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I think touchscreen games are inherently easier because the controls have to be more forgiving. With these games you had simple directional controls and two buttons, but pressing the button you wanted was assured, so they could make the game as hard as they wanted and just say it's your fault if you suck. With phone games, you have devices lagging, fingers slipping, different displays responding differently...you can't make some poo poo like Ninja Gaiden and have it be fair.
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There are action games for smartphones that are genuinely challenging without being sloppy or over-simplified; I think the main difference is that modern smartphone games are segmented into a million bite-sized chunks that are very easy to immediately play and replay and don't take a long time to clear, whereas a more traditional game requires a larger investment just to clear a stage or figure out a boss or whatever and will punish you more harshly for loving up. Like, just the idea of having to start SMB from 1-1 every time is something that pisses a lot of people off.
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al-azad posted:Also the "language" of video games is different. I'm sure you've seen someone who would throw their whole body when jumping in Mario because it was their first ever video game. Well if you want a laugh then find someone whose only experience was early arcade games and sit them down for a game where controls and camera are seprate, they will probably be physically incapable of looking and moving independently. 8 bit Nintendo games are easy... Once you understand their physics. How far Mario jumps, how long Link's sword is. But you have to get that into actual subconscious cognitive thought, which literally takes many lives. As opposed to modern games which you just need to learn the controls. That's much easier. The physical language of gaming is an interesting idea. I know I put my back into playing Mario or Sonic.
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You can see the difference to some extent as well even in similar titles of varying age. I don't actively practice or anything, but I can hold my own pretty well in Street Fighter 3 and 4, but I am absolutely loving awful at the old-school SF2. However, I've also seen the exact opposite. I saw some dude in an arcade who was wrecking all comers at the original, 8-character SF2, but I was able to beat him a few times when I asked him for a round in SF4. The core gameplay of that whole series is exactly the same, controls and everything, but the mechanics have been refined so much that it's basically a totally different game between 2 and 5, and I can easily see how you could be good at one but not the other.
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I'll just keep using my modded Wii for NES stuff, but that controller would be cool to have.
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pretty sure people with modded wii's aren't the target audience anyway
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Nail Rat posted:Ugh...the controller cord looks obnoxiously short. They do seem to be intending for the controller to pull double duty as an attachment for a wii remote. I'm hoping that the built in cord is short, but they include an extension in the box so you can still put the NES by the tv and sit on your couch.
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Couch? I think you mean beanbag 6 inches away from the TV. Alternatively Indian-style.
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Jul 22, 2016 22:58
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Backjack chairs were the best for NES floor sessions
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Kevyn posted:Backjack chairs were the best for NES floor sessions Are they called that cause they jacked your back up? Cause that poo poo will cause issues.
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Jul 23, 2016 05:22
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"Once you master the waves of life, nothing can stop you, dude." - a wise and funky Kong
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Sprite141 posted:Are they called that cause they jacked your back up? Cause that poo poo will cause issues. OK Mom Katana Gomai fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Jul 23, 2016 |
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Jul 23, 2016 09:15
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Is it bad that I want to hollow it out to use the shell for an emulator box?
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http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/262154-pr-sega-mega-drive-classic-home-console-and-ultimate-portable-h  It's like the 90's never left
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Those things are probably junk on par with the plug-and-plays that already exist, and half the games being non-MD java shovelware is a big no-no. There are some weird omissions on the MD side, too - every Sonic game but 3 (maybe the rumours about MJ's camp are true?), Phantasy Star 2 & 3 but not 4, Shinobi 3 & Shadow Dancer but no Revenge... yet they somehow got Mortal Kombat 1/2/3 (no UMK3) and fuckin' Chakan. PaletteSwappedNinja fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Those things are probably junk on par with the plug-and-plays that already exist, and half the games being non-MD java shovelware is a big no-no. The Genesis version of the top one is legit. I got that for my sister for Christmas last year and she loves it. It has a cartridge slot so you can play real games too as well as controller plugs to use original controllers.
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Obsurveyor posted:The Genesis version of the top one is legit. I got that for my sister for Christmas last year and she loves it. It has a cartridge slot so you can play real games too as well as controller plugs to use original controllers. Once again, Genesis does what Nintendon't.
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Obsurveyor posted:The Genesis version of the top one is legit. I got that for my sister for Christmas last year and she loves it. It has a cartridge slot so you can play real games too as well as controller plugs to use original controllers. They're great as long as you never run them side by side with a real Genesis and see how inferior the sound and some of the visual effects are.
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Well guys, Nintendo lost. The NES Classic was a good attempt, but the real ultimate NES plug n' play collection is here: Amorphous Abode fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Jul 25, 2016 |
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I'm the "B" and the "A" placed 4 mm to the right in an attempt not to get sued.
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TheScott2K posted:They're great as long as you never run them side by side with a real Genesis and see how inferior the sound and some of the visual effects are. The composite video out on every real Genesis is complete dogshit though; just garbage encoding quality compared to what was coming out of a SNES or PC-Engine. So even if the games look and sound a bit weird compared to real hardware, from a video quality standpoint, you are probably better off plugging these Genesis clones into your Vizio LCD than a real Genesis.
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I've never played a MD clone that wasn't awful and there's no reason to think this one won't also suck. gently caress, there isn't even any assurance that this new NES thing won't suck as well.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:gently caress, there isn't even any assurance that this new NES thing won't suck as well. I'm willing to trust the company that's put out excellent Virtual Console versions for almost a decade now. It's not an actual NES or trying to support legacy hardware, which is part of why it won't suck.
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NES on Wii U isn't very good but even if it were, we still don't know who's actually making this thing or if Nintendo's directly involved beyond licensing/distribution (and they're not going to tell us so we're gonna have to wait for the ten-minutes-after-release teardown to find out).
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Yeah I'm not going to say it's for everybody, but I think it will be a "faithful" recreation of those 30 games.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:the ten-minutes-after-release teardown A few teardown specialists get hardware before official release, I expect we'll know at least 4 or 5 days prior to release.
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The vast majority of the people that are going to buy this thing will not give the slimmest gently caress as to how faithful it is to the original, as long as it is close enough. It will be just like this thread mostly is, which is "OMG A NINTENDO THING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE NINTENDO I HAD WHEN I WAS A KID!" but without any of the hardware considerations.
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Being small and light is also a nice feature, you'll be hard pressed to find someone who won't have space for this somewhere, but a bulky NES + a couple dozen games is a real space waster.
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Nail Rat posted:I'm willing to trust the company that's put out excellent* Virtual Console versions for almost a decade now. It's not an actual NES or trying to support legacy hardware, which is part of why it won't suck. * Unless you live in Europe. Has it been confirmed that Nintendo won't ship the euro version in 50hz, like they did with VC games?
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Krowley posted:* Unless you live in Europe. I believe some people have confirmed that everyone's getting the same 60 Hz ROM's all around, but don't know if there's a solid source for that.
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The Silver Snail posted:Well guys, Nintendo lost. The NES Classic was a good attempt, but the real ultimate NES plug n' play collection is here: My friend had all these game when he was a kid and was only allowed to play them. Meanwhile his mother would play Zelda, Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior and Castlevania. In fact she would let me borrow the good games only on the condition that I wouldn't let her son play them. This went on in SNES days until her son was old enough to handle such hardcore games like Super Mario World and Kirby's Dream Course.
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Lord Ephraim posted:My friend had all these game when he was a kid and was only allowed to play them. Meanwhile his mother would play Zelda, Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior and Castlevania. In fact she would let me borrow the good games only on the condition that I wouldn't let her son play them. There is something amazingly twisted about this, this kid's mom treated you better than her own son.
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Alfalfa The Roach posted:http://www.gonintendo.com/stories/262154-pr-sega-mega-drive-classic-home-console-and-ultimate-portable-h I'd like these way more if the sound emulation was based off the good Mega Drive/Genesis model with Sony sound chips and not the terrible Brazilian release from 1998.
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Lord Ephraim posted:My friend had all these game when he was a kid and was only allowed to play them. Meanwhile his mother would play Zelda, Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior and Castlevania. In fact she would let me borrow the good games only on the condition that I wouldn't let her son play them. So how many people has this kid killed in his adult life
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That'll be the intro to the 2025 Psycho remake
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Lord Ephraim posted:My friend had all these game when he was a kid and was only allowed to play them. Meanwhile his mother would play Zelda, Final Fantasy, Dragon Warrior and Castlevania. In fact she would let me borrow the good games only on the condition that I wouldn't let her son play them. I knew a kid with parents like this... He couldn't play any games with monsters in it, but he could play Top Gun and shoot down jets flown by humans.
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katkillad2 posted:I knew a kid with parents like this... He couldn't play any games with monsters in it, but he could play Top Gun and shoot down jets flown by humans. Those humans were godless Communists. He was doing God's work.
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Nail Rat posted:I think touchscreen games are inherently easier because the controls have to be more forgiving. With these games you had simple directional controls and two buttons, but pressing the button you wanted was assured, so they could make the game as hard as they wanted and just say it's your fault if you suck. I dunno, I don't think you can call Ninja Gaiden on the NES fair either.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:NES on Wii U isn't very good but even if it were, we still don't know who's actually making this thing or if Nintendo's directly involved beyond licensing/distribution (and they're not going to tell us so we're gonna have to wait for the ten-minutes-after-release teardown to find out). The only difference in the NES VC is the anti-epilepsy filter, IIRC. Sure, it looks a bit dimmer, but every person who doesn't suffer an epileptic fit is one lawsuit NoA avoids.
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univbee posted:There is something amazingly twisted about this, this kid's mom treated you better than her own son. "it's okay if little Johnny's friend goes to hell, gently caress him"
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