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Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

DarkstarIV posted:

WWE has made no mention of Jinder invoking his title match tonight, on social media or on their website. They may have nixed it. I know they talked about it at Survivor Series, but plans may have changed. The only mention of a WWE Championship Match I can see is Jinder vs AJ for the title in a Houston Street Fight, which is almost certainly a dark match.

Also the latest TV advertisements for the upcoming Indian tour are saying Jinder is a FORMER WWE Champion coming on the tour.

The ad says "Will Styles encounter the Maharaja?!" and instead hypes a Charlotte/Natalya title match. They're not doing both a women's and WWE Championship match on the same show and wouldn't advertise the title match below the women's title match.

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Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Sanguinia posted:

If Charlotte/Ronda is set in stone, I would say almost zero. Alexa is set up as a cowardly unworthy champion and they've planted several specific seeds about how Asuka Wants To Kill Her and she's indignant about it to cover her inadequacies and need to constantly cheat and hide behind better wrestlers to keep the gold. It's an oldschool story and they've put work into it, I don't see them dropping it.

They'll absolutely spend the upcoming weeks trying to SELL that they're willing to drop it though. I fully expect Bayley, Nia and Sasha to take center stage all through this build and really push that they each have very personal scores to settle with Asuka and plan to take Alexa's title so they can get that chance, while Alexa gets super pissy about everyone looking past her as if her title doesn't matter compared to THE MIGHTY ASUKA.

With Ronda being around and the women's division getting a massive push I think they're going to want Asuka v. someone good because Ronda's not going to be great. I think she's getting either heel Sasha or Charlotte.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Tato posted:

They should do the US Title as an open challenge ladder match. Can Truth overcome his acrophobia and defend his precious title?

He overcame it already when he tried to bring a ladder into the Royal Rumble (or some other gimmick match that wasn’t a ladder match, I forget).

He’s gonna do an open challenge at WrestleMania and his hero John Cena will come out. (Please)

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Venomous posted:

‘Where’s the drat briefcase?’

It was the 2016 Royal Rumble and he cut a promo the next day saying he overcame his fear of ladders.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

STAC Goat posted:

I'm just really cracking up at the idea that WWE said "We have to induct a woman each year" and then like 5 years later realized "We ran out of women we ever gave a poo poo about, pick a random one."

I’m legit surprised they didn’t pick Paige

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
They put in one person/group of relevance a year and then 4 people whose names 35 year olds remember, then one person some historian remembered. It’s the same formula every year.

Next year it will be Batista and 4 people you vaguely remember and one person who is really old and probably dead and possibly never wrestled for WWE outside of like one house show in 1985. So like Batista, the Nasty Boys, The Model Rick Martel, Molly Holly, and like Giant Baba or something.

Most of the actual people of relevance who would make sense don’t stop wrestling so they don’t ever become “eligible” like Jericho, HHH, the Hardy Boyz, etc. Although for whatever reason Kurt Angle just does random episodes of Raw as a wrestler where he loses most of the time for basically no reason whatsoever.

Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Mar 3, 2019

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

DarkstarIV posted:

Dave said on WOR that Lacey Evans is expected to start a feud with Natayla soon. And go over.

Well yeah there’s no reason to start your first feud and then lose

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
If they were putting Lacey in that match she would be wrestling by now.

I’m guessing Sonya and Mandy in a handicap match for Asuka.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Gumball Gumption posted:

Miz feels like he's a great worker but not a great wrestler. Like, his character work is great and he can raise himself to the level of talent that he is working with but he's safe and boring on his own. Everything he does looks obviously worked. He can elevate a match and makes people look good but he's not a name that makes me want to watch a match.

The thing is, that being a basic-rear end WWE-style wrestler can get you to really good matches, but Miz still doesn't do that. The most athletic move Becky Lynch does is a dropkick from the top rope and she has some good-rear end matches. No matter how good Miz is on the mic, nothing he really says makes me want to see a match with him in it. He is entertaining on his own, but I don't know that the "promotion" part of his promos works simply because he has a very long history of matches nobody cares about and which weren't particularly memorable.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
There’s something funny about the fact that Miz, Roman and Cena are all pretty over as babyfaces.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

OctoberCountry posted:

Bryan vs Miz ended up being really lame though

Yeah but now we can get babyface Miz against Heel Daniel Bryan :haw:

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Venomous posted:

Miz/Bryan was only bad because they gave them, like, two minutes

A full match would be loving awesome

(Not at Mania tho)

I'm sure faceMiz v. heelShane is gonna rule :smithicide:

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
I mean, showing up randomly like 3 weeks before WrestleMania to get into a mid-card ladder match is a thing Sami Zayn does

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Gaz-L posted:

Oh gently caress, I forgot about the Wrestlemania Intercontinental Ladder Clusterfuck. Welp, that's what BRAUN, Sami, Balor, Corbin, Lashley and I guess Rush are doing.

So we got:
Becky/Ronda/Charlotte
Seth/Brock
HHH/Batista
Bryan/Kofi (plus maybe Owens and maybe Ali or maybe they get thrown into the US mix?)
Angle/probably Cena
Roman/Drew
IC Title Ladder Mess
Boss n Hug/Samoans/Pin Up Strong
Revival/Black Ricochet/Gable & Roode (maybe elimination rules?)
Usos/Hardys/New Day (I reckon the Bar, Nakamura and Rusev go to the ARMBAR)
Joe/Truth/Rey/Andrade/Ali/KO (ladder maybe?)
ARMBAR
Ladies ARMBAR (which I'm gonna bet decides who Asuka's wrestling)
Murphy/let's face it, it's Cedric
Maybe something with Undertaker
Whatever Alexa's doing as host.

Jesus Christ

Braun is doing a power spot with the SNL guys

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
I bet Sami would rather get a WrestleMania paycheck than show up in the place he already lives

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

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Aphrodite posted:

lol he’s not going to Wrestlemania.

If he shows up on Monday, I assure you he is.

Gaz-L posted:

So why do they insist on trying to cram everyone and their 50 year old son on to the card?

Because you do still get paid for being on a PPV

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

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Djarum posted:

Yeah I think that is what they are going to ultimately going to have to do, or just have off seasons for people so you have SummerSlam and maybe Survivor Series top tier shows where you rotate stars in and out.

They’re never doing that

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
They’re not doing it anyways

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.
Yeah, I'm sure HHH was sitting alone in his house crying into his cheerio's asking himself how he it would ever be possible to have an NXT TakeOver in New York City compete with G1 Supercard

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

VJeff posted:

Levesque Fears Meij :smug:

But yeah on the length issue, Wrestle Kingdom 13 had so much poo poo on the card they they had to get rid of the Rumble, and leave a bunch of important people off the card (Goto and Suzuki coming to mind quickest) and a bunch of matches were STILL obviously running up against time constraints, leaving the middle of the event feeling poorly paced and overly carried by its opener and its main events. I dunno if that's exactly why NJPW went to two days, but it made the most sense. WWE should've been doing this for like three years already at this point. i dunno why they don't, it's an excuse to lie about the attendance two nights in a row instead of one!
Because WrestleMania is like the only "casual" event that exists and going to two days is a clear concession against that. Like, they CAN just make it shorter - WrestleMania 30 had 7 matches on the main card, one of which was the Shield in a 90 second squash. Daniel Bryan was on screen for literally over a 1/3 of the run time of the entire event because 2 out of the 3 longest matches on the card were Bryan matches and even then, the odd-match out there was Lesnar/Undertaker which was dramatically longer than it needed to be - most people don't actually remember the match, just the ending. It's sort of the same problem that led to the elimination of brand-specific PPVs, which were way, way better than what they do now.

And I'm sure HHH no longer gets any sleep when he wonders how the main roster can compete with the insane star power of Cody Rhodes, Kenny Omega, a comedy tag team, 50 year old Jericho and a metric ton of people neither WWE or NJPW considered good enough to sign during the last two years of signing virtually everyone with even a glimmer of hope to get on television.

Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 18, 2019

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

VJeff posted:

I mean obviously they could make it a shorter, more tightly paced event but at no point in the last three years have they shown any interest in that. They stress "time spent watching the network" as a metric they care about. They're trying to produce as much loving content as possible, they might as well go all out and just have two long-ish events on back-to-back days instead of one horrifying gauntlet where you're wishing for death by the end of the night.


We're talking about NJPW, here, not the Elite, please direct your righteous WWEfan indignation at the right source.

It's not "righteous indignation" to have a differing viewpoint that isn't even offensive. Relax. I have no interest in AEW failing because I'm a fan of wrestling and unironically enjoy it in general; I would love for it to be a huge success, really. I just see things that look a bit dicey given their stated goals.

I'll give you that it's not exactly the correct thread for that discussion.

Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Mar 18, 2019

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Draxion posted:

who are you responding to, nobody's talking about AEW

here's my spoiler for the spoiler thread: Mania is going to be bad this year, for very similar reasons as it being bad last year

It's going to be bad because it's going to be 8 hours long which isn't the main reason why WM34 was bad, WM34 was bad because the entirety of the similarly long show was matches nobody gave a flying gently caress about. A match with Stephanie McMahon in it was literally the best match on the show and was in the first hour of the show. I would be highly surprised if WM35 was actually somehow worse with Rollins/Lesnar, Bryan/Kofi, Becky/Charlotte/Ronda as the three featured matches.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Tomahawk posted:

m8 are you back on the sauce

Using an alcoholic-in-recovery’s addiction issues as a pithy insult to win an online wrestling discussion seems cool and not at all an actual rear end in a top hat move.

What actually happened was I confused the AEW guy with the NJPW guy.

Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Mar 18, 2019

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

Big Coffin Hunter posted:

The WWE title match going on within the first two hours of the show is a good thing because it'll be before the death slog truly kicks in, so people will actually be into that match and pay attention.
https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1108066400084488192

Per Dave, card position isn't finalized until the week of the show, but I would be surprised if the WWE Championship match isn't basically where Bryan's match last year was - sort of the second half of the show but not right up against the billed main events. I have doubts that Kofi Kingston is going to take higher billing on the card order than Roman Reigns is. I have absolutely no evidence in support of that, it just seems like how they'd do it, particularly if Roman is going to lose (which he should, Raw needs a true main event heel and they can explain it away by saying Roman wasn't at full strength, and also Drew McIntyre kicks rear end) and the three big babyfaces are going to win.

Seems clear to me that the Triple Threat is closing the show to the point I would consider it absolute insanity if they didn't. Everything they're doing looks like a setup to put over Becky as the coolest person in the entire universe, Ronda's playing an unbeatable asskicker who hates the medium wrestling and its fans, and it's been the main story of both brands. That is like the definition of a main event. Have Becky's reactions cooled down? Sure. I don't think it's because she's actually less popular than she was before though, I think it's more a predictable consequence of not having her do awesome poo poo every single week. Regardless of what people think of the pre-Fastlane build to the match, I'm pretty confident the match will be extremely hot if it's put in the main event slot.

Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Mar 19, 2019

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

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Big Coffin Hunter posted:

To be fair, only one of the big three matches should go on last, and we know it isn't going to be Daniel Bryan/Kofi Kingston because of how WWE works. And with how much emphasis they've put on Becky/Rhonda(/Charlotte, I guess she's there too) being THE MAIN EVENT they shouldn't bait and switch it with Brock/Rollins unless Rollins is going over and even that is a maybe. The match has cooled off a little but Becky winning will still be hot

Still kind of funny how most of the story beats they were originally going to go for in the Becky angle got moved to the Kofi build and...

I just talked myself into it Rollins/Lesnar is last because Vince is bored of Becky and Kofi is black and Bryan is short
I'm not sure the match has cooled off per se, it's more that people are restless and want Becky to get put over a bunch right now even though it seems clear the whole point is putting her over huge at WM. I think there's just general fatigue that it isn't happening yet. It's going to be really hot in the building if it's the main event because that is a special attraction and that's when people will figure out how ridiculous of a push it is to beat Rousey and Flair in the main event of WrestleMania.

I don't think it matters at all whether Rollins is going over or not. It simply isn't the "main event." Unlike Reigns, Rollins has never received particularly nonsensical booking to push him as the top star and he frankly isn't the top star. Rollins/Lesnar doesn't gain anything from being last. The point of main eventing is to put over a match as the biggest match in the company and make the people in it look like massive stars. Rollins has a 0% chance of ever doing anything as cool as cashing in at WM31 and Lesnar main evented like 3 times and still doesn't show up.

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

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Jiro posted:

Kind of disappointing that they're just doing a massive wall of video screens than a unique physical set.

I think the video screens can physically move around.

I remember Muse had a stage setup that was like that, it could rearrange into like pyramids or whatever on the fly in between songs. I guess it could just be a bunch of TVs, which would be kinda lame, but they usually seem like they put a bunch into the WM stage setup.

Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Apr 5, 2019

Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

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Destroy My Sweater posted:

subject to change

“Plans change”

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Angry Grimace
Jul 29, 2010

ACTUALLY IT IS VERY GOOD THAT THE SHOW IS BAD AND ANYONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE WHY THAT'S GOOD IS AN IDIOT. JUST ENJOY THE BAD SHOW INSTEAD OF THINKING.

achillesforever6 posted:

charlotte wasn't -600 she was +600 though now is at +550
I mean it would be weird if there were two favorites. Also the lines were wrong for a bunch of relevant matches at WM34 - Asuka/Flair and Reigns/Lesnar in particular. I wouldn’t worry about “smart” odds.

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