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Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

bull3964 posted:

It doesn't happen in the book. In the book Kirk and Spock go to engineering to inspect battle damage and when the turbolift doors open, Scotty is there holding Peter saying he can't get a hold of Bones.

I imagine that's what the original script did since novelizations are often based on early drafts. It was probably a pacing decision to have Scotty come to the bridge since going to engineering would break the action, even if it doesn't make narrative sense.

That's not exactly what I remember. I remember Saavik being there, too, and actually breaking down in tears (explained by her being half Romulan, apparently), but maybe that was a later scene in the book.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2016 16:17

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 13:42

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Tighclops posted:

Enterprise is the most white people in space out of all of them, they even have a black driver

Never realized that. Guess I better check my privilege

# ¿ Sep 27, 2016 13:36

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Baronjutter posted:

Yeah, I was going to say that these days there's actually factions within disability groups that would see a disabled character going on adventures due to cool cyber implants and poo poo as an attack on their unique culture and abilities. They're not disabled they're just different, maybe even better than you, normie. Are you trying to say being deaf is a disability? Are you trying to say it's an inferior culture you want to genocide with implants and forced education at schools with people who can hear?

I think TNG should be given some credit when Geordi rejected being healed of blindness when Riker got Q powers. Of course, Braga and Berman poo poo all over that in the movies...

# ¿ Oct 5, 2016 22:12

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MikeJF posted:

That's easy, though: aliens.

Check your human privilege!

# ¿ Dec 8, 2016 17:46

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King Hong Kong posted:

They should just have an Enterprise character because this is realistically going to be Enterprise 2.0 at best.

I'd be fine with Scott Bakula showing up as "Admiral Archer" or some such kind of like how they referenced him in nutrek.

And then have Jonathan Frakes as the cook :wtc:

# ¿ Mar 22, 2017 15:45

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Gonz posted:

jfc don't give Brannon Braga ideas

# ¿ Feb 8, 2018 00:07

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marktheando posted:

Which version of TOS to watch depends on how hilarious you find obvious stunt men in every fight scene. If they make you laugh a lot like me then watch the HD version.

This applies to the HD TNG, too. I've been enjoying the glaringly obvious stunt doubles in that.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2018 20:04

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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:

Nimoy was always weird looking

In kind of a Benedict Cumberbatch sort of way.

This applies to Nimoy, imo:

# ¿ Aug 27, 2018 17:06

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The Morn-centric episode is one of my faves.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2019 15:56

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jeeves posted:

I always wonder how quickly those stubborn space ~~Indians~~ Native Americans got wiped out by the Cardassians after they accepted their governance.

Especially since they lost their best weed dude because he was secretly the Traveler.

According to VOY letters from home they got turbo destroyed by the Dominion, which I honestly don't remember if DS9 ever actually mentions.

e: holy poo poo that was a way older post than I thought... sorry about that

# ¿ Mar 24, 2019 06:59

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AlBorlantern Corps posted:

Red Angel is future Shatner Kirk

I was thinking Red Angel would be Picard and that's how they would spin off the Picard show, as Picard time-traveling around the universe or something. Instead, Red Angel turned out to be something even dumber.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2019 16:08

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I dunno this current red angel/section 31 bullshit is rapidly approaching Voyager Endgame levels of stupidity

# ¿ Mar 29, 2019 18:24

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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

Errand of Mercy? Rura Penthe? I guess the latter isn't strictly comparable but it's a small leap from there, even if you discount the TOS TV Klingons. "The Aliens' Graveyard."

Which brings up an observation I had watching ST6 recently. The dinner scene is awful. There, I said it. The Klingons are very adept at using the Federation's ideals against them, but it's 1. baldly cynical on their part, given everything we see of Klingon society even in the film in isolation, and 2. none of the dialogue flows at all. Some individual lines are memorable, which papers it over somewhat, but the characters aren't really responding to each other at all for the most part. I get that they're supposed to be at odds and not communicating well, but it's like it was edited down from a much longer scene into something that barely makes sense.

But back to the first point, the Klingons accuse the Federation of being a Homo sapiens-only club - "present company excepted" due to Spock, but they're also dealing with, at least, a Deltan Federation president, and in ST4 the Federation Council and Starfleet Command are shown to have myriad aliens. But just look at the Empire, there are literally no other races at all in their military or political power structure, and no one calls them out on this. They've enslaved or exterminated all other races within their borders. They don't have a leg to stand on but the scene is still written not only as if they have a point, but the Starfleet members present are cowed and accept the premise, and go to bed in massive guilt, checking their human privilege.

It's not as good of a movie as a lot of fans like to think.

Yeah, but the historical context for this fits perfectly with the movies obvious Cold War metaphor. The Soviets criticized the US about our civil rights conflicts all the time, but then massively quashed and imprisoned non-Russian ethnicities in their own borders. This is a thing that actually happened historically.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2019 17:17

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HD DAD posted:

I�m saying the opposite actually. Both TNG and Disco at this point in their lives were/are very flawed but promising. I�m just more amused how Trek discussions haven�t really changed in 30 years.

Now we just need a modern day Michael Piller to come in and whip the writing room into shape.

Yeah but DIS and TNG are fundamentally different beasts, obv. TNG, being episodic, can fix systemic issues early and often. DIS is more serial and if the writing and underlying premise for the season is deeply flawed, then it will take total creative team reboot to get things straightened out, which is what we've seen.

I agree with the basic premise, though... fans gotta fan

# ¿ Apr 1, 2019 18:25

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Am I remembering correctly that ENT was pulled because Les Moonves hated it and right after the Viacom split, he wanted it gone? I might have read that somewhere or dreamed it up, idk.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2019 18:46

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Trevellian posted:

Dear fellow Trek Goons - for those of you with access to BBC America, may I commend to your attention the TrekBack Best of Spock special this coming Friday (5th April)? Hosted from 5pm EST by Rachel Lackey and Chris Lackey of the Rachel Watches Star Trek podcast!

https://twitter.com/mrchrislackey/status/1112730111692992515

Just list the episodes here and I will watch at my leisure

# ¿ Apr 1, 2019 23:39

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galenanorth posted:

Deadlock (VOY S02E21) was a great episode. It and "Timeless" seem to be an acknowledgement that whenever there's a high-risk situation, it's only because it's a work of fiction that they always win the day, and in a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure version of the show there'd be a lot of "bad endings". Harry Kim's stunt in Sick Bay was movie-caliber. Around the middle, I expected that one of the two ships would be destroyed, rather than a parallel universe separation, but I didn't expect it'd be the undamaged ship via self-destruct after being boarded and taken over by Vidiians.

I hate VOY a lot, but the Vidiians were a legit cool and creepy Trek villain, up there with TNG season 2/3 Borg, imho. I know they are kind of a B story in that episode, but just mentioning the Vidiians ratchets up the tension because of their backstory.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2019 14:12

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Burning_Monk posted:

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - JFK

That was FDR

# ¿ Apr 12, 2019 22:01

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Cythereal posted:

"The line must be drawn HERE! This far, no farther! And I will MAKE THEM PAY for what they've done!"

Yeah, Quark was awesome when he did that

# ¿ Apr 13, 2019 05:05

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The_Doctor posted:

Patrick Bauchau, an actual Belgian actor would have been interesting. Jenny Agutter as Crusher could have been fantastic.

Tim Russ... it's so hard to imagine him as Geordi after being Tuvok for so long but I've seen him other stuff and I think he has the acting ability to do it, and is Reggie Jackson the actual Reggie Jackson, i.e. the baseball player? That would've been kind of awesome, too.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2019 17:45

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I don't remember any TNG episodes featuring Dolly Parton or Billy Joel as key story elements.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2019 19:57

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Snow Cone Capone posted:

Their loss

I know, those have been my favorite orville episodes.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2019 23:02

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Section 31 is similar to the Mirror Universe: in small doses, it can be a very effective plot device. But the more the writers keep using it as a crutch, the more diluted and ridiculous the premise becomes until you get sick of seeing it.

It's exactly why I've come to not look forward to MU episodes on DS9. Crossover was a great episode, but each episode after that is not as good as its predecessor.

Is Crossover the one where they steal Sisko to build their own version of Defiant? That was the only MU episode I liked at all in DS9. I guess I did also like the first one or so where they had mirror Sisko, because it seemed like Avery let loose and really enjoyed being goofy af.

# ¿ May 2, 2019 22:26

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Pick posted:

in the workplace comedy that ds9 occasionally is, and where it excels, Sisko as Mr. "I never even wanted to be here" is exceptional

For some reason, the scene where Jake replicates a ractijino or w/e and dunks a biscuit into it and it fizzes up and Sisko freaks out a little and has exactly that kind of look... that scene is always super memorable to me for some reason.

# ¿ May 2, 2019 22:28

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AlBorlantern Corps posted:

Like look at Odo. He has contacts all over who get him news about the goings on of the cardassians and even the romulans. What he does is approximately what a Starfleet intelligence officer would do.

drat, Odo was cool.

# ¿ May 3, 2019 15:52

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Sir Lemming posted:

I'm stoked that they're willing to do a teaser that looks 99% like a wine advertisement, it pretty well confirms that this isn't going to be the Action Picard from the movies. Now I just have to hope it's not all overdramatic and turns Picard into a Chosen One and all that.

What if Picard is the chosen one and the only one who can defeat a new invasion by those alien bugs that took over starfleet command (and were never seen again) and the only way they can win is by getting the old crew together (recently retired Riker, etc.) and hijack a mothballed Galaxy-class starship (because it's the only one that isn't compromised by alien computer technology or whatever) and blow up some kind of alien mcguffin or something? That way it's overdramatic AND Action Picard.

um Alex Kurtzman pls do not steal

# ¿ May 23, 2019 20:20

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

The model obviously has every light kicked up to max but I still love this picture. The angle, the overall lighting, the way the hull gleams. I love it.

This could just be nostalgia talking, but I think that model holds up better than any other trek design, except for maybe workbee there in lower left.

# ¿ Jun 4, 2019 15:31

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AlBorlantern Corps posted:

I think he went and "requisitioned" those himself from a base after his planet was destroyed

Based on the prequel comic, Nero's ship used Borg technology because of course it did.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2019 21:50

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Gonz posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sDARjIbtTY

imo, that makes even less sense. You can't fix the core problems there without a big rewrite.

If the "2 seconds of vulnerability" is really the problem, just speed up the torpedo shot so it takes a few seconds instead of 15. Not sure that's a huge improvement, though.

# ¿ Jul 8, 2019 16:31

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Gonz posted:

Jean-Luc Picard: "The Nexus, you say? I can travel back to any point in history using this magical wormhole ribbon? Hmmmm."

*goes back a few hours instead of going back a week or so, warning his brother and nephew about the fire and having Dr. Soren arrested on sight, in addition to saving Jim Kirk from MIA status for a better part of the last century*

Smart thinkin' there, Captain.

He was just following the Temporal Prime Directive to meddle as little as possible. :v:

# ¿ Jul 10, 2019 15:42

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Quicksilver6 posted:

Just gonna be Picard petting a dog laughing about how they travelled in time to save rene and robert, all while reviewing the various Picard vintages.

This would be better than whatever swill Kurtzman came up with.

# ¿ Jul 10, 2019 20:39

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Hmm ok, so that's where Nero got the Borg tech for the Narada.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2019 04:20

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DrNutt posted:

I just want to chime in and say that it's pretty cool that they are bringing back Hugh and not recasting him because that probably would have been an easy thing for them to do.

Yeah, I think the DISCO path would've been to put in some new Borg character named "Lou" that was actually Hugh's adopted brother.

# ¿ Jul 24, 2019 22:04

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piratepilates posted:

For some reason the planet has a weird colour filter lazily slapped on it to make the planet seem more alien? In the "Previously On" footage at the start of the episode you could see the (same) planet didn't have a blue tint, it was just a neutral balance like Earth.

Hey is that the same place they did the location shots for The Ship in DS9? (Or was it Rocks and Shoals...)

# ¿ Jul 29, 2019 16:20

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Snow Cone Capone posted:

damnit

e: I still maintain that Q elevates any episode he's in to "absolutely watch this" status though

The DS9 Q episode was goofy and I loved it, but I can also see why DS9 didn't do more Q episodes. I would've loved a wormhole alien vs. Q episode, but maybe that wouldn't fit the tone of the show, either.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2019 18:03

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I love the 1701-D main engineering, and those sets were my favorite sets in TNG and VOY. Even the Defiant's main engineering was kinda cool, if somewhat smallish.

Also, whoever recommended the Insurrection commentary, that was a blast. "Ahhh the controversial joystick... Rick thought that would appeal to younger audiences." lmao

Are there similar commentaries for the other TNG movies? I don't recall any, but I also don't own any TNG movies on blu ray.

# ¿ Aug 1, 2019 17:25

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Zesty posted:

"Odo broth" lmao

# ¿ Aug 2, 2019 17:59

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Sash! posted:

I would like not be surprised to learn the character was originally named Micky O'Brien, had the last Rosary left in the Federation, had a no good brother and/or cousin named Patrick or Sean, and was scripted to exclaim "Jesus, Joseph, and Mary," only to be scolded for his backwards cultural ways.

Well, there's that episode where he infiltrates ~~the Mob~~ Orion Syndicate.

# ¿ Aug 2, 2019 19:10

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If they had Guinan in STP, would that be awesome or horrible? I honestly can't decide.

# ¿ Aug 5, 2019 22:37

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# ¿ May 18, 2024 13:42

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SyRauk posted:

*me re-watching VOY*:
Hmm, Kes was pretty cute. I wonder what she looks like today.

*looks her up*:

She's not horrible, looks like someone's ok mom

# ¿ Aug 20, 2019 22:29

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