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Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Brother Entropy posted:

nah midnight est sounds plausible, nintendo's definitely done it before

it'd be nice if they did preloading for mhg though

They've never done it for a third party game, AFAIK.

MH4U didn't get a midnight release on the eShop even though Majora's Mask 3DS released the exact same day and did get a midnight release. I was so disappointed that night.

# ¿ Jul 14, 2016 04:59

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# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 20:53

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Lovely Senorita posted:

what's the time between grabbig your first palico and grabbing your first free gather quests? if there's one thing to do off the bat, it's to get the most tedious of the gathering out of the way

Zero. You can start the game and immediately recruit a palico. Gathering quests are available from the start in the guild hall as well.

# ¿ Jul 14, 2016 21:10

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

For people who played MHX, is SnS viable this game without bombing? I've always wanted to try it but I'm waaaay too lazy to farm consumables besides potions.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2016 06:56

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Kiggles posted:

Wait. Is Plesioth seriously the first HR urgent?

Abandon all hope.

# ¿ Jul 18, 2016 07:54

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Ciaphas posted:

What do you all prefer for hammer time, aerial or adept?

Guild, actually. Adept dodge is quite nice and all but I can't stand losing the LV2 charge uppercut. Plus I really like having two arts, all three Hammer arts are really good.

Aerox posted:

I've come back to Monster Hunter after giving 4 and Tri a go. I was terrible at Tri and gave up on it. I got about 20 hours into 4 and was finally getting the hang of it but real life made me put it down and I've completely forgotten almost everything skill-wise I learned from it.

Generations seems pretty great, but I'm already overwhelmed with the styles and even more weapons than before. I mained switch axe in 4 but it feels really, really different in this one (or more likely I just forgot how to use it) and I dropped it almost immediately. I've only done the very first gathering quest so I'm not committed at all -- what's a solid weapon+style combination that's good for someone with base familiarity with the game but never got very far in any of the previous ones? It seems like every time I play this game I end up picking a weapon that I didn't realize was way too complicated for my beginner skill level and get frustrated and give up.

Striker Longsword is great and extremely simple. Gauge management becomes super easy. The Sakura Slash art instantly bumps you up an entire level and Unhinged Spirit gives you infinite gauge for up to 90(!) seconds. For your third art you can take Absolute Evasion if you feel that Critical Juncture (the final LS-specific counter art) is too hard to use.

# ¿ Jul 18, 2016 18:28

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Thoom posted:

I really like all the new tricks SnS got in MHG, but looking at the weapon oils, 100 wycademy points a pop seems expensive for something you're meant to apply several of each hunt. I feel like that'd be a significant reduction in income. Are the points plentiful enough (and other things to spend them on scarce enough) that I just shouldn't worry about it?

You can also buy them for regular money at the store. But yeah, points are way more plentiful in MHG than in any previous game.

# ¿ Jul 18, 2016 18:49

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

What does the diamonds on the start menu > status > equipment mean?
And how many skill points does it take to trigger a skill and where does it tell you this?
I have like a million questions about the UI.

The color inside the diamond is the pigment that armor piece currently has, which determines the color of certain details of that armor piece. You can actually change these colors by going to the item box in your house and selecting Change Appearance > Change Armor Pigment. How the armor piece actually changes color depends on every specific piece. Mostly it's just little trims and straps that change color, but sometimes it can be a huge change. For example, the Bulldrome Cap used in the popular BujaBujaBu set actually changes the color of the entire thing which means you can go out hunting with giant blue or red wig if you want to.

Skills all trigger at 10 points. Some might have additional levels, usually every 5 points thereafter. So Attack Up requires 10 points for Small, 15 for Medium and 20 for Large, but some skills don't have additional levels. You can check specific skills by hitting the Y button in the big skill screen which details all your skills, which is the last page of the Status panel, Skill Details.

More usefully, you can also do this in the shop to check skills on any equipment you're browsing. Select any armor piece and hit Y, this will bring up this same screen, but showing a preview of what your skill totals would look like with the selected piece equipped. From there you can hit Y again to check the skill details.

Calaveron posted:

I don't understand how the name Tetsucabra relates to the monster's leaping abilities and giant jaws unless I guess it's a japanese thing but you'd think they wouldn't translate the bit of dialogue that explains that into the english version.

From MH4U's translation blog:

quote:

The naming process for Tetsucabra was a bit longer than we had anticipated. The monster�s Japanese name alludes to iron (hence �tetsu�), and character traits such as stubborn and demonic, so we aimed for a stubborn, tough-sounding name, and came up with Cabrado and Testaran. The former was based on a combination of obstinado (Spanish for stubborn) and an attempt to keep the cabura (かぶら) part of the Japanese name, which is a type of ogre-like tile found on Japanese rooftops. Testaran was conceived by combining testardo (Italian for stubborn, bullheaded) and Ranidae, the scientific family name for true frogs.

When we ran these names by Fujioka-san, he rejected both of them and asked for a couple of new proposals. The names themselves weren�t bad at all, he said, but Tetsucabra (and its subspecies) was designed with some Japanese overtones. Believe it or not, many of Tetsucabra�s attacks are based on sumo techniques, such as the sidestomp, which mimics a traditional shikogeri (四股蹴り), and his kanji name (鬼蛙) was created to appear more Japanese in nature. Knowing this information really helped, and we decided that if the monster was designed to be more Japanese, we ought to stick with the Japanese name for MH4U.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2016 00:22

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

C-Euro posted:

How do I stop thinking that the Hammer has a longer reach than it actually does? I keep whiffing when monsters will shift positions slightly, and on anything where the head is just a little higher off the ground (Hermitaur, R Ludroth) I can never get consistent head hits.

It's easier to hit heads from the side, because there's less chance monster movement will make you miss. Instead of standing directly in front of Royal Ludroth, try hitting his face from the side. When using the triple pound, remember the golfswing is the most important hit, since it carries a massive 50 stun value. The golfswing arcs from your lower right to your upper left, this means that you want to favor standing on the right side of the monster, otherwise your golfswing might end up hitting the neck instead of the head which absolutely sucks because all that stun damage is wasted.

As for crabs, you have to accept that the Hammer just can't hit certain heads reliably with the lovely range. Hit the legs until you trip him then go for the face.

Wrist Watch posted:

Someone spoil me on the pro strat for nibelsnarf. I was excited to fight him because his name is hilarious but he deals way too much damage and I'm tired of getting hit for 60% of my health because I messed up in loving low rank. I'm cool with getting hit hard in G rank because you're expected to be more experienced by then and you probably have a build but I have nothing to work with here.

I heard something about bombs so I tried it out, I can get him to eat them and fish him out afterwards, but he doesn't stay down long enough to do more than a single GS charge which isn't nearly enough.

Use a hammer or horn. He is like 40% head, it's super easy to stun him.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2016 05:39

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

LordHippoman posted:

Is it just me or is Khezu way beefier than anything else in its "tier"? Tetsucabra and Nibbles took me about 15 minutes on my first runs on them, Khezu was twice that.

Maybe it's just because he spends about 25% of the fight turning on the AOE lightning and going "lol no motherfucker". I miss Gigginox in the "horrific monstrosity" spot.

Khezu is an interesting one. He doesn't really have more health than other monsters. What makes him appear beefier is the fact that his weak points are really weak and his strong points are really strong. Like the difference between hitting Tetsu's head and Tetsu's legs is doing 33% more damage to the head (56 to 42). but the difference between hitting Khezu's head and Khezu's legs is doing a whopping 150% more damage to the head (63 to 25). If you can reliably hit Khezu's head or neck he will actually go down faster than most monsters.

# ¿ Jul 19, 2016 08:55

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Ironic Porn Rental posted:

Someone mentioned changing the colors of your armor but I must have missed how to do it?

House Chest > Change Appearance > Change Armor Pigment

# ¿ Jul 19, 2016 17:48

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Fauxtool posted:

im hammer this game, what's a good LR hammer to shoot for and what is the good XL attack or whatever LR clown suit this game?

Upgrade the starting hammer as you go, it's fine for all of low rank. As for armor, it's BujaBujaBu:

Bulldrome Cap
Jaggi Mail
Bulldrome Braces
Jaggi Faulds
Bulldrome Greaves
4 Attack gems

# ¿ Jul 20, 2016 05:50

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Anything with -drome in the name is essentially the lowest tier of big monster. Once you start getting new monsters that aren't just a scaled up small monster the game actually begins.

Also BujaBujaBu is massive early in the game. Attack Up Large is a flat +20 damage to your weapon, when you're rocking an 80-100 damage weapon that's a 20-25% damage increase.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2016 00:41

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Bow is an easier transition point from blademaster to gunner and it will also wreck Kirin with ease.

gaijin hunter has a pretty good starter bow set video:

e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-CPbfohfck

# ¿ Jul 25, 2016 23:42

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Hakkesshu posted:

I was about to ask if there was any actual MH lore because the games kind of gloss over why the gently caress there are hundreds of gigantic monsters terrorizing everything all the time. You would think civilization could not exist in any major way.

There is some backstory in some MH books Capcom has released in Japan, but it's very vague. There was an ancient war between humans and "dragons" which led to the post apocalyptic world we play in.

quote:

Found in an ancient ruin known as "The Trove of the Ancients", the Equal Dragon Weapon, discovered within the Deep Forest, is a weapon once used in the Great Wyvern War.
It is known that, to make one such weapon, materials from roughly 30 adult dragons had to be used.
This Equal Dragon Weapon had enough firepower, strength, and endurance to face several other dragons at once.
Representative of the peak of wyvern engineering during the War, parts to make such weapons were supplied by the Dragon Catchers/Hunters, ancestors of the modern-day Monster Hunter.
During this great war, human and dragon fought against each other to the brink of extinction.
Eventually, both civilizations faced an inevitable downfall.

Here's some more stuff (trigger warning: Reddit link).

# ¿ Jul 28, 2016 01:10

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

dromer posted:

How exactly does Bubble make your dodge better?

From what I've read its Evasion +1 and Constitution +1.

# ¿ Jul 28, 2016 04:14

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Turtlicious posted:

How does that work?

~~You need to have them send their guild cards, having a guild card will let you recruit that hunter's currently active palicoes.~~ Guild cards can be sent to other players by going into the Start Menu > Guild Cards > Send while in the same multiplayer hub.

e: it's actually Start Menu > Palicoes > Give to share cats, but send your guild cards also for unity points.

Ojetor fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jul 28, 2016

# ¿ Jul 28, 2016 06:15

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

dromer posted:

The formula for finding affinity adjusted raw is (1*(1-affinity)+affinity*1.3)*raw, right?

Triarii posted:

raw * (1 + affinity / 400)

That's if you're taking affinity as displayed, on a 0-100 scale. If you're considering it as 0-1, just divide by 4 instead of 400.

The simple way to remember it is that every 10% affinity averages to a 2.5% damage increase.

# ¿ Jul 29, 2016 03:15

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Old Teo hasn't aged gracefully. He's a shadow of his MHFU self.

That's probably a good thing, never liked the forced elemental damage requirements for breaks.

# ¿ Jul 30, 2016 21:21

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

I have like 70k at the moment, I doubt it's money. It just isn't showing up on the create weapons list at all. I'll blitz through a few more prowler quests and see if that unlocks it.

In Gen it's mainly noteworthy for being one of VERY FEW rapid fire Flaming S guns, and it has Dung S innate which is really useful. Also, three slots (!).

It's unlocked via the Cheeko Sands chief questline. The specific quest is the Hunt-a-thon: Daimyo Hermitaur.

# ¿ Jul 30, 2016 23:20

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

EightFlyingCars posted:

Noooo I don't WANNA do the egg quest

Make the Loc Lac armor set and eat for Felyne Lander. The quest itself takes like 3 min.

# ¿ Jul 31, 2016 05:32

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Ciaphas posted:

As a rule with Bow do I want to be manually aiming for weak spots all the time or just shooting more or less as fast as possible?

Also, it's shot damage I'd want to reference on e.g. Kiranico, right, not impact or cut?

Yes, the bow does shot damage which has it's own separate hit data.

You should be hitting weak spots constantly, otherwise you're wasting valuable Power Coating charges on sub par shots. Stamina efficiency is also a concern if you're not downing Juice. However that doesn't mean you should be manually aiming every time. For the vast majority of monsters the weakest spot is the head, you can usually hit that without manual aim by positioning yourself correctly, like any other weapon does.

For some monsters with high heads, like Zinogre, or when fighting in uneven terrain you might need to manually adjust your aim to hit their heads. In those cases you should first line up the shot horizontally to the head, then quickly enter aim mode and nudge your shot upwards or downwards as necessary. The entire aiming process should take like half a second at most.

At no point outside exceptional circumstances should you be standing and aiming for more than one second or so.

# ¿ Aug 2, 2016 06:21

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Ciaphas posted:

Makes sense. How much do you emphasize it when the monster isn't presenting his weakspot? Like say S. Magala is turned 180 degrees from me because of the loving cats, do you run around and wait to take shots or take them anyway while maneuvering to the front, or do so after removing your coating, or what?

If it's one of those times the monster charged straight across the room chasing someone, it's out of critical distance and the shot isn't worth taking. In this case sheathe and run to reposition or take the breather to potion up or craft some extra coatings or whatever. Resist the urge to take those super long range shots, they're completely worthless.

If it's the monster just turning around while you're within critical distance, you still shouldn't shoot. Charge and circle around the monster waiting for your opportunity. For most monsters the difference between a head shot and a tail/wing/torso shot is anywhere from twice to three times the damage. So it's definitely worth waiting an extra couple of seconds to make your shots count.

That said, it's not the end of the world if every shot isn't perfect. It's worth checking the hit tables here. Sometimes there's a secondary weak spot that's good enough. Take your example, Shaggy. A head shot does 60% and is definitely the best possible zone to shoot. Most other zones are in the 20s range, but the back legs take 45. While not as good the head, hitting for 45% is still a reasonable shot.

# ¿ Aug 2, 2016 10:40

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Ciaphas posted:

I've generally not worried about hit zones when playing blade, just going for whatever's available and won't bounce, so I've never messed around with them. How expansive are the hit zones, as a rule? Taking Shaggy again, where does his head end and neck begin? Is it generally pretty logical?

It's generally pretty logical. Try to aim for the center of the hit zone if possible, but don't worry overmuch.

Pollyanna posted:

I find manually aiming the bow to be quite difficult actually. It really knocks you out of your flow when you have to switch into it and fiddle with the circle pad until it's lined up. Aiming and positioning in general is by far the hardest part of Monster Hunter, actually.

So far I've just been spamming Power Coating and hitting things on their sides or legs. Probably not very effective. I suppose I need to hit their weak points to be particularly effective, then?

It was mentioned already, but I find it a lot easier to use the d-pad for aiming. Try that. Also most of your aiming is done not with the d-pad, but with regular movement. Your shots should be mostly lined up before you even go into aim mode, so that any aiming done with the d-pad is a minimal adjustment.

And yes, hitting weak spots will massively improve your kill times.

# ¿ Aug 2, 2016 22:36

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Ciaphas posted:

Reminds me of another Bow question while the resident experts are posting, do you take off your coatings when a monster is being mounted and help out, or just hang about not shooting, and not waste the time putting the coating back on, as a rule?

I'm not sure what you mean. Why would you unequip your coatings during a mount?

# ¿ Aug 2, 2016 23:18

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

You can always run in and melee if you feel brave :madmax:

# ¿ Aug 2, 2016 23:29

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

For random pubbie runs you're better off with Paralyze. Sleep bombing requires everyone on the room to be aware of it and ideally also bring bombs themselves.

# ¿ Aug 2, 2016 23:49

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Sakura Slash nets you a free gauge level, that's why. Though if they're using Adept getting gauge levels is trivial so I dunno. I prefer Striker Longsword with all 3 arts for maximum anime.

And yeah, the circle is Critical Juncture.

# ¿ Aug 4, 2016 06:36

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Just posting to say Critical Juncture is by far the most satisfying hunter art in the game. Nakarkos laser? Eat poo poo, squidman. Brachydios jumping at me? Get dunked the gently caress out of the air, bitch. Stuck in Najarala's ring? I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with ME.

# ¿ Aug 14, 2016 23:48

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Nope, the Brachydios arena quest requires completing a 7★ quest to unlock.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2016 19:55

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

5er posted:

What's the earliest / easiest way I could get a Monster Bone L?

http://mhgen.kiranico.com/item/monster-bone-l

Daimyo Hermitaur, from carving or breaking it's shell.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2016 00:48

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

m.hache posted:

Got Generations for the 3DSXL today.

I'm so lost. I picked up a quest to find some Dragon Amber. Do I just have to explore to eventually learn the maps? or does it give me a rough idea what "Quadrant" it's in.

Also, is there some sort of advanced tutorial I can read online?

The game isn't ever going to tell you where to find stuff, unfortunately. It's probably the single worst part of the game and a huge barrier to entry. For anything related to item drop rates, locations, carves, crafting and such you pretty much need to use an online database/wiki. I recommend Kiranico. I also like MHGen Database which is essentially the same thing in Android app form which works offline.

As for tutorials, the OP's second post has GaijinHunter's weapon tutorial videos which are an excellent starting point.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2017 22:40

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

sexpig by night posted:

it's gonna be the day before release and Japanese bombers with Capcom logos on them will bomb every game retailer in America. Tragic but expected.

Also because they're Capcom planes like half of them will just randomly drop into the ocean so that'll be funny.

Giant Blk Pearl Harbor

# ¿ Jun 13, 2017 22:52

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

MHW will be shown on Sony's stream in an hour or so.

As for XX, it's probably coming but they don't want to distract from the big MHW announcement. If history is any indication, the XX will be announced in a Nintendo Direct, just like 4U and Generations were.

Zerilan posted:

Then he could just not respond or say "I can't say."

That's pretty much what he said. "We have nothing to announce currently"

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 00:45

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

https://www.twitch.tv/playstation

It's on now.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 01:56

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

lets hang out posted:

bwuh

This is an insanely good and needed addition, tbqh.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 02:18

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

Cicadas! posted:

_{^{no cats}}

Felynes are in the game, but it's unknown if they're playable.

In fact that's the burning question, what (if anything) is making the jump from all the Cross additions? I assume this is a clean branching off from MH4, which means the existence of Styles, Super Arts and Prowlers is in question.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 02:25

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

You can probably turn off the floating numbers in options.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2017 02:26

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

The PC version not getting a box release in Japan isn't surprising, but that doesn't mean the game won't be available. Anyone in Japan who wants to play on PC can just buy MHW on Steam or whatever digital retailer. Is Capcom going to go out of their way to block Japanese IPs from connecting to the PC servers?

# ¿ Jul 25, 2017 22:06

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

ChibiSoma posted:

if they have any plans on MHXX coming over whatsoever, staying completely silent isn't the right way to go about it, because all it's doing is pissing off the side that wants more traditional MH over the flashy action of World.

This is the weirdest complaint given that Styles and Arts make X and XX way, way flashier than anything we've seen of World.

Ah, yes, traditional MH.

# ¿ Jul 28, 2017 00:35

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# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 20:53

Ojetor: Aug 4, 2010; Return of the Sensei

<-------- The one and only.

Also bring back Qurupeco.

Comedy Option: Hypnocatrice.

# ¿ Aug 1, 2017 04:39

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