have to list everyone on the Discovery and Enterprise-D multiple times), and also limiting it to main cast (so no Kai Opaka and no random TOS crew who the writers forgot were dead), here's the list off the top of my head of characters who've died and returned:

Scotty (killed by Nomad; revived by Nomad)
Spock (died because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one; revived via Vulcan mysticism)
Worf (died after experimental spine surgery; rebooted with auxiliary backup spine)
Troi (temporarily died to evict that psychic parasite guy; revived by Dr. Crusher)
Harry Kim (twice; first time revived by Doctor and second time replaced by a duplicate and no one even cared lol)
Neelix (lol there's no Talaxian heaven; revived by plot device)
Tyler (died offscreen in Klingon custody; brain copy-pasted onto Voq)
Culber (neck snapped by Voq; revived through mushroom fuckery)

I'm sure I'm forgetting some.

And of course there's a bunch more times someone was believed dead but actually wasn't: Chekov, Data, Geordi and Ro, probably a shitload of others that are escaping me.

Worf was twice also (second time was "thrown off second-story railing by man turning into energy being; rebooted by same man turning into energy being.")

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
That playlist lacks "The Ritual/Ancient Battle/Second Kroy'kah."

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Did any movie use the Amok Time battle theme? Because missed opportunity if not.

Michael Giacchino said he put a few bars of it during the Spock vs. Khan fight in Into Darkness.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
The new uniforms look interesting. Kinda like they combined the First Contact uniform Voyager uniforms.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
He gets a riding lawn mower.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Pakled posted:

I can totally believe that Changelings have a knack for humanoid anatomy and would probably make good surgeons.

"Look, Marus, you're an amazing doctor, but the crew's been complaining about how you just shapeshift from your Starfleet uniform into surgical scrubs. Us solids... we get a little creeped out by it."

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

FuturePastNow posted:

I'm pretty sure the ship in Contagion was named after the anime. There's also an Akira-class which is very definitely named after anime.

And just to up the anime references, Star Trek Online has two upgraded Akiras, the Armitage and the Alita.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
Seeing Star Trek '09 was the worst experience I've ever had in a movie theater.

No, that's not a knock on the movie's quality. I actually like it. The problem is, my friends and I saw it opening night in IMAX. Theater was packed, so all we could get were front row seats. Bastards stuck me with front row, center seat.

I had my neck craned with my head near-90 degrees for the entire length of the movie. I couldn't even read the entire title slide when it appeared. All I could see was a big-rear end "AR TR." But drat did the Kelvin Timeline Constitution look amazing!

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
Forget Lt. Arex (James Doohan isn't even around to do the lovely voice anymore). Bring Chekov back like this:

CHEKOV: (filmed from behind, in a Captain Pike wheelchair, played by an actor with almost the same hair color as Anton Yelchin) BOOP.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

I don't know what's more awesome about the full scene; Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Mudd "killing" Scotty with finger-gun phasers, or that Spock actually joined them in imitating the phaser's sound effect.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Big Mean Jerk posted:

The summary given by Kurtzman is so drat stupid; a group of teens find a derelict starfleet ship and decide to use it for their own adventures.

It’s gonna be so drat bad :cripes:

Wasn't this literally Space Cases?

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
And nobody wants to talk about how awful "Genesis" was? That was just lousy science and Data's cat turned into an iguana.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
Both-- it had Spock mention events from the (then-upcoming) Star Trek VI, which was pretty much the 25th anniversary celebration, and Roddenberry died during(?) production of the episode.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
I dunno, I'm with the thought that she's a Borg, but instead of having all the Borg hardware forcibly implanted into her body and supplanting some of her natural functions, she got Borg nanoprobes that function about the same as mitochondria do in our bodies. A symbiosis between humanoid flesh and Borg technology.

I think I asked in either this or another Star Trek-related thread if there was another race that had cybernetics integrated into their biology like that.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

I still love that the commercial for the video game tie-in to Into Darkness had William Shatner and some guy in a Gorn costume reenact this fight.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Now I'm reminded of the BBC America commercial that ran through all of Voyager's treknobabble in like 30 seconds, interrupted at one point by Chakotay's "Now let me get this straight."

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Khanstant posted:

Isn't every ship before Discovery explicitly designed to look dorky and goofy as hell?

The Nimitz, Walker, and the Cardenas classes all look fine to me. (Hell, I actually like the Cardenas, and I usually hate four-nacelle ships!)

The Hoover looks like somebody turned the Millennium Falcon backwards and added an Oberth pod and warp nacelles, though, and the Magee is just lazy. It looks like Doug Drexler just wanted to get out of the office early one Friday, so he slapped that one together and called it a day.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Humerus posted:

I guess we've moved on from talking about the wasted potential of the Romulan Star Empire but something that always bothered me about the Romulans and Klingons is that we literally never see conquered species in any capacity. These empires are supposed to be as large as the Federation and we see dozens if not hundreds of species milling around Federation space but the entirety of the Klingon Empire is just Klingons? And you know the Klingons and Romulans don't have a Prime Directive so Sub Commander T'Dick would just land his Bird of Prey on a pre-warp planet and declare himself God and have a bunch of slaves doing the hard work.

Star Trek Online had the Gorn, Nausicaans, and Orions as vassal states of the Klingon Empire, and I think the Ferasans are a vassal state, too (which is why those species are playable. No explanation for Joined Trill, Liberated Borg, Cardassians, and Talaxians of all the species in the galaxy, though.)

(And yes, I know those four are there only if you shell out real-world money for them. Also, the Pakleds are Starfleet-playable?! Could have sworn the Ocampa were playable. Maybe I'm just confusing that with that crappy Star Trek: The Roleplaying Game.)

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
Since I'm a bit late for the Enterprise-F and -J chat:

There is nothing wrong with the Odyssey class (the Enterprise-F), save for the fact that I don't feel like buying one or playing the loot box lottery in STO.

The Universe class (the Enterprise-J) really is two miles long, per Doug Drexler. As an aside, the game's developers had to redesign one mission because five people decided to fly through one small bottleneck at the same time. (They were all in Universes.)

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
It's not unexpected; the Kelvin did get enough scans of the Narada for Kelvin Timeline Starfleet to say "Holy poo poo! We need to make bigger ships than the Einstein and Freedom classes if the Romulans have ships like that!!" (STO calls it the Einstein class, which I like better than "Kelvin-type," so that's what I'm calling it) and so we have the Kelvin Timeline Constitution. (And the Armstrong, and the Newton, and the Mayflower, and the Aegis, which I honestly would pay money for if it ever got added to STO.)

What is dumb as poo poo is the Vengeance class being literally twice as big as the Kelvin Constitution, and the giant V-shaped notch in the Vengeance's saucer.

Also, if you want ugly ships, look at some of the 26th century ships from STO. The Nautilus looks like a Universe and an Olympic mated, then crossed with a pizza wheel, the Sagittarius is a four-nacelled smaller Universe (I think it's ugly because four nacelles), and the Paladin looks like a slightly-off hybrid of the Universe and the Akira. (The Theseus kinda looks like a flatter Sovereign/Universe hybrid, which... isn't *that* bad, actually.)

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Snow Cone Capone posted:

All you jerks posting ship names without ship photos make me want to Odo grunt

Pah.

Anyway, most of the ships I mentioned in my last post.

The Einstein class (or Kelvin-type, depending on who you ask)
The Freedom class (USS Franklin, NX-324)
The Kelvin Timeline Constitution class (USS Enterprise, NCC-1701)
The Armstrong class (USS Armstrong, NCC-1769)
The Mayflower class (USS Mayflower, NCC-1621), and sorry for the quality of that picture, that's the best picture Memory Alpha has.
The Newton class (USS Newton, NCC-1727)
The Aegis class (USS Aegis, NX-1787) from Star Trek: Bridge Crew
The Vengeance class (USS Vengeance), and I don't care if it's canonically called the Dreadnought class, STO calls it the Vengeance, so that's what I'm gonna call it.
The Nautilus class 26c. Science Vessel
The Theseus class 26c. Escort
The Sagittarius class 26c. Cruiser
The Paladin class 26c. Battlecruiser

That is a lot of ships.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
It's probably that little white bump on the dorsal view, near the aft end of the stern section.

(And, uh, I apologize for the 26c. ship images, I didn't think they were going to be that transparent as far as reading the text.)

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
Ranger, Akira, Paladin

Gemini, Constellation, Sagittarius

Daedalus, Olympic, Nautilus

I'm stuck on what's between the Perseus and the Theseus classes. Maybe the Intrepid???

There's also the Atlas class Prototype Dreadnought Cruiser which... doesn't seem to have a 24/25c. or even a 26c. equivalent?

(I know jack about the Valkis and the Durgath because I don't have any Romulan or Klingon characters, so can't help there. But the Valkis looks awesome, at least!)

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
Kinda reminds me of the original Star Trek Online uniform, before they switched to the Odyssey uniform.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Pinterest Mom posted:

Are those exterior shots all reused from TMP?

Well, when the studio asks "Can you make a movie for less than forty-five loving million dollars?" (actual quote) you need to same money somewhere!

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
STO calls it the Jellyfish (and says that as of 2409, Spock and Nero are still missing, presumed dead.)

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
The Wrath of Khan uniforms (as STO calls them, I prefer "Maroon Monster") are up there with the First Contact uniforms for my favorite Starfleet uniforms. I do love the Enterprise-era uniforms and the Discovery-era uniforms (but putting the rank pips on the DSC Starfleet delta was a silly move and I would have preferred wrist-level rank stripes like on TOS.)

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
They look like flight jumpsuits to me.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
Okay, I laughed at "We can be Klingons! Worf Worf Worf Worf--"

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

FlamingLiberal posted:

Yes I remember renting it as a kid and not getting very far

I borrowed the Genesis version from my best friend. I absolutely hate the waterfall level about halfway through the game.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Quincetessence posted:

Even better, one of the pieces of flavor art in there features a Klingons vs Andorians ice hockey game. It's exactly the right kind of ridiculous I like to see in these things.

The picture's also in the Klingon Empire Corebook, and I agree that it is the best piece of art in the entire Star Trek Adventures line.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010
That Constitution Refit looks like a Star Trek ship as designed by somebody who's never seen a single episode of Star Trek, and had to make the ship based entirely on a verbal description of some drunk who saw it in college twenty years ago.

Also sweet Jesus those... things are hideous.

Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Hollismason posted:

Are there any actually good Star Trek novels or are they all pretty much trash. Also how hard is to get a hold of them.

I liked John deLancie's I, Q. It came out about 20 years ago, though, so it might be a little tough to get ahold of.

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Snorb
Nov 19, 2010

Hunter Noventa posted:

Soon to be gamblebox exclusive cosmetics in STO!

I dunno, STO usually gave away the uniforms for free when a show premiered (at least, they did for the 2250s DSC and 2390s PIC uniforms. Still waiting on the Lower Decks uniforms...)

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