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Pick
Jul 19, 2009




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Honestly, the biggest issue is that they never follow up by asking us out. There are lots of nice guys I'd have dated if they'd ever asked, but they didn't.

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009




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Nice guys also seem to spend a lot of time angrily imagining women having sex with other men, even when we're like... not doing that. They're sure we are though.

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Jul 19, 2009




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spregalia posted:

Bitch, you're supposed to know. It's not like a single human being has ever done a single kind thing for another human being without the expectation of sex.

Well even then, if we knew, what are we supposed to do? Just start stripping right there? That's really awkward for us if the guy wasn't actually interested. It's not like I haven't made an rear end out of myself assuming someone wanted sex and then offering it and having them instead be like "aaaa" and leaving me to fast and buy more lipstick colors

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




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Women like to feel like they're cherished, just like men. It's so far from being complicated .

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Jul 19, 2009




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Don Tacorleone posted:

I don't have any ill will towards women but I wish they experienced how bad rejection feels

Like I'm sure some girls are rejected now and then, but it's not the 99% chance that ugly men have

women get rejected all the drat time, and also just as many of us are ugly so

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Jul 19, 2009




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The General posted:

I dunno, I see more ugly dudes around.

women think benedict cumberbatch is hot

in parks and rec, a show with rob lowe, every female viewer wanted to bang chubby chris pratt

women don't even like how the price stops being a bison-bear in the end of beauty and the beast

"hottest man alive" george clooney looks like a math teacher

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Jul 19, 2009




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Irom posted:

Agree. I feel like the stereotype of the blonde jock lacrosse player doing all these campus rapes is a myth. It's really these beta types that take advantage of passed out girls out of frustration

Maybe instead they could ask girls out, out of frustration, instead of raping them

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Jul 19, 2009




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Don Tacorleone posted:

I'm talking about attractive people, but now that I think about it I'm like "well drat why would anyone reject them "

But you get my point, pretty people could be nicer to uglies

I think most of the mystique about appearance, overall, needs to be broken down. I think I had my act together best when I looked my worst, and was the biggest shitshow when I looked my best .

I think Vonneguy's story Miss Temptation was good about it.

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Jul 19, 2009




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Seymour Butts posted:

Would you like to go out on a date with me?

You in Portland?

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Jul 19, 2009




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too far to prove point to something awful forams

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Jul 19, 2009




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Irom posted:

But what if they say no?

I'm afraid we can't take that risk

I've never really understood this, because I have asked guys (and women) out and been turned down, which is frankly pretty loving humiliating for a woman, and I didn't go to "well I guess I've got some raping to do"

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Jul 19, 2009




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lorn Wayne posted:

*launches into 3 hour diatribe about the friend zone*

Interestingly, this term has gotten a fair amount of traction among women I know lately, way more than among the men I know. Don't know why.

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Jul 19, 2009




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RobattoJesus posted:

To be fair in tyool 2016 you're probably going to be expected to put so much stuff up your rear end in the bedroom that rejection is actually less embarrassing than if they say yes and you end up in ER with a 1/12 size power ranger in both holes.

this is sort of true, I blame the debauchery treadmill

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Jul 19, 2009




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st1LL_51ngl3 posted:

Is it because the term perfectly encapsulates how you string along your intelligent, respectful male friends while secretly loving all of the attractive jerks behind our backs even though we'd treat you so much better than they would if you'd just give us a chance but no, you won't do that because modern women are too stupid and shortsighted to even have their own best interests in mind? Is that why, Pick?

Nah I mean like women complaining that dudes friendzoned them. Sort of the shorthand for "he believes in 'don't stick your dick in crazy' and he thinks I'm crazy, but not so crazy he doesn't want to observe my personal showshow carnival'"

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Jul 19, 2009




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RobattoJesus posted:

I've never used that one. After the sex swings I just kinda said no to anything in the bedroom larger than a snorkel.

it's a Legitimate Concern among women I know that he's going to whip out the old "what if we--" and it's going to be something he saw in internet porn and it's going to be a bad time. It's going to turn out he saw some sort of enema videos or whatever and you're going to have to sit around making butt stew while folding laundry, and in the meantime he saw that finnish crusher video with the doll or whatever and gently suggests that while you squirt brown water out of your Gulf Coast starfish that you might also do the splits and sing "Barbie Girl" and you're like je-sus christ what a loving hassle

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Jul 19, 2009




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Tumble posted:

I get kinda sad when people (women as well, but let's face it, there really is a lot more bitter angry guys than bitter angry women) just give in to their negative, angry emotions when it comes to dating. It really fucks people up, and the whole echo chamber aspect of internet subcultures makes it waaaay worse than it needs to be. Most of these people would be much better off with a bit of therapy.

Yeah pretty much. But to be honest, I think that men have a bigger problem with it than women mostly because male friendships are fairweather as gently caress. Or they're something that's like the opposite of fairweather, maybe I'd call it like pitchfriends where they keep each other bitter and angry and feeling like failures so that their friends don't realize their lives could be better than that, because if their lives improved, they'd LEAVE!!

A good friend wants what's best for you, even if it might be to the detriment of your specific friendship.

Actually, I think a lot of men have in essence abusive relationships with one another (just non-sexually). Like, they're afraid that their friends getting GFs and whatever will rip them away, so they subtly tear down their friends or ruin their self-esteem so that they'll stay.

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Jul 19, 2009




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RobattoJesus posted:

If they do this, just say you've always wanted to see a dude choke himself with a belt in wardrobe to the point of unconsciousness while jerking off and then go home and watch Netflix or something.

my fetish is getting my genitalia stimulated and i'm not even that fussy about how it's done so when this one girl i dated (an Ashley, do not, and i repeat, do NOT date ashleys) wanted to pierce my ears, in bed, in a sexual way, i was like, woah, that's a novel place to get an infection while loving someone. but also please do not do that, that sounds like a Bad Time

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




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Guys sabotage one another all the time, I have been the woman in the relationship they anti-wingman'd.

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Jul 19, 2009




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Moon Atari posted:

I think men have a bigger problem with it because men are more likely to experience complete rejection. As a woman you might be rejected by a man you want, or even have to lower your standards, but with the knowledge that there will always be men out there who want you as you are, even if they are men you don't want.

I know many women who have never believed they were desired by literally anyone and would fall head-over-heels for anyone who showed the slightest interest. They are not pretty though.

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Jul 19, 2009




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Generally I think the world is too hard on "nice guys", like you're right, you don't deserve sex because you're "nice", but the correct response isn't "so gently caress off and die" it's, "you probably need therapy and to learn to respect yourself as you are."

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Jul 19, 2009




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Irom posted:

i should really go easy on the sarcasm around here huh

mine was also to be read in a joking manner dawg

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Jul 19, 2009




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PallasAthene posted:

One of my "best friends" in college was this guy who swore that he didn't want any kind of relationship with me. For years. He made it so clear when we first met, so I believed him. We would go to the gym every day and we'd go to minigolf or the movies or out to Applebee's or some such place at least every other week. He was also huge into going to places for poetry readings and coffee shops. He was so adamant about not wanting a girlfriend but not fitting in with guys, and after a couple years he told me how he'd never been attracted to girls and had never gotten an erection over a girl. By then we were really close and I assumed this was sort of a clumsy trial run for coming out (this was the early 2000's in the South), because he used to always love to help one of my friends with braiding and styling her really long hair, and he used to always suggest things like calling a bunch of girls over to watch romantic comedies, and whenever a girl from my social circle had a relationship end, he would always want to have everyone get together and drink wine and make fun of the offending ex.

There was no real big dramatic ending except one day a year or so after we graduated my brother told me he ran into Tyler in a bar downtown. He said that he recognized him from my Facebook and he introduced himself, and Tyler blew up right away and said "Dude your sister is so loving stuck up! I tried to gently caress her for FOUR YEARS and she never put out."

Yeah, men assume women are psychic and vindictive. Half the time I don't know someone had a crush on me until years later, when someone else informs me. And it's always like, what?? No one told me this when it would have been helpful.

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Jul 19, 2009




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Moon Atari posted:

I knew expressing anything but unambiguous scorn for dudes bitter about being unable to get laid was risky, but I didn't think that saying more men than women can't pick up to save their life would be controversial.

I am telling you I know these women. My current workplace is actually absolutely full of them. They're alone and they always have been. No one has ever even tried to love them. They find solace in community work but they go home and the place is empty. I'm trying to set my phone down more often and instead of check it on break, try to have a convo with some of them but the work is depressing so it's hard. Easier to discretely re-feed my phone cats in neko atsume and pretend everything is fine

Pick fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jul 25, 2016

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Jul 19, 2009




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Moridin920 posted:

I guess people who are legit disfigured or super ugly might have a pass on that (but even then bro it's not impossible) but generally the people I see whining are some average looking white people who absolutely could get laid if they loosened up a bit

If women minded disfigurement that much, the inheritable ones wouldn't exist. My grandfather looked like someone stretch armstrong'd loving doug jones and his wife (my grandmother) still married him and they were together until he died in his 40s.

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Jul 19, 2009




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Funky See Funky Do posted:

Most of the people I know are really nice and I enjoy spending time with them.

same

my schedule is absurd (one reason i don't care that much if i sprinkle posts on sa all the time is it's like 30 sec here and there throughout an entire day of trying to be productive while completely exhausted, it's the equivalent of getting up to take a whizz) but i still always make whatever time i can for the people i love

it is hard

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




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Some women do also totally suck garbage, I dated at least one of them. She did cocaine, but not in a fun way.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




Nap Ghost

Super cute guy was just flirting with me while I ate crappy garbage food and looked like a dead-eyed troll

Hazel eyes and dark hair

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




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he seemed nice

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




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twofive1 posted:

Food cart, Pick?

it's portland so it's ok

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Jul 19, 2009




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a hole-y ghost posted:

Don't fall for it pick! that's how the rest of us goons got chained to a diet of garbage food

pad thai isn't that bad every oooonce in a while and i'm trying to gain a bit of weight so it's fine

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Jul 19, 2009




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a hole-y ghost posted:

one day a cute boy is showing his approval for you eating noodles... the next thing you know y ou're guzzling ranch by the gallon

i've never heard it called "ranch"

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




Nap Ghost

Assuming that most people are heterosexual and monogamous, there's an approximately equal number of single men and single women. In my social circle, however, there are a lot more single men, because a lot of the women have gone for partnerships (many of which aren't and never were sexual) because men have treated them so badly, basically exempting themselves.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




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tbf grey hair is really really hot

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Jul 19, 2009




Nap Ghost

An important distinction is that the "bottom of the barrel" for men, by man standards, is a really ugly woman. A "bottom of the barrel" for women, by woman standards, is someone who will try to kill us if we leave

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




Nap Ghost

Ha ha it's awesome to bring up violence against women and then have the "what about men!!!" crowd jump out, and then I can remember why I normally don't feel that bad for men in the first place.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




Nap Ghost

Sorry but it's true. When men think of "Oh god, I don't want to die alone, I might have to ..." they imagine that ugly girl who hangs around them and is desperate for attention. When women think, "Oh god, I don't want to die alone, I might have to..." it's the dude who collects swords and has a file folder called "guro"

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Jul 19, 2009




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MY PALE GOTH SKIN posted:

I'm sure some of the manipulative poo poo works. Probably a distressing amount. Especially with younger women. A lot of people assume that the way their first long-term relationship went is normal, and then are hell of surprised later. Not just regarding manipulation, but basically all human behavior and interaction.

People need to learn that their first long-term relationship was probably poo poo. Young adults do cruel things, they really hurt each other (and often regret it later).

I don't mind people trying pick-ups or asking me out, but there's a really manipulative angle that some of the approaches use, and many of the people who try it don't seem to understand the difference. Basically, if your approach "traps" a person there, e.g. by leaning on common courtesy/good manners, it's lovely. "Hey babe, you are hot, want to go somewhere and have sex with me?" is not manipulative. It's forward, and I might say no, but I'm not offended. "I've had the worst day of my life, and if a beautiful woman like you doesn't talk to me, I'll kill myself," is manipulative as hell.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009




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i trained my cat to roll over so i can put a lil treat on his fluffy tum tum

he's not here with me right now though, so lonely

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Jul 19, 2009




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lonesomedwarf posted:

imagine if you... *glances at the door* gosh i just cant stop thinking about... i mean what if you couldnt see the cat again and... *points to the door* im just saying what if you could never pat your cat again and you never heard your cat pur again and... oh whats that over there? *gestures wildly and repeatedly at the door* it would be really sad if *suddenly runs and dives headfirst at the door*

*points to pussy*

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Jul 19, 2009




Nap Ghost

I know it's cliche, but generally speaking women just like communication. Did you accidentally murder your baby brother when you were a baby? Hey, man, tell us that, don't just start inexplicably howling like a pig whenever you pass by the baby wares isle. Did you watch your best friend drown in a completely avoidable puddle? Okay, we won't go for walks when it rains. Did you lose your penis in a wacky motorcycle escapade? It's okay, there are other avenues to orgasm and I never wanted a motorcycle anyway. Did your mother used to crouch at the foot of your bed with a baseball bat and "if you get morning wood I will loving smack your balls until you cum blood"? That's pretty messed up, ha ha, moms, am I right? We should probably live a state over.

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