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icantfindaname posted:It's not especially fluid though, it means 'Caucasian Christian or Jew'. Caucasian is a requirement, Muslim gets you booted. Subcontinental Indians or East Asians are never going to be considered white no matter how integrated into society they are, for example Jews being white is incredibly contemporary. Whiteness is basically a designation of highest privilege in the American caste.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Jews being white is incredibly contemporary. Whiteness is basically a designation of highest privilege in the American caste. I think we're just talking past each other about race vs ethnicity, I don't think we disagree. But this is a dumb discussion to begin with
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icantfindaname posted:I think we're just talking past each other about race vs ethnicity, I don't think we disagree. But this is a dumb discussion to begin with fair enough
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BigRed0427 posted:One of the things from the right that is odd for me to hear is "We must protect White Culture". It strikes me as odd because even as a white person I have no clue what they are talking about. I can tell that the phrase "White Culture" Is a racist dogwhistle, maybe even a regular whistle, but I keep wondering what they define white culture as. In America at least you can pick out aspects of our culture and see where it originated from but I get the feeling that "White" Might mean not everything that is part of American culture. Here you go. Since white culture is considered the default, value-neutral culture in the United States, and non-whites are encouraged/coerced/forced to assimilate into it, Americans are trained not to notice that it exists, it's just assumed that's the way people live. But it's actually the way white Americans live.
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Jul 27, 2016 02:59
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my son's daycare is going to have a dress your kid up in ethnic garb day and I have no idea what an English descent kid should wear other than a suit
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Jul 27, 2016 03:05
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mastershakeman posted:my son's daycare is going to have a dress your kid up in ethnic garb day and I have no idea what an English descent kid should wear other than a suit A red coat
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Jul 27, 2016 03:06
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mastershakeman posted:my son's daycare is going to have a dress your kid up in ethnic garb day and I have no idea what an English descent kid should wear other than a suit pith helmet and a short, concise essay of apology scotch-taped to his lapel.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t809594/ Beautiful White Lady posted:I agree, I think it is because of national socialism, where the nazis ideology considered slavs as subservient and subhuman. AloneWolf posted:Unfortunately we saw the results of that. mastershakeman posted:my son's daycare is going to have a dress your kid up in ethnic garb day and I have no idea what an English descent kid should wear other than a suit Well being daycare age he already has the teeth down I assume. 
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Jul 27, 2016 03:16
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mastershakeman posted:my son's daycare is going to have a dress your kid up in ethnic garb day and I have no idea what an English descent kid should wear other than a suit An ugly tracksuit and a Burberry cap.
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Jul 27, 2016 03:28
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Fishing. And lots of it.
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Jul 27, 2016 03:32
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mastershakeman posted:my son's daycare is going to have a dress your kid up in ethnic garb day and I have no idea what an English descent kid should wear other than a suit
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Jul 27, 2016 03:33
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BigRed0427 posted:Another question I just realized. Has anyone found examples of weird anti Irish, Italian, some other group of white people that is still discriminated in back woods parts of the US today? No. And they were never oppressed to begin with. Irish, Italians, etc. have always been considered white.
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Also, when I say that whites stole all of their culture, I'm talking about ALL OF IT, not just white American culture. This goes back centuries. The Greeks and Romans stole poo poo from the Egyptians. Philosophy, architecture, technology, everything. All through history. The Renaissance was started by stealing poo poo from Muslims. All those Italian paintings that everyone likes? Stolen. All that music? Stolen.
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Jul 27, 2016 04:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVmFTM4PlmI
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Jul 27, 2016 04:07
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If you smash the living hell out of someone or a group of someones, the laws of combat say you're entitled to all their stuff. So no, not stealing.
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Jul 27, 2016 04:08
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Blue Star posted:No. And they were never oppressed to begin with. Irish, Italians, etc. have always been considered white. There's documented cases of lynchings of italians in the east at least. Oh, you're a dumbass, okay.
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Jul 27, 2016 04:09
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Blue Star posted:Also, when I say that whites stole all of their culture, I'm talking about ALL OF IT, not just white American culture. This goes back centuries. The Greeks and Romans stole poo poo from the Egyptians. Philosophy, architecture, technology, everything. All through history. The Renaissance was started by stealing poo poo from Muslims. All those Italian paintings that everyone likes? Stolen. All that music? Stolen.
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Jul 27, 2016 04:12
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It means about as much as black or Hispanic culture race is bullshit.
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Jul 27, 2016 04:19
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BigRed0427 posted:Another question I just realized. Has anyone found examples of weird anti Irish, Italian, some other group of white people that is still discriminated in back woods parts of the US today? A lot of Southern Baptists have beef with Catholicism which manifests itself in anti-Irish and anti-Italian sentiment.
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Jul 27, 2016 04:56
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Niel fergusson defined white culture as: " the good bits, the stuff i like and want to take credit for." So there you go, op. Godbless.
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Jul 27, 2016 06:30
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icantfindaname posted:This is bullshit that gets repeated everywhere unfortunately. Irish were never considered nonwhite except as a joke. British political culture had very deepseated prejudice against Catholics because it saw them as agents of totalitarianism and absolutism. Scientific racist schemata tended to use language family as a guide to racial classification but even as a different linguistic group than Anglo-Saxons Irish were still considered Caucasian, aka White generally when people say "the irish were not considered white" they are talking about noel ignatiev and not christoph meiners
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All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. - Benjamin Franklin There you have it, in the words of a holy Founder; White Culture is English (and north west German) culture.
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Jul 27, 2016 07:28
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Where is the white culture in all these countries with an extreme majority of white people???
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This is a typical white gathering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24I-2RM0yu4
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Jul 27, 2016 08:32
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Lutefisk, which is why white culture must be destroyed.
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Blue Star posted:Also, when I say that whites stole all of their culture, I'm talking about ALL OF IT, not just white American culture. This goes back centuries. The Greeks and Romans stole poo poo from the Egyptians. Philosophy, architecture, technology, everything. All through history. The Renaissance was started by stealing poo poo from Muslims. All those Italian paintings that everyone likes? Stolen. All that music? Stolen. Meanwhile the Egyptian hive mind sprung from its earthen womb fully formed.
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Blue Star posted:White people don't really have any culture. Everything was stolen from people with actual culture. Music, food, technology, everything. I'm not sure I can call adopting agriculture because you were literally out competed and intermarried with the much more successful agrarian immigrants from the Levant stealing. More like getting your Mesolithic way of live over turned by introduction. Also, Egypt stole barley and einkorn from Southwest Asia, along with several deities and an entire Intermediate Period dynasty. Also, Egypt was not black, or white or anything. It was a multiracial nation by modern standards, and of no concern to the actual Ancient Egyptians. The Egyptian concept of race was based on what language you spoke, how you dressed and what gods you worshiped. Anyone could be Egyptian if you adopted Egyptian culture. It also worked the other way and you could be seen as Not Egyptian, even if you were born in the Nile Delta if you spoke the wrong language and worshiped the wrong gods. It's why the founder of Dynasty 25, Pharaoh Piye, was born the future king of Napata, capital of Kush, but got to be considered Egyptian because he did the right stuff after his conquest. It's also why, despite being born in Lower Egypt, later Egyptian historians saw Apepi of Dynasty 15 as a foreigner, of Hyksos blood and No True Egyptian. KiteAuraan fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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Blue Star posted:Also, when I say that whites stole all of their culture, I'm talking about ALL OF IT, not just white American culture. This goes back centuries. The Greeks and Romans stole poo poo from the Egyptians. Philosophy, architecture, technology, everything. All through history. The Renaissance was started by stealing poo poo from Muslims. All those Italian paintings that everyone likes? Stolen. All that music? Stolen. Were you molested by your Catholic father or something?
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It's putting mayo on french fries, OP.
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Jul 27, 2016 17:07
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White culture is flagelating oneself about how they have no culture so they can feel better about their privilege because hey at least they're not above self deprecation.
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cool thread. I think white culture is whatever was on TV when my parents were young, and also things like christmas and maybe going to the pub. -Mr. Gibbycrumbles, age 12 and a half.
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Jul 27, 2016 18:04
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White culture is self-hating and privilege-checjing
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Saying whites have no culture is like saying men are the default sex. It seems like it doesn't exist because we're submerged in it. Incidentally "white" just means the dominant power group.
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There is really no such thing as "White Culture" except as a code word racists from one country use to take credit for the accomplishments of another country because they're "both white". There are things like "American Culture" or "French Culture" etc. and many cultures share similarities with their neighbors. But all people everywhere are trained from birth to see their own culture as not-existing, they instead see themselves as just acting how humans do and other cultures are wearing funny hats, They do this all without realizing that the culture next door believes that it is they who have the funny hats and that their own hats are just how humans are. A good example of this is the suit and tie. In America that's just what people wear to be fancy, but in Asia that dress style was explicitly foreign and adopted to mimic foreign cultures.
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sarmhan posted:I don't think you know what stolen means, or understand how cultural transference works. When you think about it, isn't all human culture stolen from the Homo sapiens idaltu?
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Jul 27, 2016 18:52
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"White culture" is hard to define because the "white" in it is superfluous.
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This is a dumb question, even by local standards. You knew though, it would bring all the self hatred out of the woodwork. American goons, sitting at a desktop computer running some variant of windows or MacOS, wearing jean shorts and possibly a fedora, sipping from a 96 ounce pepsi, listening to rock and roll, streaming over the internet, delivered over either cellular data or through cable modem, passing time while waiting to go see a movie, stating emphatically that there is no such thing as White Culture, is about the D&Dest montage ever.
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steinrokkan posted:Meanwhile the Egyptian hive mind sprung from its earthen womb fully formed. Correct. All non 'white' cultures were originalist in nature, and have never interacted with any other cultures. All cultural appropriation is a unique (white!) American evil, sort of like how this works; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCcvexAXEjM the punchline is: I started giving quizzes to my juniors and seniors. I gave them a ten-question American history test… just to see where they are. The vast majority of my students - I’m talking nine out of ten, in every single class, for seven consecutive years – they have no idea that slavery existed anywhere in the world before the United States. Moses, Pharaoh, they know none of it. They’re 100% convinced that slavery is a uniquely American invention… How do you give an adequate view of history and culture to kids when that’s what they think of their own country – that America invented slavery? That’s all they know. tldr; evil didn't exist before white americans
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Don't know, but it is growing.
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gobbagool posted:Correct. All non 'white' cultures were originalist in nature, and have never interacted with any other cultures. All cultural appropriation is a unique (white!) American evil, sort of like how this works; Isn't Stefan Molyneux the guy who insists keeping in social contact with anyone who doesn't ascribe to the non-aggression principle is an aggression against him, personally, and also that modern physics is a government conspiracy to steal money from him
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