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Just watched the TNG episode Lower Decks (S7E15). It's a pretty good episode; it does struggle with some pacing issues, but it is a really interesting look into how the chain of command works on the ship, and the lot of the junior officers. However, one thing that stood out as weird to me was how sad/introspective Worf was with the death of the ensign he supported. He should be happy for her; that has been established in previous episodes.
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I thought it was a decent episode, that would have had huge implications if TNG was a contemporary show, but since it is not the only lasting effect of a lifetime of experiences is that Picard picks up a flute now and again. I hope the new Picard show (if it is still a thing) will go into the psychological ramifications of Picard having had his brain rewired by aliens more than once, with a nice big torture cherry on top.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Let me guess, you're a Discovery fan. No, I hate it. TNG>>>DS9>TOS>>ENT>VOY>>>STD TNG is the best show, but just because I love the serialized format that does not excuse the silly hoops it jumps through to have everything go back to normal for the next episode, nor the missed opportunities for character development. thotsky fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Feb 11, 2019 |
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Feb 11, 2019 14:23
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the ep with his brother was good
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Feb 11, 2019 22:09
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"The andorian stuff", and by that I mean Jeffrey Combs, is the only good reason to watch Enterprise.
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Feb 14, 2019 16:57
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Just watch Discovery. Seriously, watching any of the old Trek stuff will probably just confuse rather than provide context; it's a very different type of show, seemingly created for an audience that probably only have a relationship to the J. J. Abrams movies, if anything.
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Feb 24, 2019 19:36
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In the context of "Hey, I really wanna watch this show, but I feel like I have to get up to speed with the previous shows to appreciate it" it makes sense to say there's no need. That's usually the framing for these kinds of questions. If what she actually wants is to just watch some old Trek then go for it, but that's not what I got from the original post.
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Feb 25, 2019 00:39
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Worf is a good character, and is good and interesting in TNG.
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Mar 2, 2019 11:56
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With all the times they've beamed people off of exploding ships it's a wonder they don't end up with more half-disintegrated, frozen or on-fire people in the transporter room.
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Mar 10, 2019 13:40
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I really feel like the people decrying Disco as edgelord fascist Trek haven’t watched anything in season 2, or even anything past the admittedly awful season 1 openers. Why would anyone watch the show beyond the, in your words, "awful" season 1? Taear posted:"We'd like to leave so we can create a scarcity society" would have me there investigating it at least. Sodomy Hussein posted:Yes, but this is handled inconsistently, so Picard will say things that are straight-up untrue when taken with the totality of Star Trek. I think Picard is telling the truth; but it's a truth within a certain cultural and ideological context. There is no money/capitalism in "the federation" (using an admittedly human-centric view of the federation); that's the ideal they aspire to, and as far as earth and most of the human settlements is concerned, also the practical reality. However, there are exceptions. Starfleet is one such exception; they and the colonizing efforts that Starfleet support are explorers and so are often put in situations where they're exposed to, or even expected to coexist with other cultures. Starfleet and colonists are sometimes placed in situations where scarcity is a factor, or where cultural norms demand trade; it would severely threaten the primary mission of Starfleet to refuse to engage with any culture engaging in Capitalism, although I would love to have seen episodes that dealt with human efforts to maintain and protect their ideology when threatened by the corrupting influence of Capitalism. Most of the stuff we see in the show is explicitly "the wild west". It's the unknown and the frontier. They make fun of this in the first episode of DS9, where Bashir pretty much embodies the idea of the white man come to bring western medicine to the natives, but it's the basic truth of the show. Chief O'Brien is crazy to want to raise his daughter on DS9. The Federation are committing a huge amount of resources to rebuild Bajor and control this sector of space, but it's still the fringes, and Sisko clearly cannot replicate the whole planet for the Bajorans. Trade is meant to be the exception to the rule, and most episodes take place in exceptional circumstances because that is where the drama is. So, while Picard might technically be saying something false out of context, I believe the reality he is describing is the reality for most humans in that universe, just not always the people we follow. thotsky fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 17, 2019 22:35
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A lot of non-federation/semi-federation cultures feel like caricatures of humanity's past. The Klingon obsession with honor could be an attempt to make sense of and bring some semblance of order to their feudal system (and possibly their "savage" nature), which is what a lot of people seem to think religion does or did for humans. And, just like religion, those systems too are flawed and corruptible, which is why you end up with such an exploitable and inconsistent application of honor in episodes featuring klingons. When you bring Kahless into it the analogy becomes even more apparent. Or, you know, klingons have always been badly written and any time they show up after TOS is an inconsistent mess that makes no sense, but that's not a take I want to ascribe to since I like the TNG/DS9 klingons so much. thotsky fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Mar 18, 2019 |
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Mar 18, 2019 04:12
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You can shoot through the shields because you have the frequency. You can't transport through the shields because, even with the frequency, it fucks with the signal.
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Apr 2, 2019 16:36
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SAD is fake, it only happens in Scandinavia
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Apr 4, 2019 09:52
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Rewatching DS9 with the girlfriend. The episode with the Nazi filing clerk is a bit messy. I enjoy the twist, and the performances are good (Kira does get a bit melodramatic at the end, but otherwise solid). However, as a holocaust analogy it is worryingly liberal, basically taking the stance that just following orders is a valid excuse and feeling remorse for war crimes absolves you of any involvement. The dude is still a Nazi; Kira should know better. I do like the throw away line the Nazi has about wanting to martyr himself because he is still a nationalist and believes Cardassia can only survive if it acknowledges and atones for its atrocities. The core of the twist/emotional impact/episode is still that the Nazi is remorseful, and putting those lines in their does blunts the impact/message just a little, but it serves to remind us that the dude is still a Nazi/Cardassian/Alien and adds at least the impression of complexity to a pretty transparent analogy. thotsky fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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Apr 25, 2019 09:17
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I am not saying he is a necessarily an up against the wall now kind of Nazi, but he is most definitely still a prison sentence type of Nazi. He admits to being aware of the atrocities and doing nothing about them. His latter actions should be viewed as too little too late, and his choice of going about it, reinventing himself as a person of power in order to protect the honor of his homeland, is questionable. Of course, even if you agree with the writers that to stand by while your fellow soldiers commit war crimes is okay (Picard would not approve), and you don't think the lines about his efficient filing system might be a reference to possible complicity (IBM in the holocaust etc), we still only have his word that he did not participate in any war crimes. He's been placed at the scene of the crime, he acknowledges that the crimes happened and that he were aware of them, but because he professes regret many years later he gets sent on his way, no questions asked? Edit: As for the difference between nationalism and patriotism... I don't think you can have one without the other, and neither are necessarily bad... In this episode I think/hope the perspective is included mostly to show how culturally integral nationalism is to Cardassians, that even a supposed critic of the regime thinks in those terms. It's like how they give depth to the ferengi not by making them about more than profit, but by showing how much of their society and thinking is informed by that perspective. The alternative is that it is a really cheap (and ironic) American-centric way of telling the audience that this is a good guy by having him saying something "patriotic". thotsky fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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Apr 25, 2019 11:32
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The British invented concentration camps, but they're not who comes to mind when you depict them. Ignoring the clear holocaust references of the episode and claiming that Cardassians is in no way a Nazi analogy is really silly, as is calling people tankies online because they don't agree with your take on a Star Trek culture.
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Apr 25, 2019 18:17
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First episode of DS9 season 2 is really good. Brisk pace, a lot more drama and higher stakes then season 1. The delivery is more theatrical. It feels fresh. Odo when Kira is about to leave is glorious. Kira is given an orgasm by an orb. Sisko ups the dangerous statesman routine.
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Apr 27, 2019 22:16
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The latest and greatest Enterprise-D toy looks real nice, but having a single button for a bunch of quotes and stuff is a stupid step backwards compared to separate buttons for phasers, torpedos etc...
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Apr 28, 2019 17:49
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Star Trek reboot where instead of the steady decline from possibly-socialist liberalism to post 9/11 paranoia and militarism we get to see what that universe would look like if the radical notions people ascribe to Star Trek were actually fully expressed in the text. Let Starfleet be the military arm of a socialist government, and either do away with the prime directive altogether, or have it be an actual source of conflict within the Federation instead of something to be paid lip service and ignored at the earliest convenience. Explore what it means to be post-scarcity. Get a producer who's not a liberal Hollywood type and hire on a lot of political and weirdo writers who will serve up a mix of trippy space poo poo and ideological conflict.
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Apr 30, 2019 22:20
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Resurrect Ursula K. Le Guin.
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Pick posted:Literally called out how hosed up we, specifically, us, are, in 1972. you go, girl. The sexual angle makes it come across as very conservative, maybe even fashy, but I like the idea that we're trading for the scraps of more technologically advanced aliens / in danger of being enslaved by them. That's pretty similar to David Brin's Uplift Universe. The parallel to colonization is interesting. thotsky fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Apr 30, 2019 23:01
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Baronjutter posted:It's a interesting short story but I don't think the human race will doom its self by becoming gently caress-obsessed to the point of oblivion if we ever met aliens, specially weird totally non-humanoid aliens. 
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corn in the bible posted:david brin looooooved to write about animal fuckin' and that's no good I must have glossed over that part  I'd go back to check but the pages are stuck together now
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And then he lied about it, which I guess is meant to be creepy as they established in the episode that Data is incapable of hurting a human, but that's pretty dumb conceit I am pretty sure they dropped in later episodes. I don't think Data would be capable of being a star fleet officer if he couldn't harm other sentient beings; space battles and all.
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You're probably right, but I still don't think that makes any sense. Federation officers are expected to use force to achieve political goals as well. Don't they play up Datas pokerface and ability to be coldly rational as an intimidating factor in some later episode? Or am I conflating his demeanor when dressing down Worf as his second in command? I remember him as a bit of a bad rear end when being in command. thotsky fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jul 7, 2019 |
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Jul 7, 2019 14:47
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I imagine a 4K version of Babylon 5 would look something like that. It's good, but a lot of the lighting seems off to me and the camera work in combination with the sky-box looks really static and weird right after the comet. There is a distinct video-game quality to it all.
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Jul 20, 2019 03:03
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Hipster_Doofus posted:What does sky-box mean? The video is essentially "recorded" by a virtual camera in a square virtual world. The boundaries of this world get a texture applied to them. In video games this is usually the sky; therefore "sky-box". In this case it's stars and stuff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skybox_%28video_games%29
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So, since they're doing the Picard show in the STD universe (they are right?), what do people think the Borg will be like? They changed the Klingons a lot for STD, so I guess we can expect the same for the the Picard show? Or is this going to turn out to be in a different timeline or a mirror universe deal? Also, Patrick Stewart seems way too old for this, even in the small clips they picked for the trailer. Seems like they're taking a pretty big risk casting all of these old timers. I guess Picard would be the right character to confront Ageism with, but if it does not work out will the nostalgia alone enough to revitalize the franchise, or even compete with The Orville? I guess they did keep making the TOS movies for a good long while...
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Drink-Mix Man posted:As for Picard, they seem to be leaning into the fact that he's an old man as part of the story. I don't know what he seems too old for with that in mind, unless you're expecting him to do action stuff again. (I get the impression this is more about him as a leader, though.) I dig it, there was something cool to me about theme of an old, irrelevant hero going "I don't want the game to end." Too old for his character. Like, the series is called Picard, and is announced after the fans became upset that the Star Trek that is being produced is not like the Treks of old, so I think it stands to reason that we can take them on their word when they say they're bring back "Captain Picard". I am worried that Patrick Stewart is unable to inhabit that character convincingly. Basically, he looks too frail. He's not commanding. They leaned into that with Logan, and it worked because the character we see there is very much not Professor X anymore, but an addled old man needing to be cared for. He's meant to evoke pity, and does so wonderfully. In contrast all we've heard thus far point to Picard being about Picard having to come out of retirement for one last adventure, something only he can do. The line in the trailer is "be the Captain they remember"; I think that's what a lot of fans want too, and I have not seen anything that suggest Stewart is up to the task. thotsky fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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Zurui posted:Can we please stop with this poo poo? Some people like Discovery and it doesn't mean their tastes are OBJECTIVELY TERRIBLE, it just means they enjoyed an incarnation of a show you didn't. I mean, it's at least subjectively terrible.
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Jul 24, 2019 03:08
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Seems pretty likely the "Data" we saw speaking in the trailer is a holodeck program then; an indulgence of Captain Picard perhaps.
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While Worf is particularly wrong in Darmok it is ultimately Riker who fucks everything up for everyone. Every decision he makes takes the situation closer to catastrophy. The Alien Captain would be alive if not for him. It would be in character for him in Season 1, where he's shown to be impulive and very protective of his Captain, but this is in Season 5; he's got his beard now and really should know better.
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STD is the grilled cheese made with ketchup, kraft singles and 8+ year old dried oregano. Really lovely, and not actually pizza.
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Aug 6, 2019 08:27
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It's probably racist, but I always imagined Klingon food to be analogous to Sichuan cuisine; bold flavors, with a focus on a broad range of textures. ...there might have been multiple occasions where I've said "would you like something easier?" to dinner companions at Sichuan restaurants.
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Watched the DS9 episode where a paranoid O'Brien runs around until the big reveal a few second before the end of the episode. Very hosed up. Very Twillight Zone / Outer Limits. However, the premise starts falling apart when you think about it. Why would they even allow him freedom around the station? Why risk having him around Keiko and the kid? They don't seem to care much when he gets shot, so why not shoot or imprison him right off the bat? Maybe you could justify it by saying it was an attempt at counter-intelligence, or that it was all some Starfleet ethics thing, but they never touch upon that in the episode.
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She was the best, and should have become a a regular. She completely makes it clear how much of a weirdo Worf is though, and I guess they didn't wanna explore that.
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Being a member of Starfleet does seem to carry with it a significant amount of status, but crucially this is mostly expressed on the show by other members of starfleet and supportive family. A lot of Trek stuff seems to come with a good chance of unreliable narrators or whatever, and I think this might be one of those cases. Starfleet people are nuts, putting themselves in frequent mortal danger as a hobby, and clearly try to instill this in their children, which is why it is such a generational thing. I don't think it is something most people strive for like the Trill do with symbiosis, we are just led to believe this because the Starfleet characters we all know are bonkers. Sometimes there are stuff that hints towards this possibility. Quark delivers a lot of it, but you can tell from how Sisko tries indoctrinating Jake even though he knows better, Picards brother is probably more honest than just being difficult or jealous etc..
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In the episode Facets in DS9, Jadzia discovers that the reason Curzon expelled her from the initiate program was because he had fallen in love with her. However, this does not really make sense. Surely she would know this already, having received Curzons memories when she was joined with Dax. I guess she could have lingering insecurities about her expulsion, which then get brought to the surface when Curzons memories are extracted from her, but she decides to confront Curzon about the reason she was expelled before his memories are removed from her.
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I thought they established in the episode about the murderer host that hiding stuff from latter hosts was a huge deal.
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Grand Fromage posted:This rejected design for the Ent-F is my favorite fan Trek ship design I think. Looks kind of hot rod-ish.
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