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DarkstarIV
Apr 6, 2010

Mr. Intensity


yeah i got them from pwinsider so dont blame me.

blame mike johnson.

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Fumaofthelake
Dec 30, 2004

Is it handsome in here, or is it just me?

Just read a rumor that Neville asked for his release. Any insight?

VJeff
Jun 2, 2011

Stephanie McMahon started the women's revolution. Stephanie McMahon is an astronaut philanthropist. Stephanie McMahon is the greatest commissioner of all time.

Stephanie McMahon.

Fumaofthelake posted:

Just read a rumor that Neville asked for his release. Any insight?

There's details in the WWE Discussion thread but basically it looks like Neville was scheduled for a lumberjack match that he was gonna lose to Enzo on Monday and he walked out and they had to change the match to Kalisto instead. It seems like he's definitely very unhappy but there's no confirmation he asked for his release yet.

spongeh
Mar 22, 2009

BREADAGRAM OF PROTECTION


I guess it seems weird that the plan all along wasn't supposed to be Kalisto winning the title, because this seems like the natural thing to have done storytelling wise.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



spongeh posted:

I guess it seems weird that the plan all along wasn't supposed to be Kalisto winning the title, because this seems like the natural thing to have done storytelling wise.

I've seen it range from Neville was supposed to win, to oops, we had that rule where Neville can't have a title shot so I guess just have him lose, to Kalisto winning.

But with WWE booking you can never be sure if those are conflicting reports or just a sequence of decisions.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.


Stories are reporting that the plan was to have the title change at TLC instead of on Raw before Neville walked out

Billzasilver
Nov 8, 2016


I like to think most good WWE moments happen by accident. Good for Kallisto, winning before Vince could notice the change of plans.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Given WWE's history, I wouldn't be surprised if Neville was planned to lose, he left instead, so they had Kalisto win as a gesture of "See you would have totally won the belt if you showed up"

Vaguido
Feb 22, 2011

When the drug test comes back positive for performance enhancing drugs.

I'm almost certain that's why Tozawa got a title win after they released Aries.

sportsgenius86
Jun 17, 2008

THE STREAK IS OVER


Good on Neville for not being fooled into following along as they kick the can down the road over and over again as I'm sure they would've done with the title in this scenario.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting the same speeches he saw Aries get and said gently caress this.

VJeff
Jun 2, 2011

Stephanie McMahon started the women's revolution. Stephanie McMahon is an astronaut philanthropist. Stephanie McMahon is the greatest commissioner of all time.

Stephanie McMahon.

I think what got Kalisto the title win is the whole "if there's a substitution, the sub always wins" rule. Like how Sasha stepped in for Bayley at SummerSlam, won the belt and immediately dropped it back.

So, don't get too used to Kalisto as champ.

sportsgenius86
Jun 17, 2008

THE STREAK IS OVER


I also really don't understand the "this is a long con to make Enzo look bad" theory.

That's not how WWE teaches their "lessons." To me, this looks a whole lot like Vince wants Enzo to carry the division and they know how bad that looks to the locker room, so they're trying to walk this line where they can say "look how stupid he comes across" to try to save face while still getting what they want.

Vaguido
Feb 22, 2011

When the drug test comes back positive for performance enhancing drugs.

VJeff posted:

I think what got Kalisto the title win is the whole "if there's a substitution, the sub always wins" rule. Like how Sasha stepped in for Bayley at SummerSlam, won the belt and immediately dropped it back.

So, don't get too used to Kalisto as champ.

If it were just that, it didn't have to be a title match. Alexa's Summerslam match had to be a title match because it was a major PPV. This was a random rear end match on Raw.

Edit: I do totally agree that Kalisto won't be winning at TLC, but they clearly did this title change as a gently caress you to Neville if these rumors of him walking out are true.

Vaguido fucked around with this message at Oct 11, 2017 around 15:56

The American Dream
Mar 1, 2007
Don't Forget My Balls

VJeff posted:

I think what got Kalisto the title win is the whole "if there's a substitution, the sub always wins" rule. Like how Sasha stepped in for Bayley at SummerSlam, won the belt and immediately dropped it back.

So, don't get too used to Kalisto as champ.

Worked for John Morrison!

Big Coffin Hunter
Aug 13, 2005



sportsgenius86 posted:

Good on Neville for not being fooled into following along as they kick the can down the road over and over again as I'm sure they would've done with the title in this scenario.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting the same speeches he saw Aries get and said gently caress this.

same for CM Punk

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

andey...


What are some of the spoilers lately? does anyone know what the main event of wrestlemania will be? my guess is that finn balor will be involved, and maybe "Stone Cold". Let me know since i love to feel like I'm back-stage.

rare Magic card l00k
Jan 3, 2011

Me uni a la Revolucion #RXT


el sabe ...


Cavauro posted:

What are some of the spoilers lately? does anyone know what the main event of wrestlemania will be? my guess is that finn balor will be involved, and maybe "Stone Cold". Let me know since i love to feel like I'm back-stage.

conor mcgregor is going to face shane mcmahon in an mma match

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

andey...


i can just imagine them all back-stage talking about how dumb assed the fans are for thinking it's real. THe good guys and bad guys probably both have to work together on a storyline and the wrestling holds so that they both get paid at the end of the night even though neither of them is badly hurt

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA

Billzasilver posted:

I like to think most good WWE moments happen by accident. Good for Kallisto, winning before Vince could notice the change of plans.

I'd be shocked if the call didn't come from Vince.

DeathChicken posted:

Given WWE's history, I wouldn't be surprised if Neville was planned to lose, he left instead, so they had Kalisto win as a gesture of "See you would have totally won the belt if you showed up"

Sounds about right if not an outright way to mock him for leaving.

CopywrightMMXI
Jun 1, 2011

One time a guy stole some downhill skis out of my jeep and I was so mad I punched a mailbox. I'm against crime, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.


Cavauro posted:

What are some of the spoilers lately? does anyone know what the main event of wrestlemania will be? my guess is that finn balor will be involved, and maybe "Stone Cold". Let me know since i love to feel like I'm back-stage.

The tentative card is:

Return of Vader
Sister Abigail vs She-Rhyno
3MB vs Shield with all the titles on the line
Multi-Diva tag match

Card subject to change.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

andey...


I thought vader was about to die soon, but it sounds like I got fooled by the wrestling business, as usual!

Platypus Farm
Jul 12, 2003

Francis is my name, and breeding is my game. All bow before the fertile smut-god!


Cavauro posted:

I thought vader was about to die soon, but it sounds like I got fooled by the wrestling business, as usual!

No, he's fine now, it was just a mistake by an entire team of doctors who misinterpreted his lifetime of incredible abuse to his body as having shortened his heart's useful duration.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

VJeff posted:

Do Japanese people like Long Island? Let's try and make Zack Ryder: G1 contestant a reality here.

At what point does being a WWE jobber taint someone? Juice Robinson and Trent Baretta were both WWE jobbers, and they're far more successful than if they had stayed.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009


Davros1 posted:

At what point does being a WWE jobber taint someone? Juice Robinson and Trent Baretta were both WWE jobbers, and they're far more successful than if they had stayed.

I think it depends on how prominent a jobber someone is. Juice and Trent were guys you'd be forgiven for not even knowing were on the WWE/NXT roster. And they basically totally reinvented themselves. Wheras Ryder and Ziggler have a history of being semi-featured TV characters and will probably do cheap knock--offs of their WWE gimmicks on the indies.

Djarum
Apr 1, 2004

I promise, that one day, everything's going to be better for you.


Soiled Meat

Gaz-L posted:

I think it depends on how prominent a jobber someone is. Juice and Trent were guys you'd be forgiven for not even knowing were on the WWE/NXT roster. And they basically totally reinvented themselves. Wheras Ryder and Ziggler have a history of being semi-featured TV characters and will probably do cheap knock--offs of their WWE gimmicks on the indies.

Ziggler I think wants to move into non-wrestling entertainment. He has been working with the Groundlings for several years and has been doing both standup and improv. I heard a couple of times that he was offered roles in things only to have the WWE tell him no (and to have John Cena do similar things around the same time). I have little doubt that at the end of this current contract he is out the door.

Ryder I think could do well outside of the WWE shackles. He has proven that he can get himself over without their help and is a sound enough wrestler. The Jersey Shore gimmick is probably a little dated but I am pretty sure he can figure something out if he were given the chance.

There are probably under a dozen guys in WWE that could leave and do well on the outside. That is why a lot of them just keep their heads down and collect the steady paycheck. Now the next couple of years the business is going to be very interesting. If NJPW major push in the US works out even a little coupled with WWE getting a lower TV deal you could see a lot of top talent look to other pastures.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



Ziggler dated Amy Schumer for a while, so I'm surprised to hear he's actually a fan of comedy.

RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

Band-aids don't fix arrow wounds


Aphrodite posted:

Ziggler dated Amy Schumer for a while, so I'm surprised to hear he's actually a fan of comedy.
He's getting John Cena's sloppy seconds.

Jiro
Jan 12, 2004



Pretty sure if the rumors about that sex scene are to be believed Cena was getting Dolph's sloppy seconds, because Cena pulled a Tommy Wiseau and had sex with her.

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

I've hacked into the most secret government and corporate secrets.



Jiro posted:

Pretty sure if the rumors about that sex scene are to be believed Cena was getting Dolph's sloppy seconds, because Cena pulled a Tommy Wiseau and had sex with her.

Yeah but she's Dolph's girlfriend so he's the cuck in this scenario

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009



Jiro posted:

Pretty sure if the rumors about that sex scene are to be believed Cena was getting Dolph's sloppy seconds, because Cena pulled a Tommy Wiseau and had sex with her.

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St Evan Echoes
Oct 17, 2004



Fun Shoe


well Iím relieved he didnít shoot on her

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