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Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

Screw the Prime Directive, embed secret agents into pre-warp civilisations to guide them towards your civilizational ideals while also prodding them away from destroying themselves.

That's uh really hard to pull off. Might as well throw some replicators and a book on not being assholes out the back of a shuttle and hope for the best.

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Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

Erulisse posted:

Exhibit a:
10 commandments that we as a species poo poo on on daily basis

Well God forgot the replicators part.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

100% on board with Spartan style Klingons.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

Rom is a great choice for reforming Ferengi Society.

He's not an idiot, he was a "bad ferengi" because lacked confidence and gave a poo poo about other people. I don't think you can get a better pick for reform than a Nagus that is capable of respecting women, a successful labor leader and someone who personally understands that Ferengi culture is squandering potential by only rewarding a specific set of skills.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

Cat Hatter posted:

Dukat/Winn seems like something even fan writers would be itching to write dialogue for like the Spock/Q thing but then they just make it as uninteresting as possible somehow.

I think it falls a bit flat because Dukat is pretending to be someone else, and Winn isn't acting like Winn acts in any other part of the show... it really is like 2 completely different characters.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

John F Bennett posted:

Just watched 'The Offspring', S3 EP16 of TNG. It's about Data becoming a father by creating Lal, an android. Lal was forced to choose a gender, male or female, to fulfill its true potential.

While not a particularly good take now, the show was made like 30 years ago and at least Lal got to choose.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

Rob Rockley posted:

Finally finished "Tears of the Prophets" (DS9 S6 finale). Boy that was abrupt, someone really wanted off the show! Put DS9 on hiatus for a couple weeks after watching "Valiant" cause it was getting real grim, hope there's less of a rough patch plot-wise in S7 but man.

Nah, she wanted the same deal Colm got (~10 Episodes)... so she could do another show and Berman refused and had her unceremoniously killed.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

Basically he doesn't have power anymore and was definitely an abusive prick but wasn't a literal rapist ala Weinstein.

So he's probably not gonna get #metooed because there's not much point.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

If an organization uses military ranks, military discipline and designs, builds and crews heavily armed ships then it's a military; even if warfighting is not it's primary mission.

The idea that Starfleet isn't a military is absurd and farcical.

Every other power in the galaxy treats Starfleet as a military.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

It's really not.

Because what humans consider a "military" to be isn't important compared to what powers that border the Federation consider Starfleet to be.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

Tighclops posted:

To the Klingons everything is a battle cruiser, that doesn't change the fact that Starfleet is not really like any modern military except for affectations like the use of recognizable rank structure and the fact that they have to shoot stuff sometimes.

Because it's a science fiction story set hundreds of years in the future after humans have largely abandoned the kinds of lovely behavior that resulted in organizations like NATO

TLDR: If you have an organization that bears responsibility for fighting wars, it's a military.

Just because it's not a carbon copy of the US Navy in space doesn't mean it isn't one.


Starfleet is an organization that:

A.) Is responsible for the defense of the Federation and it's interests.

B.) Builds armed "exploration ships" that are fully capable of 1v1ing their aggressive and militaristic neighbors' purpose built battleships.

C.) Names a high percentage of these heavily armed exploration ships after historical warships.

D.) Uses military rank structures and discipline, and runs a military academy.

E.) Is considered to be a Military by every one of their major neighbors, and has fought in wars against nearly all of them.

It's absurd to believe that they are not a military solely because they claim not to be, because they conform to literally every aspect of what constitutes a military other than it's primary purpose being conducting war.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

It's easily the best first season.


Once it gets it's footing and slows down it's got great economical storytelling.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Move Along Home isn't peak DS9 but it's a fine episode. I really don't get why some fans hate that episode so much.

I think people's opinions on it are based on how much they enjoy TOS.

Powered Descent posted:

I think it's mostly the silliness quotient that really puts some people off, most notably in the hopscotch scene -- it's vicariously embarrassing. And there's also the ending, which reveals that there was never any danger at all, and despite everything that happened to the characters, :matters:. It's a type of twist ending, but one that's really hard to make into a satisfying conclusion.

Also this, it's silly but pretends there are stakes but then there aren't any and thus ends with a fart.

It's good Quark characterization, though.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

RE: Pale Moonlight

I always just figured some combination of:

A.) He wanted to personally grandstand in the senate to increase his rep / status.

B.) Something *that* politically sensitive was eyes only, especially since it wasn't time sensitive.

C.) The Romulans wouldn't really worry immediately calling in about it because they assumed that the Federation wouldn't attack someone with Diplomatic Immunity.

Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

There's a Drunk History about LSDolphinHandjobs and its the best one.

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Infidelicious
Apr 9, 2013

MikeJF posted:

It's kinda funny that we saw automated cargo drone ships hauling things between systems a few times in TOS but never in later shows, you'd think fully automated cargo drone ships would have been even more common for the FALGSC future of the 24th century.

My headcannon is all starfleet ships are fully automated; the bridge crew plays the equivalent of LCARs bejeweled to keep the Rogue Ship AI contingency from activating. Everyone else keeps the ship working.

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