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widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Is it me, or is Phase Shift a better Active Camo? I mean, there's a chance other people might have it on but who really thought about "entering another dimension to get behind or away from the enemy" over "short range jump that can get them into some unfair spots".

Godzilla07 posted:

I have also bought the latest game from Infinity Ward, Titanfall 2. Though I'll probably end up playing IW when I return tomorrow night for 2XP.

Looking at the stats I have, the Hailstorm has the exact same 3HK/4HK ranges as the R3K. And from the numbers and playing impressions, I don't see much of a point to SMGs in IW? The KBAR and ARX can hang with SMGs within their optimal ranges, and you're not much of a threat at midrange with the recoil and aim assist nerf.

The only SMG that seems to be worth using is the MacTav. It's 3HK range is pretty good for an SMG, apparently. Also the RPR Evo in AR mode, but the fire rate might get you killed.

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Gordon Shumway
Jan 21, 2008

Do not attempt to adjust your set...


I am playing for double XP. I have learned that core is somewhat better than HC, which is a horrible clusterfuck in this installment (and, as DJ lamented, has no HCKC). If anyone else is on, my gt is Jack5434.

marathon Stairmaster sesh
Apr 28, 2009

I too get confused when (insert male protagonist's name) out of the blue says "I love (insert female protagonist's name who is the love interest)" to me while I'm playing (insert currently popular video game name).

Mill Village posted:

I love how pubbies don't realize how predictable they can be. If you keep going to the same spots, people are going to figure it out.

They always try to jump out away from a seeker grenade, not knowing that I like to carry two at once. That's how I got the "How the ?" calling card under Special Ops.

Javes
May 5, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT APPEARING OFFLINE SO I DON'T HAVE TO TELL FRIENDS THEY'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY VIDEO GAME TEAM.

widespread posted:

The only SMG that seems to be worth using is the MacTav. It's 3HK range is pretty good for an SMG, apparently. Also the RPR Evo in AR mode, but the fire rate might get you killed.

The MacTav is a 4-5HK gun if I'm not mistaken.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

Raging Goblin is unaffected by microtransactions.

He raged at Call of Duty, at the pubbies, at his ISP. But mostly he just raged.

widespread posted:

Is it me, or is Phase Shift a better Active Camo? I mean, there's a chance other people might have it on but who really thought about "entering another dimension to get behind or away from the enemy" over "short range jump that can get them into some unfair spots".


The only SMG that seems to be worth using is the MacTav. It's 3HK range is pretty good for an SMG, apparently. Also the RPR Evo in AR mode, but the fire rate might get you killed.

I'd take Rewind over Phase Shift, FTL Jump, or Camo. You get a free health, deployables, and a mag refresh, and you're usually in a superior position. It's also one of the fastest charging abilities. Who needs Scavenger or Resupply, when you have Rewind?

And the MacTav owns. If you combine it with the Soap calling card, the British flag emblem, and the [Soap] clan tag, your KD will improve twenty percent.

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Javes posted:

The MacTav is a 4-5HK gun if I'm not mistaken.

Oh. It is. Still, consistently 4HK since at the 5HK ranges you're gonna get outgunned.


Mister Macys posted:

I'd take Rewind over Phase Shift, FTL Jump, or Camo. You get a free health, deployables, and a mag refresh, and you're usually in a superior position. It's also one of the fastest charging abilities. Who needs Scavenger or Resupply, when you have Rewind?

I think I've tried Rewind a few times, but the main issue is the same with Prophet's Glitch: Actually timing yourself to use it. But here it's better since, as you said, full refresh and free re-positioning.

Mill Village
Jul 27, 2007



Godzilla07 posted:

I have also bought the latest game from Infinity Ward, Titanfall 2. Though I'll probably end up playing IW when I return tomorrow night for 2XP.

Looking at the stats I have, the Hailstorm has the exact same 3HK/4HK ranges as the R3K. And from the numbers and playing impressions, I don't see much of a point to SMGs in IW? The KBAR and ARX can hang with SMGs within their optimal ranges, and you're not much of a threat at midrange with the recoil and aim assist nerf.

The Hailstorm even has the same damage as the R3K. If all 3 bullets don't hit the upper chest or head, you'll probably die. You gotta sneak up on people. I almost got a 15 gunstreak with the Hailstorm last night just being careful. I think I'll use it with my shotguns. I don't have a fast enough trigger finger for the semi auto pistols.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

Boops boops


College Slice

Ah ha ha my brother prestiged as second player and ended up loving over both our profiles.

Best $120 I've spent.

Gordon Shumway
Jan 21, 2008

Do not attempt to adjust your set...


Found out that you can once again airburst C4. I know what my next permanent unlock is going to be.

Also as per usual in games not made by Treyarch, AUAV is absolute poo poo. And whose bright idea was it to have Care Package be unlocked at level 51?

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Gordon Shumway posted:

Found out that you can once again airburst C4. I know what my next permanent unlock is going to be.

Also as per usual in games not made by Treyarch, AUAV is absolute poo poo. And whose bright idea was it to have Care Package be unlocked at level 51?

Care Package seems to be for balancing reasons. AUAV takes three rockets to kill and can at least see Ghost users. How is it poo poo? Is it because it can be shot down by anyone with a gun instead of "lock-on rockets only"?

Mill Village
Jul 27, 2007



Gordon Shumway posted:

Found out that you can once again airburst C4. I know what my next permanent unlock is going to be.

Also as per usual in games not made by Treyarch, AUAV is absolute poo poo. And whose bright idea was it to have Care Package be unlocked at level 51?

C4 is good again. The explosion is almost as good as BO2's C4 and unlike Ghosts, there's a way to refill it.

IM DAY DAY IRL
Jul 11, 2003

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widespread posted:

The only SMG that seems to be worth using is the MacTav.

erad reckoning and karma both disagree

IM DAY DAY IRL
Jul 11, 2003

BINGO
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did i mention that SMGs are absolutely insane as a two point secondary? when you factor in that they mostly have good irons (or built in optics) there is functionally no reason to equip a pistol (especially considering how weak they are)

if you're using a primary that has any sort of real range issue (e.g. snipers close up, shotguns pointed at anything farther than 3 millimeters away) equip a smg as your secondary for any time you're out of optimal range and watch your kd skyrocket

IM DAY DAY IRL fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2016 around 02:22

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

Raging Goblin is unaffected by microtransactions.

He raged at Call of Duty, at the pubbies, at his ISP. But mostly he just raged.

ERAD has too much recoil, even with a grip. If you're going to use a 5-6 hit gun, use the Type-2 instead. And the best secondary is the NV4.

widespread posted:

Care Package seems to be for balancing reasons. AUAV takes three rockets to kill and can at least see Ghost users. How is it poo poo? Is it because it can be shot down by anyone with a gun instead of "lock-on rockets only"?

Is IW's definition of balance "gently caress poors"?

Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2016 around 05:38

OneDeadman
Oct 16, 2010

[SUPERBIA]


Also Care Package is wayyyy better in this game because of the Bizarro Mario Kart Blue Shell shinnanigans it seems to have.

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Mister Macys posted:

Is IW's definition of balance "gently caress poors"?

The gently caress- Well, at least pubs don't voluntarily bring on any Scorestreak Kits... r-right?


OneDeadman posted:

Also Care Package is wayyyy better in this game because of the Bizarro Mario Kart Blue Shell shinnanigans it seems to have.

More AP-3X's then a Javes game, I reckon.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

Raging Goblin is unaffected by microtransactions.

He raged at Call of Duty, at the pubbies, at his ISP. But mostly he just raged.

I'm saying they're intentionally loving poo poo players by restricting their streak access.

Especially when levelling speed is contingent on performance.
I mean, come on; when was the last CoD to basically have non-stop double XP since launch? It's been three weeks and it's still going.

Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2016 around 07:05

Mill Village
Jul 27, 2007



I don't get it, bad players not being able to earn higher streaks is a bad thing?

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

Raging Goblin is unaffected by microtransactions.

He raged at Call of Duty, at the pubbies, at his ISP. But mostly he just raged.

If you don't throw a bone to bad players, what reason do they have to stick around?

It's not just the F2P and franchise staleness that's killing the playerbase.

If all you want is clanners left to play with, be my guest.

Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2016 around 07:53

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Oh god that sounds like a terrible future for Future CoD. I'd rather they throw bad players a bone. And by that I mean buff Persistence, salvage after matches (or even DURING, just have enemies drop a bit or ten after they die), just loving ANYTHING to people that have a difficulty dropping a 1.0 KDR every match. Like myself, and probably a few others.

I mean poo poo, one of my favorite things I learned about Ghosts' MP is that Support users don't have to go on streaks to get goodies. Just kill normally (or assist with Hardline), and sure enough you'll have Sat Coms, Ammo Crates, and even a Juggernaut variant.

But I guess at the end of the day, this shootmans series finds ways to shrivel up. For some reason or another. Kinda reminds me of a concern about Overwatch, where they IMMEDIATELY wanted to cater to competitive crowds and eSports poo poo and oh god I'm ranting again in the shootymans in space thread again.

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Planes,Trains,and BOTES!


Mister Macys posted:

I'm saying they're intentionally loving poo poo players by restricting their streak access.

Especially when levelling speed is contingent on performance.
I mean, come on; when was the last CoD to basically have non-stop double XP since launch? It's been three weeks and it's still going.

I want to say it was Modern Warfare 2 that had double XP turned on for maybe a map pack release or something and then they just didn't turn it off for literal months. It was kinda ridiculous.

BrokenKnees
Aug 28, 2008

Ow.


HOOLY BOOLY posted:

I want to say it was Modern Warfare 2 that had double XP turned on for maybe a map pack release or something and then they just didn't turn it off for literal months. It was kinda ridiculous.

They should do this with MWR, would make the slog of unlocking things better.

Mill Village
Jul 27, 2007



widespread posted:

Oh god that sounds like a terrible future for Future CoD. I'd rather they throw bad players a bone. And by that I mean buff Persistence, salvage after matches (or even DURING, just have enemies drop a bit or ten after they die), just loving ANYTHING to people that have a difficulty dropping a 1.0 KDR every match. Like myself, and probably a few others.

I mean poo poo, one of my favorite things I learned about Ghosts' MP is that Support users don't have to go on streaks to get goodies. Just kill normally (or assist with Hardline), and sure enough you'll have Sat Coms, Ammo Crates, and even a Juggernaut variant.

But I guess at the end of the day, this shootmans series finds ways to shrivel up. For some reason or another. Kinda reminds me of a concern about Overwatch, where they IMMEDIATELY wanted to cater to competitive crowds and eSports poo poo and oh god I'm ranting again in the shootymans in space thread again.

I don't really thinking catering to the competitive COD community has really paid off. It's boring as hell to watch, so nobody is watching it on Twitch. The problem is that this community is incredibly vocal, so their requests tend to be fulfilled. A good example is the Volk nerf.

I wish they would just go back to the 3-5-7 killstreak system. It's morphed into this ridiculous thing the average player doesn't care about. It assumes that people only play objective game modes and actually play the objective. Most COD players play Team Deathmatch, so they don't give a poo poo about the objective.

Overwatch was tailor made for the competitive Team Fortress 2 community who got sick of Valve doing jack poo poo for their game so what Blizzard is doing there actually makes sense. That game has plenty of casual game modes, though.

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Mill Village posted:

I don't really thinking catering to the competitive COD community has really paid off. It's boring as hell to watch, so nobody is watching it on Twitch. The problem is that this community is incredibly vocal, so their requests tend to be fulfilled. A good example is the Volk nerf.

I wish they would just go back to the 3-5-7 killstreak system. It's morphed into this ridiculous thing the average player doesn't care about. It assumes that people only play objective game modes and actually play the objective. Most COD players play Team Deathmatch, so they don't give a poo poo about the objective.

Overwatch was tailor made for the competitive Team Fortress 2 community who got sick of Valve doing jack poo poo for their game so what Blizzard is doing there actually makes sense. That game has plenty of casual game modes, though.

To be honest, I thought they were also catering to people with what I call "the McDonalds wifi", but then I realized that bad netcode is still a thing regardless of quality. But yeah, why can't the balance be "high damage/low ROF to low damage/high ROF but all guns in those ranges have the exact same ttk". Also why not make the NV4 a 5HK since it's practically laser-like as it is.

That kind of killstreak system would work, but I'd also tack on a Support kit for the people who can't go on streaks. Like, Kills/Points for Support/Objective, Gun Kills for Assault. Maybe have Specialist be prestige locked or not in at all. But yeah, I see why complex systems would drive away people who just want to shoot mans.

And with Overwatch, it just has a weird feel. Can't pinpoint what it is, but like, it just feels off at times. Even if one of the casual modes is literally half of what SnD is.

Carecat
Apr 27, 2004



Buglord

widespread posted:

Care Package seems to be for balancing reasons. AUAV takes three rockets to kill and can at least see Ghost users. How is it poo poo? Is it because it can be shot down by anyone with a gun instead of "lock-on rockets only"?

Care Package was my first unlock as it gives a more valuable score streak 50% of the time and doesn't feel like it has much bias against top streaks.

Stupid they put so much at 45+. You barely get the last few rig kits before prestige time.

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Gordon Shumway
Jan 21, 2008

Do not attempt to adjust your set...


widespread posted:

Care Package seems to be for balancing reasons. AUAV takes three rockets to kill and can at least see Ghost users. How is it poo poo? Is it because it can be shot down by anyone with a gun instead of "lock-on rockets only"?

It's poo poo because it doesn't give real time position and direction, it is based on a sweep like UAV. If it's not going to be a VSAT/HATR, then it doesn't deserve to be 1250 points to attain. Make it half that and maybe we'll talk.

Carecat
Apr 27, 2004



Buglord

Stats dump

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...dit?usp=sharing

victrix
Oct 30, 2007



Anybody having the issue where you can't find a single match?

I downloaded all the DLC and gold edition via a Flash sale on PS4. I played a few matches and now no games are found.

Also, how do I actually start Zombies in Spaceland? My only options are Exo Survival and Exo Zombies.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

Raging Goblin is unaffected by microtransactions.

He raged at Call of Duty, at the pubbies, at his ISP. But mostly he just raged.


Appears to be unfinished. It doesn't include the ROF drop for the NV4 Exalted, or the numerous weapons with extended damage ranges (RAW Benediction, for example).

Javes
May 5, 2012

ASK ME ABOUT APPEARING OFFLINE SO I DON'T HAVE TO TELL FRIENDS THEY'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY VIDEO GAME TEAM.

victrix posted:

Anybody having the issue where you can't find a single match?

I downloaded all the DLC and gold edition via a Flash sale on PS4. I played a few matches and now no games are found.

Also, how do I actually start Zombies in Spaceland? My only options are Exo Survival and Exo Zombies.

Are you trying to play Advanced Warfare?

victrix
Oct 30, 2007



I'm not, but some really confused guy on reddit is

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Gordon Shumway posted:

It's poo poo because it doesn't give real time position and direction, it is based on a sweep like UAV. If it's not going to be a VSAT/HATR, then it doesn't deserve to be 1250 points to attain. Make it half that and maybe we'll talk.

What. That sounds stupid. ADVANCED usually means "CONSTANT UPDATES", not the same drat sweep as a regular UAV.

Carecat posted:

Care Package was my first unlock as it gives a more valuable score streak 50% of the time and doesn't feel like it has much bias against top streaks.

Stupid they put so much at 45+. You barely get the last few rig kits before prestige time.

Yeah, I wasn't gonna prestige until I got a fair amount unlocked in terms of camos. But I really want that Care Package since it's like... always a good idea.

sba
Jul 9, 2001

bae

this is the fastest I've seen a COD game hit $35

@videogamedeals
Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare (PS4/X1) $34.99 (GCU $27.99) via Best Buy

JackGeneric
Apr 23, 2008

[Witty observation]



So hollow point gives a 1.35 headshot multiplier, except on the M1 where it's nerfed to 1.3... but even 1.35x wouldn't push it over the line to a one-hit kill. Womp womp.

JackGeneric fucked around with this message at Nov 27, 2016 around 20:40

IM DAY DAY IRL
Jul 11, 2003

BINGO
I GOT ACTION


Mister Macys posted:

If you don't throw a bone to bad players, what reason do they have to stick around?

I have no clue what you're talking about; there are an abundance of bones being thrown to poo poo players as evidenced by dying right off your streak from a claw wielded by a guy going 5-23. for as much griping as everyone does about catering to the competitive players there is a myriad of things that require complete burn perks to counteract (e.g. trips) that can be used by people who Aren't Good

JackGeneric posted:

So hollow point gives a 1.35 headshot multiplier, except on the M1 where it's nerfed to 1.3... but even 1.35x wouldn't push it over the line to a one-hit kill. Womp womp.

in the pursuit of headshots i put HP on my M1 and was absolutely blown away by the fact that it doesn't OHK on a headshot. glad this confirmed what I already knew.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

Raging Goblin is unaffected by microtransactions.

He raged at Call of Duty, at the pubbies, at his ISP. But mostly he just raged.

IM DAY DAY IRL posted:

I have no clue what you're talking about; there are an abundance of bones being thrown to poo poo players as evidenced by dying right off your streak from a claw wielded by a guy going 5-23.

Ennh, wrong. Game balance has been consistently shifted to favor the already good ever since MW3 (Support in Ghosts was pretty poo poo, let's be honest here). BLOPS 1 was the last game to significantly provide real boosts to garbage players in the form of Hardwired providing a flat -1 to kills required (thereby giving the biggest discount to 3-4-5 -> 2-3-4- (and they were still lucky if they could even get 2) and Hacker allowing crate rerolls (which, not coincidentally, aren't allowed in this game).
Obvious example is Hardwired in IW having a limit to its bonus (400 points) per life, and UAV priced such that it still takes four kills (100->125 points/kill, 400 required), even with it.

As for dying to the Warfighter's penny launcher, it's the best shotgun in the game; you deserve to die to it if you're not host, and in the hands of good players, you have even less of a chance against some poo poo aiming stoner.
Stuffing newbs and drunks isn't a problem, it's the people who can aim.
The Dragon is still better, even with the finite range.

JackGeneric posted:

So hollow point gives a 1.35 headshot multiplier, except on the M1 where it's nerfed to 1.3... but even 1.35x wouldn't push it over the line to a one-hit kill. Womp womp.

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Superanos
Nov 13, 2009


I went and bought this stupid game. $54 on US PSN for lovely space COD including the other COD I actually want was an OK deal. I'm expecting standalone Modern Warfare Remastered to launch full price anyway, so might as well take a deal.

I heard the campaign in space COD was good so it's not totally a waste!

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Superanos posted:

I went and bought this stupid game. $54 on US PSN for lovely space COD including the other COD I actually want was an OK deal. I'm expecting standalone Modern Warfare Remastered to launch full price anyway, so might as well take a deal.

I heard the campaign in space COD was good so it's not totally a waste!

Yeah, it's actually the MP that tends to hit garbage fire status. Campaign, I haven't tried yet. Zombies Mode is... actually debatable. On one end, it's not Extinction. On the other, you can just level guns up for MP and get keys for MP without touching MP. This includes any Classic weapons you may come across, with the M1 possibly being your first maxed weapon due to costing $500 AND the synergy it has with two decent cards (Eagle Eyed/Scoped Dollars). Some people even go and upgrade the gun instead of trading it out for the NV4.

Puckish Rogue
Jun 24, 2010



As this is a safe place I'd like to state that my first prestige unlock was the ballista and marked for death combo. No regrets.

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limited
Dec 10, 2005
Limited Sanity

widespread posted:

This includes any Classic weapons you may come across, with the M1 possibly being your first maxed weapon due to costing $500 AND the synergy it has with two decent cards (Eagle Eyed/Scoped Dollars). Some people even go and upgrade the gun instead of trading it out for the NV4.
The M1 is basically a headshot machine with zero recoil, but granted it starts to get a bit limp later waves ( Usually 7-8+ ) when you need to land 3-4 headshots just to down one bog-standard zombie and spraying something automatic at head height is more likely to do the job with the larger crowds. It's still fun to use on lower waves though, especially with FMJ & instakill or the crit-card. Just kill entire lines of zombies with one shot.

But yes, the main MP is basically designed to sell CoD points to the impatient. Even the zombie crates replace one drop, with a pack of three one-use cards so it's always better to go to the MP menu and spend keys in there.

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