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The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Nessus posted:

More stuff here if we need it at any point.

Walk of shame from the last thread:

I'm perpetually behind threads like this so rarely make the cut. it keeps me sane on long overnight shifts at self-sealing stembolt factory. But hey, ground floor. Let's DO this.

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The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Mister Kingdom posted:

She's only good to let you know you're watching a season two episode.

She's generally a more interesting character than Beverly. That's not to say better or more likable necessarily. If Dr Crusher has more good episodes it's only by virtue of being in six times as many, and I'm not even really sure she does.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Gaz-L posted:

On the other hand, doesn't she just not appear in The Measure Of A Man, probably because they realised that she'd be the villain in that story?

Not the villian, I think. Her physiological expertise was irrelevant, though, pretty much.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Cojawfee posted:

As a doctor, wouldn't she have been an expert on what is alive? They had that robot guy testifying, I'd figure they'd have some kind of doctor as well.

That is a question of philosophy, or perhaps psychology (since Data's sapience was more important than his merely being alive) not physiology. The "not alive" side could have had an MD on as a stunt witness pretty much, but it was a given that he wasn't an evolved biological life form so what more would she say?

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

cheetah7071 posted:

I like Pulaski more than Crusher but that's more a condemnation of Crusher for being extremely boring. The only good episode I can think of focused on her is the one with the warp bubble

Yeah, that's one of the only really good Beverly episodes. The one where she's mindlinked to Picard is also good. She gets to remember metaphasic shielding from her Ferengi friend, and goes on a cool ninja adventure with Worf and Picard for extremely contrived reasons. These are nearly canceled out by mirror-corridor yoga and sex candles, however.

Her character bio is mostly "Dr. Mom" and it's pretty bland.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Sash! posted:

If?

Dude probably has a Horga'hn for a keychain

Why do they call it a Whore-Gone when it does the opposite anyway?!

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I thought Risa was supposed to be less "brothel planet" and more "free love planet".

Yeah, but the natives seem to be more or less employed there as sex-havers. I suppose there isn't much difference in the Federation, though, is there?

No money = no prostitutes. They work to better themselves, and/or for Real Estate (getting to live on the eden-like Pleasure Planet)





Free Love? It's Free Real Estate :smug:

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

WickedHate posted:

What if there are no prostitutes, just enough people coming to gently caress that you're never without gently caress partners? It's a big galaxy.

The "locals" are all hawt people with space barcodes on their foreheads that you can summon to gently caress you apparently at will.

Certainly, they might just have been a monoculture of sex maniacs that qualified joined the Federation because of their world government literally called the Hedony (not kidding)

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
The "arrowhead" insignia just evolved from the A in NASA logos iirc, so it would make sense as a generic Starfleet logo

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Just watched "If Wishes were Horses" on my new DS9 runthrough and couldn't help thinking how awesome it would have been to have the Rumpelstiltskin from Once Upon a Time rather than that second rate goblin.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Cojawfee posted:

If my clone was more successful than me, I'd murder him.

Those clones were still at zero on the success line, so well above Trek posting goons. Murder away.



PS it's not murder they weren't ever conscious

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Fister Roboto posted:

Pulaski: "Tell me Prime Minister, how many of your people are clones?"
Riker: "Clones?!"
Pulaski: "Clones."
Prime Minister: "Clones."

And actual exchange in the episode.

It's better with, like, inflection.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I sympathize with people who don't like Ferengi episodes. I don't find Rom endearing or funny at all, and the Ferengi episodes are usually relatively Rom-heavy.

Counterpoint.

I laugh out loud every time I watch it.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

The "lol wrong turn" gag is funny, but are you saying it's Rom's "noooooo" that makes that scene for you? Because seriously, Rom's not doing anything for me in that scene.

It doesn't make the scene, but it is like a great opening warm-up act. It's funny and lighthearted and makes the second bit even better.


I like how Rom, Nog, and Quark grew as characters, which is more than anybody else in pretty much all of Trek ever did.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

The Fuzzy Hulk posted:

Seriously what the hell? They had no idea that would send young Molly back, they were just condemning their daughter to a life alone forever on a horrible prehistoric planet.

Sounds like somebody flunked Temporal Paradox Mechanics II at the academy

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Can you imagine ramming speed being any significant fraction of light speed? Just nova events constantly.

I feel like with the whole warp bubble thing, as soon as the bubble is pierced, the ship "drops out of warp" and has almost no momentum, making warp collisions essentially impossible.



Cue up seventeen references that refute this and also each other

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Movie was good. I have a number of nerdo quibbles, but that's to be expected. I liked it way more than I thought I would.

My one real gripe is that they once again created a totally unnecessary action sequence at the end with the gravity nexus chase scene. There were transporters all over the station, and likely other ships present as well. There was no need for Kirk to chase the maguffin down. Also, should have shot him instead of chatting. You have a stun setting. He is a terrorist with a bioweapon. Shoot him. Chat later.

Generally, though, quite enjoyable. That one scene definitely did get me right there.

I'll echo what has been said by at least one goon that the 3D wasn't very good and only really was pretty in the end credits sequence, but that was 99% generic Space Stuff.


The series teaser is rear end quality, but I'm still excited because I am a doormat fanboy. Wasn't there some recent news about it being on Netflix too, or did I dream that?

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Baronjutter posted:

Trying to create super dangerous perfect humans that ends up turning everyone old and killing them is ok, treating your son's learning disabilities so he can pass school and become a doctor or what ever is a serious serious violation of the law and needs to make you a 2nd class citizen.

You just need to file the correct forms.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Otisburg posted:

I really expected more people to object to the exquisite superstructure habtat porn as "too advanced" or "not matching the aesthetic" and am pleasantly suprised that's not the case.

I just saw it as non-Terran technology. The federation is big. One thing they've done well in the movie is made aliens more omnipresent, if still an obvious minority in starfleet for so many reasons.

The giant bubble seems like overengineered nonsense, but it might be really simple to make in a world with essentially free energy and replicators etc, plus it does the very Trek thing of optimistic awesome future really well.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Blast Prossessing Farfegnugen Retsin using Monster Cables (it's probably cool I dunno)

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

WickedHate posted:

Star Trek is in a weird position because it's typically thought of as harder sci fi than Star Wars, but it's all the more fake because it regularly goes into detail about it's fake science.

Star Trek is like "soft hard sci fi" because it often is about science.

Star Wars is space fantasy full of wizard knights and where science exists only tangentially to anything.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Even with those, it's an OK-to-good show, though. Worth watching if you are at all a Trek fan, just with cringeworthy bits and boring bits along with the good bits, like, you know, Star Trek.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Rhyno posted:

Okay seriously, these Vic Fontaine episodes are the worst.

I used to be wrong like this

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Duckbag posted:

That episode is actually pretty important character development for both Garak and Bashir.

e: Just rewatched it. My favorite part is how proud Garak is when Julian shoots him.

I'm a couple episodes past that on my nth rewatch. The one with RED SQUAD and the changelings on Earth and grandpa Sisko. Holy poo poo they have a better metaphor for post 9/11 terrorism than any show that's ever actually tried to make one.

:911: If the changelings want to ruin paradise, they'll have to do it themselves, we won't do it for them. :911:

I guess imagine that's a UFP flag and a crying Tarkosian Eagle.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I feel like skipping Farpoint will make the eventual references in All Good Things mean less.


Also, there is some great quotable B-roll on even "bad" episodes. We often remember them for their A-plot, and forget that a moment we love and remember is buried in the same episode.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I like Time's Arrow. Rather a lot.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

You cannot skip "Ménage à Troi". The ending is just too loving priceless.


"Mr. Crusher, set course for Betazed. ...warp nine."

Also, if it's a "first watchthrough" type thing, seeing the annoying Mrs Troi in TNG makes her relationship with Odo more important and more sweet in DS9

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Cojawfee posted:

"Get that thing off my bridge you stupid robot."

:laffo:

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Cojawfee posted:

In other news, the chief of police has issued a statement regarding the recent trend of cyber goths stealing iPhones around the city.

I would watch Borg in the City.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Trials and Tribbilations is incredibly well done and fantastic and good.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

even a show back in the Delta Quadrant, showing how Voyager totally hosed up their lives and the legends around them somehow.

Star Trek: Kazon is definitely what we've been clamoring for.



I'll admit, I'd prefer a Post VOY show to another in-betweenqual, though. Movie prequels are hard enough; open-ended, episodic series prequels are almost guaranteed to gently caress stuff up and annoy fans with no real positive tradeoff.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

The_Doctor posted:

This one? I loved this look! If Voyager had looked like this, I'd be very happy.



lol at the windows with a view of nothing but the back of a nacelle


I think it looks more like an overgrown shuttle, somehow.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Mortanis posted:

Also, what the hell happened to the theme song in S3? I never hated the original one, but this upbeat twangy version is really drat weird.

The same thing that happened to DS9's but even worse.

We hear you complained about the theme song, so just as you've come to appreciate it, we'll alter it for the worse.


For the record, I now like DS9 and VOY instrumental openings the best of any series, but the later season DS9 faster theme with pointless lovely buzzing poo poo was a mystifying change. Also, I never really minded Faith of the Heart, and think it was a decent accompaniment to the visuals and original intent of the prequel.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Falken posted:


We just got to the reveal that Bashir has been a changeling for a month, and everyone realises it has done stuff like deliver the O'Briens baby, and let a changeling die.

I watched that last week. Doesn't it seem like maybe nothing on-screen ever happened with changeling Bashir? He references a medical conference we didn't know about. There is no reason to think that the previous two episodes were within that month, is there? DS9 skips months between episodes all the time, often with an explicit line of dialogue saying so.

Is this just some nerd-who-figures-out-stardates kind of thing?

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Watching through DS9, I think I know part of why people dislike Vic Fontaine. He shows up immediately after In The Pale Moonlight. It could be that anything that followed that would feel like a letdown, and a soft non-war character piece especially so. Maybe it's for the best that they didn't try to follow it up with another high-tier episode.


For the record, I hated Vic and Vic episodes when DS9 was new. I don't hate him anymore.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Tunicate posted:

Reminder that Neelix was supposed to be 'Star Trek's Han Solo'.

Ahem

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

This seems to generally be because the weapon arrays on starships are so overwhelming that maneuverability is meaningless. Dennis Okuda wrote in a Star Trek Encyclopedia that the Enterprise-D can fire on 30 different targets simultaneously.

But we never saw that on screen, or even close to 30. We saw "Full spreads" of like 4 torpedoes, and pew pew ring-around-the phaser hitting a few things in rapid succession a couple times.

We did see ships be practically untargetable because they were too small and maneuverable more than once, including a runabout surviving for a decent amount of time against a jem'hadar fighter even though it is a piece of crap utility craft and not a dedicated warship.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Astroman posted:

"The Secret Intrigue Behind The Mirror Universe" is apparently...LESBIANS! :rolleyes:

The worst kept secret in two universes!

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I'm not saying that the asymptotic warp scale should be hauling garbage...

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The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
The ton of universal translator plotholes are the most glaring aspect of Trek not being "hard" sci-fi.

Even Archer goes undercover on an alien world, with UT tech that is shown to be in its infancy. All the undercover secret quadruple-agent plots wouldn't work as easily otherwise.

Of course, with their arbitrary tech, Kira and Troi could have simply had Cardassian and Romulan language written straight into their brains and it wouldn't have come close to being the least believable thing about those plots.



I loved how the UT worked in Beyond, but I was simultaneously annoyed at how different it was from every other Trek ever.

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