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Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Yvonmukluk posted:

It'd be cool to have an episode where they find a planet where the transplanted culture has become spacefaring in their own right, because they didn't just stagnate from when they were taken. Give me a Space Wakanda episode, dammit!

Unrelated note: there never was a canonical on-screen explanation of Uhura's backstory, was there?

Just saying, SNW writers...

There was the Roman Empire planet that made it to 20th century equivalent in TOS.

According to Memory Beta they ended up joining the Federation by the mid 24th century, which means they must have invented warp drive on their own after TOS but before TNG.

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Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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TOS Movie era Klingons did tend to talk a lot of poo poo about how they were only responding to Starfleet aggression and provocation.

It's probably a 'Democratic People's Republic' sort of situation.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Cojawfee posted:

The federation should have kept working on the phasing tech, but without cloaking. Imagine going into any battle and all your disruptor blasts go straight through the other ship.

Yeah but all the crew members who were in the path of that disruptor blast are now blind.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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The Saddest Robot posted:

In the star trek universe stars can randomly explode for no reason. There's no way to detect when a star is going to randomly go nova.

Unlike reality where we can identify stars that are likely to go supernova any minute now* with our existing technology.

*(any minute now, +/- a few million years.)

If a star goes nova with no obvious reason it means the Q are fighting again.

You'd think they could just fix the stars after they're done fighting but they're kind of lovely.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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I'm surprised we never saw any alien of the week using a propulsion method that makes temporary wormholes to wherever they want to go.

I did like that soliton wave thing where they built a station that pushed ships to their destination. Of course it hosed up and nearly blew up a planet, but I like it in a hard sci-fi beamsail kind of concept like having a laser push a ship along.

Of course warp works best as just a generic 'go wherever, go fast, have encounters and detours in deep space' travel method which is why we never see anything different used routinely.

I do remember reading an old TOS novel where the ship lost warp drive in deep space and they were setting themselves up for a full impulse jaunt to the nearest star system which would take months of subjective time for them but see years passing for the rest of the universe. That was really cool.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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There was also the episode where aliens wanted to understand command and obedience so the Picard imposter was like, "Set a course... warp 2!" and everyone was flabbergasted at how it'd take them forever to get anywhere.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Is the second from the right dude meant to be a Talaxian?

Using more out there aliens is cool, but I wish they were more recognisable ones. Give us the dude with the transparent skull!

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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She's got a surgeon's hands, of course she's got steady aim.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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The problem with Birth of the Federation is that Romulans are OP as gently caress since they get a free turn at the start of battle when they decloak and can usually wipe out the enemy fleet without ever taking a shot.

One thing I still remember from the Final Unity game that stuck with me is there's a part where you have to take down a forcefield in your way. If you shoot it with your phaser it basically does nothing, but you can use your tricorder to scan it and get a frequency to tune your phaser to. Depending on which crew member does the scan action they'll give different answers. Like Riker will say it's 9.2 gigahertz and if you use that it'll just make the field flicker for a second, but if you use a science or engineering officer they'll give a more precise 9.234 gigahertz answer that'll take it down long enough to get by. If you get Data to do the scan he gives an overly precise 9.2345678 gigahertz answer that pretty much destroys the field. I liked that the 'Data goes into way too much detail in his answers' trope ended up being actually useful.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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So like, I haven't seen Discovery or anything but apparently it's a thing in the 30th century all the dilithium in the universe explodes and so no one has warp drive anymore? But isn't the dilithium just used to stabilise the matter/anti-matter reaction that powers most warp drives, and Romulans have perfectly good warp drives powered by artificial singularities?

Did that technology get forgotten when the Romulans were all killed in Picard?

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Nitrousoxide posted:

Remember when Q was trying to tempt Riker into becoming a Q and he creates those woman, who's entire life consisted of rubbing Will's chest for about 10 seconds before being obliterated into nothingness.

Maybe Q went back in time five minutes to go to Risa and say to a couple of women, "Can you come rub this guy's chest and act all sexy for a few? I'll resurrect your favourite childhood pet if you do," and then just teleported them in and out for the bit rather than going to the trouble of creating fully complete women.

Or maybe they're holograms. Q could make a holo-character outside of a holodeck.

Maybe Q just created a few extra bodies of himself and shapeshifted them to look like women. Every Q body we see is just a projection of this god-like extradimensional being anyway.

Even with unlimited power, there's lots of ways Q could actually perform his various tricks.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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I remember there was a bit in early DS9 about the Federation dropping off a couple of industrial replicators to help Bajor with rebuilding, so like even if you're not planning on joining the Federation, it's still an amazing way to get a look at their technology to build your planet up in the future.

No wonder everyone in the Alpha Quadrant maintains technological parity with the Federation.

Also no wonder the Federation tries to avoid dealing with planets that don't have a unified one world government, imagine some aliens rocked up to Earth tomorrow and said, "Here we've got these two machines that can make endless amounts of any resource of item you want, where should we drop them off?"

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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HD DAD posted:

She had some glints of a unique personality, maybe from season 2/3 onwards. I like when she was portrayed as a snarky party girl that sometimes grated on people. Like that one moment in The Ship where she keeps cracking jokes, and Sisko basically tells her to shut the gently caress up because being a wise rear end isn’t helping.

Sadly, that only showed up every once in a blue moon.

Yeah, her character wasn't very well fleshed out but Jadzia kind of felt like the most 'stereotypcially Federation' kind of person in that she's a highly educated hedonist, basically. She's not the most Trill or the most Klingon or the most Human, or even the most Starfleet, but she best embodies the sum of parts that the Federation is, in all its post scarcity utopia-ness.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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HopperUK posted:

Are Dominion ships purple in theme because of the Vorta or do the Vorta have purple eyes because the Founders just really like that colour?

It probably is because of the purple eyes. Vorta have lovely vision don't they? So having all their stuff be purple, which they can probably see well, makes sense. The Founders themselves are hands off enough to not really care about the logistics of running the Dominion day to day, although their favourite colour would probably be like... gold-orange whatever you call the colour used when they're liquid.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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SlothfulCobra posted:

The Founders sneer at the fact that spaceships have to be made out of rigid metal instead of some kind of jelly.

Now I really wish the Dominion ships were transformers. Like gelatinous shapechanging bioships are just beyond their technology so they do the best they can with mechanical shapechanging ships.

Just picturing one of the Founders infiltrating Starfleet HQ and seeing an Intrepid class's folding nacelles and nodding.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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I really wanted to see the Founders have to deal with a god-like energy being.

"Oh what's that, looking down on those solids are you? Call me when you transcend corporeal matter and then maybe we'll have something to talk about."

Then again, I guess they had to deal with the Prophets and it went about as badly for them.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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I always thought the Organians from TOS were particularly interesting since they're not interdimensional eldritch beings like Q or the Prophets, they straight up have a homeworld they all live on and you can go visit it, and they actively involve themselves in the relationship between the Klingons and Federation by setting terms for how the two deal with each other and with neutral planets along their border, enforced by the threat of the Organians immobilising their entire space fleets.

I know they appeared in Enterprise so they weren't forgotten about like poor Apollo, and I kind of wish more had been done with them in modern Trek.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Who says the temporal police only police things going backwards? Maybe some 32nd century dude tries to mess with time to stop the Burn only to get his poo poo wrecked by 29th century timecops.

Actually that's kind of a cool idea for a faction. Some remnant Iconian Timecop division that shows up randomly to gently caress with poo poo and don't care that their civilization is long dead because they're committed to policing the overall timeline.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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HopperUK posted:

The Federation didn't free Bajor from the Cardassians, except incidentally. I don't think it was actually part of the Fed-Card war, was it? It's just that Bajor was getting to be more trouble than it was worth to an occupying force dealing with war on a few fronts and they decided to ditch.

The Cardassians only left Bajor in 2369, immediately before DS9 begins.

So yeah, the occupation and accompanying holocaust is going on while everyone's yucking it up on TNG.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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The_Doctor posted:

I really liked the runabouts, and the fact you could definitely use one as a personal ship, living on it if necessary. What happens in a shuttle craft if you need the toilet? Is it under the bench? Does the other occupant then politely ignore you?

Yeah, like sure a runabout's tiny compared to a big galaxy class thing, but it's like a yacht or fishing boat compared to a cruise liner or aircraft carrier. It's still a proper boat as opposed to shuttlecraft which are basically dinghies.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Verviticus posted:

i love it because even during all of this its so obvious that dukat really wants weyoun to perceive him as such a wise and insightful person

Also mad props to Weyoun. Like in an earlier episode the augment squad have calculated everything out for why the Federation should surrender to the Dominion because it'll save lives and a rebellion originating on Earth in the future will create an even stronger Federation afterwards.

And here Weyoun's just casually saying they're going to depopulate Earth as soon as they win, completely dooming that entire concept.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Nessus posted:

The Dominion is unique for these star empires (at least in film/TV) for having the seeds of its defeat be basically built in, pretty much from the beginning. I actually slightly disliked that beat with Earth but it does make sense that Earth seems to be the de-facto Federation capital world.

Yeah, I dislike the constant focus on Earth is in danger to show stakes or Earth is the lynchpin of the Federation. The movie era Klingons were right with those homo sapiens only club jibes.

I think a cool concept would've been for the Federation to have some huge space station as their capital, like the Citadel in Mass Effect since we're ripping that off lately.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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thotsky posted:

Is there any canon explanation for where the federation gets its anti-deuterium, and why dilithium crystals are needed when the federation is shown as capable of handling anti-matter with antimatter containment fields (such as used in antimatter storage pods)?

I vaguely remember the TNG Technical Manual mentioning anti-matter processing facilities built close to suns. I think the containment fields are fine for storage but the dilithium's needed for when anti-matter and matter meet so the reaction gets channelled safely?

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Late to classical music chat but whatevs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C52MXbkhepQ

Also yeah, Ambassador class is cool, wish we'd gotten to see a few of those tooling around DS9 or in the big Dominion War battles instead of all the Mirandas and Excelsiors.

Remember the TOS Dreadnought class? Never on screen but it was in one of those old books like Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise or Worlds of the Federation or something like that.



Anything with more than or fewer than two nacelles is heresy, always has been.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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If we develop immortality it needs to be made available for all, and then we need to develop a means to restore the dead and use it on everyone who has ever died and grant them the gift of immortality too.

Trillions of humans from every period of history living on some huge rear end dyson sphere. Or maybe our immortal bodies won't need a dyson sphere, we can just float freely through space, untethered by material needs.

I want my Fyodorov-Posadism utopian space future.

The immortal bodies look like dolphins.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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nine-gear crow posted:

I mean, that's a basic convention of dramatic writing. The alternative is:

Com: Kira to Sisko, you better get down to Ops.
Sisko: What is it?
Kira: O'Brien got his hand stuck in a pipe again and can't get it out.
Sisko: Oh, thank you for letting me know, Major.

And then there's suddenly no reason to cut to Sisko in Ops staring at O'Brien lodged halfway inside a bulkhead.

It is a basic convention, but it's one Trek abuses way too much.

They could even mix it up a bit using information the characters know but we don't.

Geordi: Captain we've got a situation in engineering.
Picard: What is it?
Geordi: It's a code Gamma 12, sir.
Picard: Merde.

Cut to the senior staff staring in shock at ensign Nunez phased halfway through the floor while Data scans with the tricorder.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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thotsky posted:

TOS is a horror show with out of place quips thrown in.

Maybe my memory's off since I haven't watched TOS in decades, but a lot of episodes end on a joke with either Kirk looking wryly bemused while the 'playful flighty' music plays, or the bridge crew laughing while Spock looks perplexed.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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I loved the part where Damar found out his family had been executed by the Dominion and he was raging over what kind of people could do that and Kira just looks at him ice cold and says, "Yeah Damar, what kind of people could do that?"

The Major don't miss. (was she a colonel by then?)

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I love the established Cardassian trait of 'talks a lot' and how Dukat and Garak both conform to it while Damar really doesn't. There's a scene during the occupation of DS9 where Weyoun twits Dukat for talking a lot, and Weyoun is chatty himself.

Did that El Aurian who showed up with the dodgy casino ever talk to Garak? Probably not.

I'm picturing Guinan in ten forward saying how she's a Listener and Gul Dukat appears and is like, "Really?"

The scene ends with her busting out that phaser rifle from under the bar.

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Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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gently caress it lets just watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjd9RgRUQDY

Damar too, the moment where he walks up to Kira and you're not sure if he's going to go off on her or what, but he barely moves his head in the tiniest little nod before he walks off without a word.

That is a good loving scene.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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nine-gear crow posted:

Where will YOU be when the inertial dampeners fail?

Don't run across the bridge when the captain says, "Brace for impact."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKs5MnrFl0

Also on replicator chat, how does programming it work? Does some pointdexter have to code in a mass of molecular diagrams, or can you just slam your mom's famous chilli into the replicator and say, "Computer, decompile and save as pattern 'Chilli'."?

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Epicurius posted:

Some of Diane Duane's books are good. One of her TOS novels got turned into the TNG episode "Where No One Has Gone Before", she wrote a pretty good TNG mirror universe book called Dark Mirror, and her "Spock's World" and "Rihannsu" novels did a lot to flesh out the Vulcans and Romulans.

Dark Mirror was really fun and I was disappointed when the DS9 Mirror Universe stuff effectively retconned it.

Troi as some telepathic Stasi agent stomping around the mirror Enterprise bringing people in for thoughtcrimes was some cool poo poo.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Also while invisible ships firing invisible lasers at each other saves a fortune on the special effects budget, it's not exactly a ratings grabber.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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I like the big red glowy bits on the front of the Ent-D's nacelles.

They really sell them as weak points so that when another ship collides with one of them it causes the entire ship to catastrophically explode.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:

Hopefully with the memory leak pre-patched and stuff optimized. The Borg event was also ridiculous.

Nothing like playing as the Romulans to cheese everything. Can't adapt to cloaking devices, binches.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Probably every Federation world has an ambassador to every other Federation world to explain why there's so many of them.

Spock probably got named Vulcan ambassador to Setlick III as some prestigious do-nothing title that lets him bum rides on Starfleet ships whenever he wants.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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SlothfulCobra posted:

Another thing Enterprise seems to be missing is that there don't really seem to be many encounters with more powerful aliens. There's aliens with like a little more technological development where they've got TNG/TOS-style tech, but there's no episodes where they just run into something that they talk about how they can't even conceive how it works, and no godlike beings. Which I guess is for the best, since Archer really wants to always have the option to blow up whoever he's dealing with.

Isn't there an episode where they meet the godlike Organians and Archer loses his poo poo at them for not using their powers to help less advanced species like humans?

I don't know if it was before or after Archer justified not providing the cure to a deadly plague to a less advanced species on account of some hypothetical 'directive'.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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nine-gear crow posted:

This chart also shows it would have been smarter and faster if Janeway had instead booked it for the Gamma Quadrant exit point of the Bajoran wormhole instead of making a beeline for Earth through the Delta and Beta Quadrants.

The question is though, could Voyager chump the Dominion as easily as they clumped the Borg?

From messing around in paint it looks like the line from Caretaker to Gamma Quadrant end of Bajoran Wormhole is about equivalent to the line from Caretaker to like just a bit past J25, so it might've saved them maybe 5 years at most and relies on the wormhole not being destabilised in the intervening 60 or so years. Can't really blame her for not rolling those dice.

Still, it is weird to think about how loving tiny the volume of space occupied by the Federation and co is. Like they talk about them as 'Alpha Quadrant powers' and like there could be all kinds of wack poo poo in the Perseus Arm or the Long Bar or the Outer Arm that completely dwarfs them. I mean, I'm sure their long range exploratory missions have gone out quite a ways past the actual political sphere they occupy, but I doubt any have gotten beyond the cartographic circle surrounding their spot on the map. Barring TOS weirdness with the galactic barrier or visiting God in the centre of the galaxy.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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Given how he talks to Worf, we can be pretty sure he doesn't like Klingons.

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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I liked how in the old TOS point and click games the redshirt basically acted as your extra life.

gently caress up with something dangerous and the random ensign takes the hit. Once they're dead and you gently caress up with something dangerous later on, Kirk dies and it's game over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUXTg2QKS3E

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Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

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John Wick of Dogs posted:

I wonder if you have empathy as a superpower and there's somebody who has a crush on you and can't stop thinking about how great they think you are do you get kind of a high off of being around them

Probably depends on how naturally confident you are. Could really gently caress with you if you have imposter syndrome.

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