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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

♫♫♫He TRIIIIIEED to kill me with a FORK LIFT ♫♫♫

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

You know what, I like Daddy-O, I like the lead, I like the fat guy that's in a bunch of the Corman movies, and the coke-bottle glasses mook is an S-tier goon.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Do you think people actually said "swell" that much in the 50s

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

This is something I've been idly wondering, I know I should really just relax, but do they ever give a reason why they come in and out of the theater? I know what the reason is (to set up host segments, whatever those are) but Tom's always like "we gotta go" or "it's time to go", not in like an OH GOD WE GOTTA GET OUTTA HERE way, like "it's on the schedule" way.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I get that's why they go in, but why do they come out?

Also it occurs to me that an episode probably happens over multiple days of show time rather than 1 hr 30. NONE OF IT MATTERS OF COURSE but you wonder about these things when you watch the whole series back to back twice

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Tom meltdowns I think are my favorite Servo bits. "That's your mother winky you mother my god"

Does anyone know what the "Wha hoppen?" joke comes from. It's gotta be the same thing that Fred Willard is referencing in A Mighty Wind, but even googling it I can't find an answer

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=879Vnr4vojI&t=10s

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

*extremely Peter Graves voice* “I’m Peter Graves.”

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

JethroMcB posted:

Yeah...I'm Cherokee Jack.

Another hollywood pretty boy

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I think back to the time that Peter Graves enrolled at a freshman at the University of Minnesota.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I'm agnostic on Trace v Bill but Trace had a much better impression game

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Good lord the "english" girls accent in Atomic Brain is the worst thing I've ever heard

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I always do a double take whenever they do a Donald Trump joke, which happens a fair few times. I'm like, lads, you have no idea

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

So, these deliquent teen exploitation movies that are presented as morality tales, like The Violent Years or I Accuse My Parents, were they responding to a real moral panic or was it just a veneer laid over violent teen crime movies to dodge the Hays code or whatever

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Senior Woodchuck posted:

A bit of both, really. There was a moral panic, but it wasn't based in anything real. Like epenthesis said, people were just weirded out by this new social class called the teenager, something between kids and adults with the freedom of the former but a mind much more like the latter. Throw in postwar paranoia and whatever it is in the white suburban psyche that seems to demand a boogeyman to be afraid of, and you get adults going nuts.

As for the exploitation factor, that's much simpler: there have always been sleazebags willing to sell and buy sleazy entertainment. Wrapping it in concern for America's precious youth just gave it deniability.

It's interesting to compare it to moral panic about youths today because in those 50's films, the delinquents are the children of elite, but neglectful parents. Oh we provided them everything...but attention. Basically the opposite framing from modern days where juvenile delinquency panic is about minority gang violence.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Also the hep cat slang-saying charter boat extortionist from Tormented actually survived his attack at the hands of the perfidious Jazz Musician and went on to become the sheriff of the town terrorized by a giant Beau Bridges and his gang of conservatively dressed teenage wrigglers. Hate to see a man go from cool to "dad" like that.

e: oh wow he was also the bartender in the shining! and Tyrell in blade runner!

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Guess ol Burt I had higher standards

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

IDK if it's just nostalgia but I prefer the older movies. Demon Squad was OK but I think they knew they were making a bad movie. It's the complete sincerity of the terrible movies from the original runs that enhance the riffing. I mean they have to have studio space, locations, lighting, editing, actual film cameras and other stage craft stuff. Demon Squad was just a guy with a handheld digital camera and Final Cut - or at least it seemed that way. In the modern era anyone can make a movie with just a camera and a computer and there's always a bit of self-awareness with these purely amateur productions. The Room is an S-tier so-bad-it's-good movie because it has all the Hollywood BTS stuff and is fully sincere, if they were actually winking at themselves like Wiseau falsely claims it would've sucked.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

*most dangerous, murderous teenager you've ever seen* Say fellas, that dame looks real swell.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

muscles like this! posted:

Yeah, it is what brings them down because cops show up and they start a gunfight.

What brings them down is a lack of strict parenting and religion!

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Another thing is after the judge's five minute boomer monologue he's like "I will not remand this child into the care of its wealthy, successful and respected grandparents, but rather the state foster care system!"

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

It's interesting, I got into MST3k as a kid, and they got a ton of letters from kids, so obviously something from the show resonates with children but I didn't understand basically any of the references. Watching now when I do get an obscure reference, I'm like, drat that's an obscure rear end reference, how did anyone know what these guys were talking about before wikipedia. I guess it's just a good mix of all-ages gags and then extremely specific, sensible chuckle eliciting deep cuts.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

*me, smiling sensibly* "I know who Estes Kefauver is."

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

happyhippy posted:

I saw a pic of it in maybe Starburst or some other magazine back in 88/89, and I was sci-fi/horror mad then.
Problem was, this was Ireland, and only got to see my first one in the early 2000s due to torrenting (Horror at Party Beach, such a lol as first one)
And I hadn't a clue about most of the references as an adult then, like 'AHA FANG!', for ages.

Yeah so many of the references are specific to American culture, particularly upper Midwestern culture, that I bet it's even harder for a non-American to get the jokes.

It's funny you mention not being able to watch it because you were in Ireland, I wonder how many people here actually had MST3K regularly broadcast in their home markets. I only ever got to see it when we went to my grandparent's house for Thanksgiving, because they had Comedy Central and we didn't. I bet a lot of fans today saw their first episode as part of a Turkey Day Marathon as they were flipping channels bored at a relative's house.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Sydney Bottocks posted:

I was in the USAF when two different guys I worked with tried to get me into it when we were hanging out. One was a guy in England (who had friends and family send him tapes of stuff like that over from the US); I don't remember which episode it was, but I'm pretty sure it was either from Season 2 or Season 3. The second was a guy in California, and I'm pretty sure he showed me Lost Continent, because I do remember the whole "ROCK CLIMBING" bit. But, in both cases the show just completely bounced off of me. I'm not sure why, but it just didn't connect with me back in the early 1990s.

I got out of the service in the mid-1990s and was back home with my folks right around the time they got satellite TV (Dish Network, I think). One wintry Friday night, I was flipping through the channels and happened upon MST3K, and the episode that night happened to be Operation Double 007, which piqued my interest as I watched all the Bond films as a kid. Then the following reference was made at one point during the movie:

"He died listening to Rush."
"2112."

I was a pretty big Rush fan, so that cinched it for me. :v:

Operation Double 007 is an absolutely insane movie concept and I had never heard of it before mst3k. The whole thing is premised on a radio interview after the brother got fired from his job as a plasterer. The director heard it and was like "This dude sounds exactly like his brother" and that was the foundation for the production of this film. And then they dubbed his entire performance in post with an American actor! If he didn't look somewhat like his brother you'd never know it was supposed to be a spoof.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Mariinees...wee are leaaaavviiiinnng

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Gaspy Conana posted:

no cable but our uncle (who was also into playing drums + listening to Rush) got a VHS tape of Eegah for us for Christmas and my sister and I wore that thing out. for some reason we watched that, Forrest Gump, Little Nemo, and Titanic constantly..

Never got snakebit though, I imagine

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Park Harpell? That's not dyslexia, that's Canadian English this is Canada!

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

JethroMcB posted:

Thanks to the old Satellite News broadcast schedule archive I know exactly when I first saw MST3K: March 13, 1993. I was watching TV with my dad as he was cruising around cable we caught some of the 7 PM airing of Fire Maidens of Outer Space. "Look, these guys at the bottom of the screen make fun of this old movie while it's running!" Again, got pretty much none of the jokes, but I was enraptured by the concept. Always wanted to watch it when it was on, but mom thought Comedy Central was exclusively dirty jokes/material unsuited for a 3rd grader so it was a semi-off limits thing. We moved a year later and our new cable provider didn't carry Comedy Central (And when it moved to Sci-Fi, that was in a "premium" channel tier my parents wouldn't pay for.)

Sci-Fi kept it as a 9/10 AM Saturday staple for about three and a half years after it was cancelled, but as they lost the rights to movies the episode pool got smaller and smaller. (To say nothing of the episodes where Sci-Fi lost the rights pretty much immediately - looking at you, Gorgo; I caught the 11PM airing when we were at the beach that weekend and for the next 5 years I thought I had imagined "HAIL DORKIN!") Our cable company finally added Sci-Fi to the standard channel lineup sometime around 2001, and by then they only had about 20 episodes total airing in a steady rotation. (And half of those I'd already recorded on VHS while visiting family/friends)

Reading all these memories about how we had to watch TV in 1992, the modern conception of "watching TV" has already diverged so far from this, it's going to be unrecognizable to people in 50 years.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

What did Mallon and Joel have friction about, do we know? Was it invention exchange...

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Corman has a rep as an utter hack but it's crazy how close he was to "legit" hollywood stars (he was really good friends with Jack Nicholson for example) and so many famous filmmakers and actors got their starts working on Corman pictures, guys like Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, and Bogdanovich

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

A Pack of Kobolds posted:

There’s a great documentary called Corman’s World. He launched so loving many careers and appears to not be a disgusting Hollywood shithead creep.

He's also still alive today!!

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Wihrwelf?

What's the rights issue with Final Sacrifice, it's on everyone's top ten but it's the hardest one to find

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Raskolnikov38 posted:

if anyone asks, i definitely didnt provide a link to a 1080p download of it https://archive.org/download/mst-3-k-910-tfs-1080p-60

@_@ my eyes...

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Nitpicking but Amazing Colossal Man they make a big deal about how they've never tested a plutonium bomb before. Mr. Gordon that was literally the first nuclear explosion in history, please go out in the street and ask anybody

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

In fact, there may only have been one U-235-only nuclear explosion in history

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Gordon also did The Beginning of the End so he may just think that radiation = bigger. I'm Peter Graves.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006


quote:

Joel Hodgson: Well, I want to reiterate that Netflix did not give us any notes. The only one thing they asked us to stop was we would do these little breaks that would be these kinds of moments where we’d reiterate the world of the show. They were kind of like ad breaks. They asked us not to do that because they felt that the viewers might go, “Oh, why is there an ad break?” You know, it doesn’t have to be there. So, that was the only note we got. For example, they weren’t reading our scripts and giving us notes is what I’m saying. We never got that. In fact, while I was working on this show, we’ve never gotten notes. I think that only happened during Sci-Fi [Channel].

I actually liked those ._.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Sometimes Mike/Joel or the bots will laugh at another's riff and I always wondered if those were scripted or spontaneous.

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

John Murdoch posted:

Any time it sounds like one of them is positively dying (Joel reacting to Tom's song about the ice skating twins in Circus on Ice, Mike losing it to the grouchy shopkeep in Brute Man) it's 100% spontaneous.

Good, that's what I was hoping. I read a long, long time ago about their process, as I recall they watch the films multiple times and rehearse all the riffs, so is it just that the delivery is so good it's funny for the actual shoot or are they sneaking in adlibs?

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