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Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010



Canned Ferret

I've been in that situation before, but at least the women never got angry at me, I just felt bad for inadvertently hurting their feelings and felt dumb for not picking up on what were retroactively very obvious signals. If there is one definite difference between men and women's reaction to failing at dating it is that men are far more likely to develop seething resentment about it, rather than just feeling bad before taking their wares to a more interested buyer.

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Stinky_Pete
Aug 15, 2015

:bernget:
Forever past
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We live

Lipstick Apathy

A libertarian/MRA/GG hero

I'll just put one overarching [sic] here

Stefan Molyneux posted:

What do woman say to little boys? " Stop fighting. Stop being so rough. Stop rough housing." They're boys you know, that's kinda what they're sapossed to do. So, men are sapossed to overcome all these biological drives and I'm just really interested in helping women overcome theirs caus' I think the spotlight of " Outgrow your bestial nature." has been pointed just a little bit too long at men and I think it's time to swivel that motherfucker around and point it at woman and say stop making yourself look like loving sex clowns to milk money out of men's dicks. Stop lying about who you are and what you're about. Stop being flirty, manipulative, and trying to be sexy. Just stop doing it.

It's time for women to outgrow biology just as men have been instructed to for about the last 20,000 years to outgrow their biology. "Stop slamming doors. Stop yelling. Stop climbing trees. Stop being rude. Stop farting. Stop enjoying fart jokes. Just stop being men."

Ok, Well; women stop being women. Be people. Be people who have sex, absolutely but, don't be caricatures. Don't aim to be like a woman who looks like the outline of some playboy mudflap on a trucker's rig. Just be people. Be sexual. Enjoy your sexuality and bodies but, stop trying to bury us in tits so that we pass out and you can rifle through our bank accounts. Just stop doing that poo poo. I won't enable it anymore. Why does your face have to look like some half rained on Picasso water color? I don't need rainbows on the face of a woman. I don't need these weird butterfly wing goth eyebrows and poo poo like that.

Male sexuality is demonized and female sexuality is elevated. That's bullshit. Then women wonder why men prefer porn to them. It's caus' porn doesn't nag you for wanting stuff that's defined as "kinky" or "weird". Male sexuality is demonized and held in low esteem. Woman's sexuality is always beautiful.

Woman's sexuality is unremitting shallow. I'm not saying men's isn't but, we know that about men, right? What turns women on? Women say confidence. Do you know what that means? Money. Do women say " He is really confident about his sidewalk art. He is really confident about his subway busking. That's such a turn on!"

Why do men like looking at naked women and women get turned on looking at clothed men? Because if a man's clothes aren't on you don't know how expensive his wardrobe is.

This is what Mohammad Ali said. I'm going to throw on some old jeans and a old t-shirt and I'm just gonna walk down into some little town and find some woman who doesn't know who the hell I am and then when she's fallen in love with me and we get married, I'm going to take her to my million dollar mansion and my yacht. This is the reality. Once you start having money, once you start having power, then the true nature of massive swaths of female sexuality becomes clear.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012



sapossed

PallasAthene
Dec 6, 2010

Why, vixen, have you again set the gods by the ears in the pride and haughtiness of your heart?


What's weird about this guy was that I guess he liked me pretty quick after we met, but he went out of his way to tell me he had never had interest in girls. That sort of tossed him out of the dating pool. Maybe he thought that if I thought he wasn't interested in girls, I'd be comfortable changing in front of him or something? My bro knew some guy who swore that if you pretended to be gay, Christian girls would take it as a challenge to "convert" you back with sex. I think I remember a movie in the 90's where Chandler from friends pretended to be gay to get girls. That may have had something to do with it.

edit:

PallasAthene fucked around with this message at Jul 25, 2016 around 16:29

Extra Large Marge
Jan 21, 2004

third place is still pretty damn good


Fun Shoe

PallasAthene posted:

What's weird about this guy was that I guess he liked me pretty quick after we met, but he went out of his way to tell me he had never had interest in girls. That sort of tossed him out of the dating pool. Maybe he thought that if I thought he wasn't interested in girls, I'd be comfortable changing in front of him or something? My bro knew some guy who swore that if you pretended to be gay, Christian girls would take it as a challenge to "convert" you back with sex. I think I remember a movie in the 90's where Chandler from friends pretended to be gay to get girls. That may have had something to do with it.

Francis from "Malcolm in the Middle" did that too. These guys must watch too much TV.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 362 days!


Pillbug

Moon Atari posted:

It is directly stated by the angry sad dudes as what they feel. See jon pop's entire post history as an example. It also seems uncontroversial that more men than women have no sex life at all but would like to, especially when the only rebuttal to it is that some women are lonely because they would rather not lower their standards. As much as talk of sexual market forces is tainted by creepy people it is true that men and women face different pressures and annoyances in the dating game, with different failure states. A guy with no game will experience no expression of romantic or sexual interest directed towards him, and if he takes this poorly he starts freaking out about all women being whores who only want 'chads' and maybe does the 'man going his own way' thing. A woman with no game will not have romantic or sexual interest directed at her from the people she would like or in the manner she would like, and if she takes it poorly she starts complaining about all men being lovely partners who only want sex and maybe does the 'political lesbian' thing.

People who experience the lovely end of the dating spectrum tend to envy the experience of the other gender, so you get lonely dudes who have never had someone so much as look their way who are pissed at women complaining about too much attention, while you get women who are constantly hounded by crappy dudes who are pissed at men for complaining that they have it hard in dating.

Rutibex posted:

i think the problem is a certain percentage of people just are not suited for finding mates in an industrialized society with infinite choices. we are designed for a tribal band no bigger than 50 or so, where everyone would get a shot just because of lack of variety and options. once we started building cities we came up with all sorts of elaborate marriage and sex regulation schemes, because the way our sexuality is wired is not suited for groups of millions of people all together. unfortunately all of these schemes were tied into religion, and when the west went atheist it threw the baby out with the bathwater. now we have anime figurines instead.

i think many in our society would benefit from an arranged marriage system, for some

I have arranged a marriage between you Rutibex, and you Moon Atari. You may now kiss each other.

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING WAY TOO HARD TO FIT IN

I'm have a huge crush on someone in this thread. Aww heck, I love them!

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006



I get friend-zoned by my heterosexual male friends all the time. They're such cunts.

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010



Canned Ferret

I knew expressing anything but unambiguous scorn for dudes bitter about being unable to get laid was risky, but I didn't think that saying more men than women can't pick up to save their life would be controversial.

Flyball
Apr 17, 2003



Pick posted:

Half the time I don't know someone had a crush on me until years later, when someone else informs me. And it's always like, what?? No one told me this when it would have been helpful.

This one works both ways. Facebook has enabled a couple of women to let me know that, 'btw I had a total crush on you decades ago'.

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012



I don't think you can defend "nice guys" without someone claiming you're a redpiller/mra. Way to let the patriarchy win.

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006



Gaunab posted:

I don't think you can defend "nice guys" without someone claiming you're a redpiller/mra. Way to let the patriarchy win.

There are no nice guys ever. Just rapists and future rapists

Gamer With Dignity
May 15, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo


a dog from hell posted:

*makes a silly joke*

Some Guy: What the #@$! is wrong with you!?!?

Mumpy Puffinz is easily triggered.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Moon Atari posted:

I knew expressing anything but unambiguous scorn for dudes bitter about being unable to get laid was risky, but I didn't think that saying more men than women can't pick up to save their life would be controversial.

you're dumb

dumb as hell

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012



Moon Atari posted:

I knew expressing anything but unambiguous scorn for dudes bitter about being unable to get laid was risky, but I didn't think that saying more men than women can't pick up to save their life would be controversial.

The women who can't pick up guys are invisible to you and everyone else, hence why you think they don't exist in the same numbers hth

Gamer With Dignity
May 15, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo


There are no nice guys in a school of psychology. Just therapists and future therapists.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Blue Train posted:

The women who can't pick up guys are invisible to you and everyone else, hence why you think they don't exist in the same numbers hth

yep

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

 
I'm sick from the disease eating away at me inside...


Plaster Town Cop

BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

what kind of english person says "fam"

millenial hipsters chavs obviously

e: this thread

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009


Moon Atari posted:

I knew expressing anything but unambiguous scorn for dudes bitter about being unable to get laid was risky, but I didn't think that saying more men than women can't pick up to save their life would be controversial.

I am telling you I know these women. My current workplace is actually absolutely full of them. They're alone and they always have been. No one has ever even tried to love them. They find solace in community work but they go home and the place is empty. I'm trying to set my phone down more often and instead of check it on break, try to have a convo with some of them but the work is depressing so it's hard. Easier to discretely re-feed my phone cats in neko atsume and pretend everything is fine

Pick fucked around with this message at Jul 25, 2016 around 17:16

Oscar Wild
Apr 11, 2006



Pick posted:

I am telling you I know these women. My current workplace is actually absolutely full of them. They're alone and they always have been. No one has ever even tried to love them. They find solace in community work but they go home and the place is empty. I'm trying to set my phone down more often and instead of check it on break, try to have a convo with some of them but the work is depressing so it's hard (thanks internet and alt-tabbing)

Yeah, but that's just portland for you. The only emotions they are capable of are expressions of smug and passive aggression

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING WAY TOO HARD TO FIT IN

Huh, today I learned there's a cat lady app. Jesus, that's even more depressing than collecting actual cats.

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010



Canned Ferret

Blue Train posted:

The women who can't pick up guys are invisible to you and everyone else, hence why you think they don't exist in the same numbers hth

Invisible even to the internet, the land of people sharing their own complaints and insecurities without people censoring them. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying that there are more men than women in that position. I have pity for anyone's dating problems, but saying that different genders have different dating problems isn't an endorsement of any mra/pua talking point. Most people can acknowledge that the more common complaint for women is lovely men coming onto them, whereas the more common complaint for men is being rejected by everyone. Being unable to even lose their virginity and being unhappy about it is more likely to be a problem men have. Saying that doesn't imply that I think there is some societal problem that needs fixing like mra's do, it's just an explanation of why 'nice guys' get so crazy, which I initially offered in counter to the theory that it is because male friendships suck.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Moon Atari posted:

Invisible even to the internet, the land of people sharing their own complaints and insecurities without people censoring them. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm saying that there are more men than women in that position. I have pity for anyone's dating problems, but saying that different genders have different dating problems isn't an endorsement of any mra/pua talking point. Most people can acknowledge that the more common complaint for women is lovely men coming onto them, whereas the more common complaint for men is being rejected by everyone. Being unable to even lose their virginity and being unhappy about it is more likely to be a problem men have. Saying that doesn't imply that I think there is some societal problem that needs fixing like mra's do, it's just an explanation of why 'nice guys' get so crazy, which I initially offered in counter to the theory that it is because male friendships suck.

lmao you're just proving the point that they are invisible to you

hint: you're not gonna find that many ladies complaining about being rejected here, maybe try places that aren't a huge sausagefest??

Moon Atari
Dec 26, 2010



Canned Ferret

Troposphere posted:

lmao you're just proving the point that they are invisible to you

hint: you're not gonna find that many ladies complaining about being rejected here, maybe try places that aren't a huge sausagefest??

I think I've found one actually.

Hogge Wild
Aug 21, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 362 days!


Pillbug

Troposphere posted:

you're dumb

dumb as hell

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo


the problem with incels who are all butthurt about sexual marketplace dynamics is not that they can't get laid, it's that they won't 'deign to lower their standards.'

Most of them are literally: "I want a 9 or 10 and everything else is beneath me. Also, he or she must be funny, intelligent, interesting, have cool hobbies, cook, clean, and generally be more or less perfect." They may not say that outright, but deep down in their squirmy hearts it is true.

Then they are sad because they have nothing even remotely close to that to offer in return (in fact most of the time their hobbies are 'plays videogames, smokes weed') and the .01% of the population that is their ideal wants nothing to do with them because why would they?

don't tell me you can't find someone to gently caress, that's bullshit. you just want someone that you aren't willing to put the effort in to get and then you blame it on 'oh I just don't have tons of cash.'

applies to both men and women.

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at Jul 25, 2016 around 17:43

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo


I guess people who are legit disfigured or super ugly might have a pass on that (but even then bro it's not impossible) but generally the people I see whining are some average looking white people who absolutely could get laid if they loosened up a bit

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012



College Slice

PallasAthene posted:

One of my "best friends" in college was this guy who swore that he didn't want any kind of relationship with me. For years. He made it so clear when we first met, so I believed him. We would go to the gym every day and we'd go to minigolf or the movies or out to Applebee's or some such place at least every other week. He was also huge into going to places for poetry readings and coffee shops. He was so adamant about not wanting a girlfriend but not fitting in with guys, and after a couple years he told me how he'd never been attracted to girls and had never gotten an erection over a girl. By then we were really close and I assumed this was sort of a clumsy trial run for coming out (this was the early 2000's in the South), because he used to always love to help one of my friends with braiding and styling her really long hair, and he used to always suggest things like calling a bunch of girls over to watch romantic comedies, and whenever a girl from my social circle had a relationship end, he would always want to have everyone get together and drink wine and make fun of the offending ex.

There was no real big dramatic ending except one day a year or so after we graduated my brother told me he ran into Tyler in a bar downtown. He said that he recognized him from my Facebook and he introduced himself, and Tyler blew up right away and said "Dude your sister is so loving stuck up! I tried to gently caress her for FOUR YEARS and she never put out."

Opposite Land: A girl I hung out with in highschool and early university who I thought I was really good friends with turned out to have a thing for me but never made a move. I found out years later from a mutual friend and was like "drat... I would have gone for that! "

Tumble
Jun 24, 2003
I'm not thinking of anything!


One time I was into this girl (actually I think we fooled around before this once or twice too) and I told her "Hey I'm into you!", but she'd been seeing somebody else so she said "Well I'm seeing this other guy and I'd like us to be friends."

Man I was upset for the evening, but then I remained her friend and also slept with a few of her other friends too. Man it would suck to be one of those bitter shut-ins who thought that one girl was his only option on earth.

Tumble fucked around with this message at Jul 25, 2016 around 18:21

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING WAY TOO HARD TO FIT IN

I'm collating all of these inspirational stories of goons interacting with members of the opposite sex and other pearls of wisdom into a little book of proverbs. I just need a catchy title.

Extra Large Marge
Jan 21, 2004

third place is still pretty damn good


Fun Shoe

Funky See Funky Do posted:

I'm collating all of these inspirational stories of goons interacting with members of the opposite sex and other pearls of wisdom into a little book of proverbs. I just need a catchy title.

Chicken Soup for the Sadsack's Soul

Space Poodle
Nov 11, 2007


The Seven Habits of Highly Successful Sexers

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING WAY TOO HARD TO FIT IN

I was going to go with "Are You There God? I'm Horny" but those are way better.

Cnut the Great
Mar 30, 2014


Tumble posted:

Man I was upset for the evening, but then I remained her friend and also slept with a few of her other friends too.

Kinda hosed up that you used your friend like that, buddy. That's what you were after all along, wasn't it? Admit it, you sex-crazed barbarian.

Troposphere
Jul 11, 2005


psycho killer
qu'est-ce que c'est?

Moon Atari posted:

I think I've found one actually.

holy poo poo I just got owned

RobattoJesus
Aug 13, 2002



This thread has put me off sex

spud
Aug 27, 2003

I like to make the sex

I like women with giant hands. They make me feel safe.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003



Sp1r0_Agn3W posted:

please word filter 'surprise sex' to 'hot cosby' tia

a hole-y ghost
May 10, 2010



Where's Keg? I want to see him weigh in on this issue.

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009


Moridin920 posted:

I guess people who are legit disfigured or super ugly might have a pass on that (but even then bro it's not impossible) but generally the people I see whining are some average looking white people who absolutely could get laid if they loosened up a bit

If women minded disfigurement that much, the inheritable ones wouldn't exist. My grandfather looked like someone stretch armstrong'd loving doug jones and his wife (my grandmother) still married him and they were together until he died in his 40s.

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