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galenanorth
May 19, 2016

vermin posted:

I love reading Memory Alpha articles on mundane things that shouldn't be in a wiki in the first place

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Toilet

Even after all of that, it's still not obvious how Star Trek toilets work since the one in the screenshot does not appear to have a hole and the ensign is sitting on it while wearing pants

Maybe someday an officially licensed VR game will clear this up

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galenanorth
May 19, 2016

I watched the first season of Voyager and started to get weirded out by their nonsense phenomenon-of-the-week plots like the one where the crew started "devolving" into animals

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jun 30, 2017

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

quote:

Bryan Fuller's on record as saying that most of the Voyager staff were really not happy about the fact that they were working on a Star Trek show.

That makes me imagine one of the characters from Frasier going "ugh, space drivel". I think there was an episode with a character ashamed to write/act for a space opera-type show

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

VitalSigns posted:

And Prime Factors :wtf::wtf::wtf: Janeway is a terrible captain.

So many Voyager episodes rely on nebulous "moral principles" as a plot device and they contradict themselves constantly, not like a continuity mistake only the closely observant see, but their stances change within just a few episodes of each other, like the writers looked over TOS and TNG plots where the Captain said "no, we must adhere to the Prime Directive, no matter the consequences" or "this time screw the Prime Directive, let's do what's right" and zapped all nuance and reasoning with only drama left

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Jul 11, 2017

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

vermin posted:

They paid for a fake Native American cultural consultant and drat it, they're gonna get their money's worth!

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/culture/arts-entertainment/fools-gold-the-story-of-jamake-highwater-the-fake-indian-who-wont-die/

Huh, I'd never heard about that

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

cenotaph posted:

I really wish they would do something new with this franchise instead of becoming obsessed with its own mythology and crawling straight up its own rear end like every other nerd thing.

bad fantasy/sci-f does this weird "all our greatest hits collection" thing, such as beta canon where stuff happens like Locutus comes back from the 29th century

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

I watched the first five episodes of DS9. I thought most of these episodes were twice as long as they needed to be, and Babel felt like a rehash of earlier series' plots such as Amok Time. In "A Man Alone", I called it immediately when Odo was asked "How many people on these station have a reason to frame you", that the person who was murdered has plenty of motive.

Isaac Asimov once wrote that it's possible to write a good science-fiction mystery if you give the audience all the rules of how things work over the course of the story, but here Star Trek tends to give some random unforeseen technological solution. Here, the murderer killed a clone of himself and they revealed afterward that they have the technology to clone people and grow them to adult size within a few days. I thought Past Prologue was the best episode of the last three because it was character-driven instead of hinging on a sci-fi event.

Edit: Also, though the question of Trill legal culpability for past crimes was interesting, the episode Dax ends the same way as A Man Alone, with the clinching exonerating evidence (solid alibi) being found during the last few minutes.

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Aug 2, 2017

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Nah, you didn't miss anything, that's exactly what it looks like

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

I imagine if they had the data space, for flavor variation they could just store enough unique copies of the same food type (e.g. steak) that no one would notice

My pizza allegiance lies with store brand Kroger pizza.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Edit: Sorry, wrong thread

I don't have anything to say other than that I like reading Jeb's postings

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Aug 10, 2017

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

at this point, I think I'd prefer a continuation of Star Trek: Enterprise even if they had to have completely different actors playing the same characters

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Timby posted:

It was his call to put Jeri Ryan in a catsuit, to go from the collaborative style of the TNG writers' room to basically pitting writers against one another, and to basically do TNG-lite. He was a pretty toxic influence on Voyager, and there's a reason everyone breathed a sigh of relief when he hosed off to develop Enterprise and put Kenneth Biller in charge.

I asked myself "is he the guy responsible for Enterprise's weird decontamination chamber scenes"

http://old.post-gazette.com/lifestyle/20031008enterprise1008fnp2.asp

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Voyager never had any moments like Enterprise where I cheered at how incredible the events were. At ENT's best, it was definitely better than the worst of TOS, but VOY episodes would almost all be at the bottom if I had to rank all of them

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Cat Hatter posted:

We have earbuds and inconsiderate roommates now, no reason people in the future wouldn't also want to listen to something on their big stereo without thinking of their roommates' desire for quiet.

I had roommates that played loud music all the time and honestly thought it was fair, because I could play all the loud music I wanted, too.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

"No mad scientists or stories where technology is considered the villain" is a nice rule and I can't remember any counterexamples for it. "Stories in which our characters must do something stupid or dangerous" aka no Idiot Ball is another good rule

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Aug 30, 2017

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Arglebargle III's comment recalls some of the parts of the Internet that spend all their time hating on SJWs. However, he's right that Discovery looks like it might continue to validate and appeal to the darker parts of the American Zeitgeist. It started heading down this path during Enterprise, when at its worst it condoned torture for getting information from a detainee. It's valid to be worried that the show has abandoned its moral compass, in the name of assuaging its audience that it can pat itself on the back for doing what's easy instead of what's right.

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

WeAreTheRomans posted:

In that supercut of everyone making GBS threads on Worf, isn't there one example of Picard agreeing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edflm7Hh3hs

Oh, that's hilarious

galenanorth
May 19, 2016


That was hilarious. Thank you for that

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

"We dream of peace, yet no dream will protect us from Saddam Hussein" --- 2003 and the newest Star Trek, paraphrasing

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Sep 17, 2017

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Is Troi ever more useful than just a particularly empathetic and perceptive human would be

never, really there were moments where she says "he seems angry, Captain" after the guy on screen smashes a coffee cup, but I liked Troi best in the later seasons when she had more scenes in a consular's room

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

I'm watching S01E08: The Passenger and I can't help but notice some errors in the technobabble. First, Odo puts a lockout on the file and the criminal gets around it by accessing and wiping the entire system. Nowadays, wouldn't that just mean the criminal has access to a copy of the system with the same lockout or something? Second, they explain the body-jumping criminal with the "unused portion of the human brain" myth

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

S01E11, "The Grand Nagus", was at least the third episode up until that point to involve someone faking their death, and it was also the best one

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

I watched DS9 S01E11, "The Storyteller", and the A story with O'Brien and Bashir seemed like some bog standard "monster terrorizing the village" plot like that episode of Avatar, but the B story with the teenage ruler learning how to compromise from Jake, Nog, and Sisko was really good

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine S01E15, the eminent domain episode with Jake and Nog's first business venture, was really good



Here (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, S01E16), the PADD looks pretty much like a book app in a modern tablet or an e-reader

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

In season 1 of Deep Space Nine, S01E16 "If Wishes Were Horses" was the worst "weird things are happening throughout the station" episode, and the "aliens all along" ending was predictable. S01E17 "The Forsaken" was much better than I thought it'd be. I liked the plot with Odo, toward the end, and the plot Bashir escorting the ambassadors, but the "AI puppy-like creature wandering through space hacks into the computer system" plot was too out there in the context of the setting for me. S01E18 "Dramatis Personae" was the best "weird things are happening throughout the ship" episode. S01E19 "Duet" was the best episode of the season.

Edit: I think the thing about the "weird things are happening throughout the station" episodes and the worse parts of DS9 Season 1 is that they should only be 22 minutes long at most, but the series has all the episodes as the same length. Sometimes the idea sounds neat, then it gets old fast.

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jun 4, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

In S02E02, "Because you have a personal code, and you are in slim company" "I'll miss you, too, Odo" was a good exchange. The season opener was superb (posting like it's 1993)

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

The opening three-parter episodes of Season 2 of DS9 were three of the best of the series so far. I liked the design of the crab-sized spider creatures. My only criticism is that the "can only beam two people at a time when using a runabout rule" sounded off when I heard it, but I didn't really notice they went against it in the next episode anyway 'til I read the "behind the scenes" part of the wiki anyway. Also, they have a habit of killing off only the characters which need to die in order to self-contain the arc and it's as predictable as when new characters die in prequels

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Invasive Procedures (S02E04) was a good episode. Personality-switching plots rely heavily on the acting talent and the actors involved made it work really nicely. The only thing is that Quark "crosses a line" and it's probably not going to get addressed

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

I watched S02E05 "Cardassians" and I liked how Keiko O'Brien told off her husband for his war racism with "that was a very ugly thing you just said" and Sisko's sarcastic "Well, by all means. Will one runabout be enough?" comment. I was rooting for the kid to stay with the Bajorans but seeing as how he turned out to have been kidnapped there really wasn't any other way around it

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Low Desert Punk posted:

how tf did more people not kill themselves on voyager? especially as the years went on

people would be doing the cartoon thing where they draw faces on rocks and bags of flour and put them in chairs around a dinner table to pretend they're friends, but with Holodeck characters

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Sanctuary (S02E10) was a good episode. I think the Bajorans should have let them settle. I don't really see why they couldn't have tried it and left the possibility of moving to Draylon II open as a backup plan, but it'd probably have something to do with the availability of the logistics of transporting three million people and the idea that not all of them would volunteer to leave for Draylon II if it wasn't working out

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Mountaineer posted:

Let's be honest, the Bajorans' stated reason for rejecting the Skreeans is probably BS and they really just didn't want to take in a bunch of gross skin flake people.

another thing, if the Skreeans are willing to accept the harsh conditions, I don't see why it's any worse for the Bajorans' sense of not resisting being able to help to be on their planet as opposed to out in space

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

FlamingLiberal posted:

That would make total sense considering they specifically point out a lot of traits of the Talarian culture that are identical to Klingons

Maybe they were wanting to let the make-up department go nuts with persuing new achievements in special effects, thinking people want to see more aliens after TOS's "all aliens look exactly human" aliens, but I think they crossed a line where they during TNG introduced too many similar ones and people prefer to see the same ones again for continuity. I appreciate that you could make some kind of "common characteristics" branching chart using Klingon-like species though

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

"Whispers" (DS9 S02E14) was a really good episode that reminded me of The Game from TNG, but even better than that. "Playing God" (DS9 S02E17) was all right, but it could have been half as long

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Shibawanko posted:

What about when his voice gets all deep when he gets serious or wants to be intimidating. Or what if he gets very emotional.

I want Steve Coogan and Robert Brydon to do Sisko impressions but they probably don't know who he is.

He has a habit of emphasizing certain words, like "THAT'S what I want you to do, Commander" or "Can I at least tell them that it looks like an accident" when he's upset

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Pick posted:

Gul Dukat is handsome and I want to marry him.

I just finished watching Maquis Part I & II. I really enjoy the combination of his helping to stop the outbreak of war and trying to prevent Cardassian orphans from being left behind while egging on the Maquis and the Federation to kill each other and use Cardassian torture tactics. Best Star Trek villain ever, excluding the Borg

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXQFtjRG_jE

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

"Crossover" was a really good episode. I liked the contrast between normal Sisko and pirate Sisko. His "don't know what he's going to do next" demeanor reminded me of Roberto from Futurama, and it was a good moment when Miles O'Brien said he didn't like being called Smiley but Sisko kept calling him Smiley anyway. Odo's "Rules of Obedience", the self-awareness of the mirror universe in having a protocol, and Evil Kira's reaction to Original Kira were also fun

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Firebert posted:

https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/star-trek-tv-shows-cbs-discovery-alex-kurtzman-1202842335/

"The potential new shows are said to include:

A series set at Starfleet Academy from creators Stephanie Savage and Josh Schwartz. The duo most recently developed the CW’s reboot of “Dynasty” and previously created shows like “Gossip Girl” and Hulu and Marvel’s “Runaways.”
A limited series whose plot details are being kept under wraps.
A limited series based around the “Wrath of Khan” story. Khan’s full name is Khan Noonien Singh. He was famously portrayed by Ricardo Montalbán in both the original series episode “Space Seed” and again in the film “Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan.” Benedict Cumberbatch then played the character in the 2013 film “Star Trek Into Darkness.”
An animated series whose plot details are being kept under wraps."

Time to run this poo poo into the loving ground!

future-y stuff, but with a brand name and a built-in following

The Starfleet uniform doesn't represent a hopeful future of a post-scarcity society, in which there are people who still strive and work hard to improve themselves, to improve the society from which they came, and to add to their collective knowledge through exploration. It represents a

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to be milked by people who work hard to abuse other people and line their own pockets until the cow's squirting powder

galenanorth fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jun 19, 2018

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galenanorth
May 19, 2016

A mix of TOS/TNG characters, plus DS9/VOY/ENT characters and some famous historical figures like Lincoln as recurring background characters, are kidnapped by aliens, mindwiped of everything after the age where they entered Starfleet, and forced to relive their Starfleet Academy days together in a simulation for sick and twisted 26th century alien network executives for purposes of reality TV

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