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Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

CrimsonAuthor posted:

I'm 99% sure Wizards 1/2 are these (Spoilers within):

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090333/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090334/

They're Roger Corman movies (from his company at least), apparently spinoffs of Deathstalker, so Shout should have the rights to them.

The trailers and posters for these are glorious. :swoon:

I can't wait.

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Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
:neckbeard:

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

turn left hillary!! noo posted:

It's literally an entire minute of dead air, but the longer it went on, the harder I laughed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pGZbfNADNs

The first time I saw this, I lost it so hard my wife was concerned about my wellbeing. Started with just a chuckle thinking "Wait, is this a Sven and Ole joke?" and then progressively laughing harder and harder as it went on. To the point of tears. I just can't explain it.

It's probably my favorite skit.
v:shobon:v

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Feb 27, 2017

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
Got some time to kill and/or need a "to-watch" checklist of episodes before the new season? You should watch them all :ssh:

Paste Magazine posted:



We hope you're up for reading a 47,000 word ranking of every MST3k episode ever, because that's what this monster is. We've got movie sign!

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

DivisionPost posted:

They got the literal wrong riff for another movie. Sue's Vietnam flashback was in Monster a Go Go, not whatever movie he listed it for.

No?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISQ8NbQZZRg

From Are You Ready for Marriage? the short from episode 616, Racket Girls - the episode it's attributed to in the list.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
Tom Servo isn't censoring anything in that clip. He's trying to peek over the film's conveniently-placed prop. See also: Crow trying to peek under it.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
Really looking forward to the premier.

For the new season, I'm most curious to see of unique the new writing team feels. Even though members came and left during the original run of the show, it was a gradual thing and never really felt too different over a chronological viewing as a result. I wonder if the fresh team will try to mimic the feel of the riffing where the show left off, or if it's going to be a jump.

Turtlicious posted:

How do you guys compare joel to mike
Weakness-wise, the Joel era has a tendency for questionable jabs at Asians, while the Mike era leans more on declaring actresses to be transvestites and actors to be gay. :can:

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Burkion posted:

I don't remember that many bad jokes about Asians in Joel's era

As in I can't think of any. Early on in the Gamera films they would make fun of silly sounding Asian names, but that was just building up to "Do you think Japanese people make fun of stupid American names?" "Oh certainly."

I just found really low-effort stuff like R/L swapping and "Chinaman" accents/singing "ching chong" nonsense to be lazy riffing. There's also everyone's favorite Rex Dart: Eskimo Spy (see, because they all look the same!). Mostly it's that sort of stuff, and they definitely show a bit of self-awareness from time to time with comments like the one you listed. Jokes about slanted eyes and a dropped "nip" or two were a little more egregious.

It just seemed to be a bit of an early crutch to go "ah, those wacky Asians! :rolleyes:"


Huh, I always assumed those were Joel's old pair from his Godzilla stand-up bit, but looking at it now it looks like they went and made/found a second pair :psyduck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kSw45_WEyo&t=104s

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Apr 4, 2017

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
It's some manner of sand castle mold. Looks like it's probably from Small World Toys. Same for the shoulders I believe, although those particular molds are a bit different and might not be sold anymore/be part of a different kit.



The yellow one in the back is the mouth, and the shoulders are some alternate version of the red crossed with the blue.

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Apr 6, 2017

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

CommaToes posted:

Imagine it as the Fast and the Furious 1950's and it is better.

Also I watched the press conference and it was great. I like Tom Servo and Crow. Although if you read the rolling chat at the bottom of the video one guy keeps saying "I HATE THE NEW VOICES" "THEY ARE KILLING MST3K" every now and then. It's kinda funny actually.

https://twitter.com/Foone/status/850117426461130753

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
I'm loving the new tunnel sequence. :stwoon:

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

muscles like this! posted:

Something I thought was kind of weird was how it looks like the opening has Mary Jo in it but she doesn't show up in the first episode.

Are you confusing her with Rebecca Hanson?

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
Re: Mouth Sync comments, I wonder if Joel has Baron and Hampton practicing with the bots and if they'll take the feedback regarding the bots mouth/riff timing and go back to doing the riffs and puppeteering "live" while watching playback of the film. From the Q&A, it seemed like Joel was worried about having Baron and Hampton "learn on the go" how to riff and bot at the same time. It sounds like the new crew gets a bit better at it in later episodes, but the method they tried this season was that they pre-recorded the riffs in a studio and then tried syncing the silhouette movements afterwards. I'm still not sure that Crow benefits much from being operated by four people or Tom from three...

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Tiny Lowtax posted:

Are all episodes like episode one, where they riff nonstop? It's driving me insane.


While Joel said that he wanted faster-paced riffing, I think the breathless, non-stop riffing might be exacerbated in part due to the copy-and-paste way their doing the riffs this season:

Nerdist posted:

“[We were doing] two movies a day,” recollects Yount, who voices Crow T. Robot in the renewed series. “Two a day, but you’re not watching it at movie speed, you’re watching it at production speed, which is like a 14-hour day.” Recording it this way allowed the actors, writers, and creator/director Joel Hodgson the ability to perfect each and every joke until it was absolutely perfect. “You’re watching the ten-minute section over and over,” Yount continued, “slowing it down and trying to just break every comedic beat.”

[...]

Following the recording of the actual riffs, Jonah and the puppeteers headed into the silhouette stage for a week of acting out visual gags and movements along with the already-synced audio jokes.
If they're just recording and re-recording every riff they think of to get "absolutely perfect" takes, and experiencing the film via riffable sections, then they might not have been fully aware of how it might sound a bit overstuffed when everything is queued up in the final movie. :shrug:

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
I had a moment where I recalled hearing at one point that they wanted to change Gypsy's design because her silhouette as it was would cover too much screen if she came to the theater to riff and would be distracting...

...so they changed her so that she drops all the way from the ceiling, carrying a cooler the size of her head? :psyduck:

But then I remembered it's just a show.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

LividLiquid posted:

Anybody else remember a gag where somebody had to run through the doors with Cambot into the theater? This has been driving me up the wall.

Evil Mastermind posted:

Soultaker, I think? That was the one where the ship was malfunctioning and Mike had to force the door to the theater open.

Yup. Joel also did it at the beginning of Phase IV. :eng101:

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

ComposerGuy posted:

Absolutely. I think the mads new lair is basically set up like a late night show.

They've got a house band, the opening is big an elaborate, and Patton/Max does an Andy Richter over the commercial bumpers.

I've seen some complaints about this, especially the way the bumpers are done (or that's there's bumpers at all), but I love the hell out of it.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Evil Mastermind posted:

Yup. So far I've heard the Wild Rebels theme, Creepy Girl, the Canada song, and The United Servo Men's Chorus music.

I'm waiting for Tubular Boobular Joy :pray:

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

MazelTovCocktail posted:

Nah it's Inframan. It's a dead on replication.

Yup.



Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Bicyclops posted:

I hope they get another ten seasons out of this. It's already amazing, think of what they can do if they get more practice and more time.

I think "time" was definitely an issue for this season - this seems like it was a side gig for everyone on screen and quite a few of the crew behind the scenes as well. I have to imagine that the 48-hour riff recording and 1-week silhouette shoot were in-part due to trying to work around everyone's schedules outside of the show. If this season proves to be really popular and Netflix moves forward with another season (or even a multi-season) contract, perhaps it'll get a bit less rushed in those areas.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
Gather 'round, children!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifEI7OlkQH8

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

duz posted:

Ok, I can't watch this anymore, Crow just pronounced GIF the incorrect way.

He also emitted the Howie scream after offering to provide Jonah with a Wilhelm scream!
:goonsay:

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

Jingle!

Kinga and Max grooving to Dinosaur BBQ was gold.

Honestly, that episode is maybe my favorite of the season. I love Cry Wilderness and The Time Travelers for having that MST3k flavor (the first is is batshit crazy, and the second is decent-but-riffable), but The Land that Time Forgot (a schlocky-yet-enjoyable movie on its own) is where other aspects really fell together for me and I felt like it could have easily been an MST3k episode from the heights of the old seasons: the skits land (MOON 14!, "I still think I'm German!") and the crew and riffs have really settled into a groove both in their timing and delivery by that point.

I hope we get The People that Time Forgot next season.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Rollersnake posted:

I'm definitely seeing an overreliance on using movie sign to abruptly end host segments. That was absolutely a thing in the earlier seasons, but it never seemed like the norm. It kinda feels like they can't figure out how to properly end a skit now.

And/or they didn't want to/couldn't spend time figuring it out, similar to how they just said "gently caress it" and edited the salvageable parts of several skit takes together via bubble interference instead of nailing down a usable single continuous take.

I'm curious if a renewal from Netflix would give allow them to relax a bit and take more time, given that a lot of the props and such are already done.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

EatinCake posted:

Anyone know they filmed these in the episode order? A lot of the critiques so far have revolved around Reptilicius being the weakest, and them finding their voice & timing later on,

but maybe it's just that the viewer adjusts to this rhythm for the show by episode two, or that the viewer gets more accustomed to the new voices.

Reptilicus was indeed the first one they wrote and recorded riffs for, regardless of the production order of the rest of the episodes. Even Joel knew the Reptilicus episode was kinda rough:

quote:

ComingSoon.net: So I saw the “Reptilicus” premiere episode and then the “Cry Wilderness” episode. When I talked to Joel he was very insistent, “I want to stress there’s a big uptick in quality from the first episode to the other ones.” And I felt it. The “Cry Wilderness” episode felt like it was stronger, faster, funnier. Can you talk a little bit about the leap from the pilot to the rest of the episodes?

Jonah Ray: Yeah, it’s funny because when we started doing the episodes, I got to this one I really wanted to dub. And I was like, “Joel, we should make this the first episode. This is such a solid episode.” Then Joel, in his shaman-like way, was like, “No, man, you gotta start them off easy, then you progressively get better and better.” And I was like, “Oh okay. I don’t know if viewers work that way anymore, that you’ve got to wow them right off the bat.” But he is wise in his comedic timing, so I do think that we did get exponentially better the more we did it. “Reptilicus” was the first one we wrote and it was the first one we recorded. So we were still trying to find our rhythm, find the voices and get used to it, and also just kind of get over the mind trip of doing it at all. It was overwhelming to just be in that position of like, “Oh, wow, we’re actually doing this. We’re actually doing this. This is crazy,” that we’re getting to make “Mystery Science Theater.” I think there is a bit of that, which I hope people find charming, the way I found early episodes of “MST” charming, but they weren’t perfect. I do think that “Cry Wilderness” is such a great movie, and there’s this Korean monster movie, “Yongary,” which is basically Godzilla with a horn on its nose. When they sent us that one, the completed episode of “Yongary,” I saw it and went, “Oh man, this should be the first episode.” But hopefully people will stick with it and enjoy it as we get better at it and everyone’s more comfortable with the positions.

Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/features/838011-jonah-ray-talks-hosting-the-new-mystery-science-theater-3000#4Rg34MjOWuq5iGeJ.99

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Apr 21, 2017

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Pollyanna posted:

What does Gypsy keep taking up and down at the beginning/middle of the movies? A lunch box?

According to Joel: She's delivering "the payload"

That's all we've been told :shrug:

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

howe_sam posted:

I once read that they hated that gag, regretted doing it and felt it broke the rules of the show.

The episode was The Robot vs. The Aztec Mummy. From The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Amazing Colossal Episode:

Mike Nelson posted:

We were still experimenting with the movie comments and we look back with embarrassment at two particular gags. One involved Joel covering the mouth of a woman singing and the singing being muted. The other, even more shameful, was adding the sound of men, ahem, urinating when there was a shot of them with their backs turned. Both broke the rules of the show, and both were really quite stupid. We're really very sorry.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
Alright, here we go: The entire season was written, riffed, and largely shot (making exceptions for guest appearances) in the order that we see now.

From 26 minutes into Episode 57 of the MST3K Revival League Podcast (A post-release interview with Jonah running through some behind-the-scenes info/Q&As for the whole season - a fun listen!):

MST3K Revival League Podcast posted:

[Greg - Host] Our fan question comes from Leanne, and she asks: "Were the episodes shot in order? I ask because the chemistry amongst the riffers seems so great right out the gate from Episode 1101."

[Jonah] Yeah. Reptilicus was the first one we wrote, recorded, and shot, and they're in order from there. It was extremely brutal doing Wizards 1 & 2 in a row. I remember going to Joel like "You gotta space these out! You have to space these out!"

[Ryan - Host] That's the riffing, right? Because you shot the host segments in whatever order was most amenable to the schedule, right?

[Jonah] Yeah, the host segments themselves were all very much, you know, shot like as much in order as they can, but it was pretty scattershot - something new every time we started. That was just another aspect of shooting as much as we did in the amount of time that we did. But yeah, for the riffs themselves, very much in order of what we did, and I mean everything was written in that order as well. I remember even - when, uh, I think we were doing Beast of Hollow Mountain or Yongary, and I was telling Joel, "Hey, I think we should put this one first," and he's like "You can't do that. You can't just pop another one first. People are gonna watch and it's gonna be really good and then it's not gonna be as good the next one. You want to slide people into it." And I remember going "I don't know about that. In this age of instant reviews and stuff like that." But he was right. He was right, people really kind of loved the fact that they could feel it get better.

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Apr 22, 2017

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

8one6 posted:

I'm pretty sure that the stock footage fights from Wizards of the Lost Kingdom 2 are from another Carradine movie called the Warrior and the Sorceress which is a giant piece of poo poo.

That's actually where the cut "Carradine fighting a giant, tentacled monster" spillover footage that Ardy talks about is from.

It does not save the whole movie. Either of them.

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Apr 24, 2017

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

The Unlife Aquatic posted:

It's a cheeky way to say they made major cuts to the film for the purposes of fitting it into the timeslot.

Not that all the footage they're describing is necessarily "major" - the aforementioned "tentacled monster" scene cut from Wizards 2 is roughly 1 minute of inconsequential footage recycled from another film.

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Apr 24, 2017

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
A movie that I'd love to see riffed is Metalstorm: The Destruction of Jared-Syn. I was always a bit disappointed they never did it during the original run, especially since they actually referenced it in a riff or two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOVRp_0tU7A

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Apr 24, 2017

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgoybhQNzEc
(Not mine)

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

BJPaskoff posted:

It's probably been over a decade since I watched it, but wasn't From Dusk Till Dawn like this (if it wasn't revealed in the trailer, trailers back then were even worse than today at spoiling movies)? Standard action/hostage movie, and then suddenly vampires? I remember reading a review that mentioned this, but I don't remember how long into the movie it was.

Pretty much exactly half-way. But yeah, that movie comes to mind.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Manofmanusernames posted:

So is Jonah gonna be the host for next season? Cause it seems kinda weird on how they seemingly killed him off at the end.

And then there's this bit on carvival Magic:


Are they hinting at next season's host? Is it going to be one of those things where there's a new host every season?

That's just another facet of the Alternaverse peeking through.

Regarding Jonah, you didn't watch the credits of the last episode, did you? Joel has said that Jonah will get ~100 episodes, all things permitting (to bring him up to par with Joel and Mike).

Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 06:05 on May 16, 2017

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Godsdamnit, I want more Waverly. :mad:

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
Starting on Monday (June 26th) at 11AM PT, the Shout! Factory TV Twitch channel will be running a 38-episode marathon of classic MST3K.

Check out this blog post for more information.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
Mind tossing what the other film was in spoilers? I'm curious how it fits the "Watch out for snakes" namesake (I'm going to guess it doesn't really).

Also, was there any mention of it being taped? I wonder if it might show up as a special on Netflix at some point in the future.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
I think my favorite was The Land that Time Forgot. It just felt the most "classic MST3K" to me, and the cast really had their pacing and deliveries down. I might be alone on that however, as it seems pretty overlooked by most. :shrug:

Cry Wilderness is also great, if only for the insanity of the entire thing.

Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets

Burkion posted:

borderline racist uncle

Not an unfair description of Joel either...

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Alehkhs
Oct 6, 2010

The Sorrow of Poets
For you non-Kickstarter folks (and really, everybody - there's photos of the upcoming season!), here's an article about Season 12: https://news.avclub.com/exclusive-mystery-science-theater-3000-s-new-season-ge-1829297286

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