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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


I think it'd be a pretty funny thing to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0E4hySPj6Y

pretty awesome group justice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upXyofM4ecw

seems like a good way to get shot in the face though

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Beef Turret
Jul 9, 2009

by Lowtax
No but whenever I see someone get probated I imagine the moderator irl making a citizens arrest on a guy with an avatar instead of a face

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpPkclEMdKA

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
i slew someone trying to citizens arrest me during a crime i hoped to profit from

I am Toni Lippi
Aug 16, 2004
I saw this fat piece of poo poo and his step dad wrestle a guy to the ground once and they laid on top of him while waiting for the cops to show up. The whole time the guy they were sitting on kept screaming "I want to see some ID!" Over and over for like 5 minutes. The cops came and arrested the guy and that is the time I saw a citizen's arrest.

Cthulu Carl
Apr 16, 2006

I once saw a Star Citizen arrest.

Dude just clutched his chest and keeled over into his Whopper.

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy

I am Toni Lippi posted:

I saw this fat piece of poo poo and his step dad wrestle a guy to the ground once and they laid on top of him while waiting for the cops to show up. The whole time the guy they were sitting on kept screaming "I want to see some ID!" Over and over for like 5 minutes. The cops came and arrested the guy and that is the time I saw a citizen's arrest.

lmbo

KaiserSchnitzel
Feb 23, 2003

Hey baby I think we Havel lot in common
Otherwise known as "false imprisonment," actionable in tort among civilized peoples.

Snatch Duster
Feb 20, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
yea i was at a macys once in like 2006 and security caught a shop lifter so they escorted her back to their office and waited till the police arrived to arrest her

citizens arrest happen all the time fyi

Rotacixe
Oct 21, 2008
What happens when a sovcit gets arrested by a citizen?

social vegan
Nov 7, 2014



I am Toni Lippi posted:

I saw this fat piece of poo poo and his step dad wrestle a guy to the ground once and they laid on top of him while waiting for the cops to show up. The whole time the guy they were sitting on kept screaming "I want to see some ID!" Over and over for like 5 minutes. The cops came and arrested the guy and that is the time I saw a citizen's arrest.

bam's reboot of jackass sounding gud

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Rotacixe posted:

What happens when a sovcit gets arrested by a citizen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ukak8P2vY

fuck the ROW
Aug 29, 2008

by zen death robot
Usually after setting a series of small fires, yes

Kirk Vikernes
Apr 26, 2004

Count Goatnackh

https://youtu.be/9efgLHgsBmM

social vegan
Nov 7, 2014



Ya we all arrested Donnie for being a fat gently caress and tucking his ham hocks in my personal labelled pudding in the lunch fridge

roymorrison
Jul 26, 2005

Cthulu Carl posted:

I once saw a Star Citizen arrest.

Dude just clutched his chest and keeled over into his Whopper.

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.






Now here is a guy who doesn't know how a bank works and risked his life because of it.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
op, i'm placing you under arrest - for being too funny!

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Mozi posted:

op, i'm placing you under arrest - for being too funny!

I WANT TO SEE SOME ID

Blue Raider
Sep 2, 2006

i knew a guy that passed somebody in the emergency lane once and the dude he passed got so pissed he did a citizens arrest on him. they went to court and poo poo over it too

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Beef Turret posted:

No but whenever I see someone get probated I imagine the moderator irl making a citizens arrest on a guy with an avatar instead of a face

same

plain blue jacket
Jan 13, 2014

IT DOESN'T STOP
IT NEVER STOPS
yes it was pretty cool

Tokelau All Star
Feb 23, 2008

THE TAXES! THE FINGER THING MEANS THE TAXES!

Citizen's arrests happen all the time, most common is store security holding shoplifters until the cops come.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Tokelau All Star posted:

Citizen's arrests happen all the time, most common is store security holding shoplifters until the cops come.

It's funny because I've heard so many times that old chestnut about how store security isn't allowed to impede you from leaving or touch you in any way, all they can do is call the cops and hope you're still in the vicinity when they get there :allears:

Harald
Jul 10, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
no

ScratchAndSniff
Sep 28, 2008

This game stinks
Once I saw a couple white dudes kicking a black guy's rear end in a grocery store parking lot. I asked them what was up and they told me he stole some poo poo.

"Maybe call the real police?" I asked.

"Oh god yes, please." the black guy responded.

Then they all went back to the grocery store to settle it like weenies (i.e. by calling the police).

Does that count?

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


ScratchAndSniff posted:

Once I saw a couple white dudes kicking a black guy's rear end in a grocery store parking lot. I asked them what was up and they told me he stole some poo poo.

"Maybe call the real police?" I asked.

"Oh god yes, please." the black guy responded.

Then they all went back to the grocery store to settle it like weenies (i.e. by calling the police).

Does that count?

Probably, but also congrats on possibly averting a hate crime too

Minimum Syntaxing
Oct 29, 2008

He looks white, but he's the son of a black man!
One time when I was a kid at school, some smaller kid insulted me in some way (maybe called me fat or something) so I grabbed his arm and drug him to one of the campus supervisors and told her about it
So yeah I made a citizen's arrest

PallasAthene
Dec 6, 2010

Why, vixen, have you again set the gods by the ears in the pride and haughtiness of your heart?
I once saw a guy sprinting down the street with a huge purse and behind him was a cop yelling for him to stop and some guy walking down the street stuck his leg out, tripped the guy with the purse, and kicked him a few times while he was down until the cop caught up, put his hands on the guy's shoulders and said between huff and puffs "Thanks, good job, I got it from here," and then handcuffed the guy. It would have been funnier if the cop had said "I got it from here" and kicked the guy a few more times.

I guess it wasn't a citizen's arrest, but maybe it was citizen brutality?

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.
I watched a Rentacop arrest a drunk guy in a hospital. His crime was being drunk, then going to the hospital.

criscodisco
Feb 18, 2004

do it
My high school had a special ed department and they would let the retarded kids stand in the hallways between the regular classes. This one retard would always shout "citizens arrest" and try to grab the pretty girls whenever they walked by. I don't know if he ever got one but I always hoped for him.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMCO79R-4mM

El Duderino
Mar 28, 2003

If you're not into that whole brevity thing..

criscodisco posted:

My high school had a special ed department and they would let the retarded kids stand in the hallways between the regular classes. This one retard would always shout "citizens arrest" and try to grab the pretty girls whenever they walked by. I don't know if he ever got one but I always hoped for him.

drat that's a good strategy, going to have to give that a go...

Dave_Indeed
Feb 22, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Haha.

They usually just tell you they'll get the judge for you and that's it.

Also, regarding her argument:

quote:

It appears to be a belief based on a misunderstanding of what the Articles of Confederation says, combined with other selective readings of the law.

The Articles of Confederation says this:

“Article IV. The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different States in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these States, paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States; and the people of each State shall have free ingress and regress to and from any other State, and shall enjoy therein all the privileges of trade and commerce, subject to the same duties, impositions, and restrictions as the inhabitants thereof respectively…”
— Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)

Let’s break this down a bit.

Was the Articles of Confederation actually Repealed?

Actually, no, it was never repealed and is still the law. However, anything in the U.S. Constitution that conflicts with the Articles of Confederation would result in whatever the U.S. Constitution says taking precedence.

This is suggested by the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in the 1869 Texas v. White case, which stated that since the Articles stated "Perpetual Union", and the Constitution states "More perfect Union", the perpetuity of the union remains in effect, since the Articles were never actually repealed.

Anything in the Articles of Confederation that does not conflict with the U.S. Constiution is still legally in effect.

Privileges & Immunities

If you read this closely, in context with the rest of the Articles of Confederation, you will find that what it actually says is that states must treat “free inhabitants” from another states the same way they treat “free inhabitants” of their state.

This is similar to how the U.S. Constitution says “The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states” in Article IV, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution.

It even goes onto say “subject to the same duties, impositions, and restrictions as the inhabitants thereof respectively.”

It does not mean states cannot pass laws regulating citizens. What it means is that a state can’t have different laws for citizens and non-citizens. And it indirectly says that states can impose duties, impositions and restrictions on free inhabitants.

It should also be noted that “free inhabitant” was basically a way of saying “white landowners” and “freedmen.” Slaves, indentured servants, paupers (people getting state assistance), vagabonds (the homeless and nomads), and convicted criminals did not have the same rights as “free inhabitants.”

Free Ingress and Regress

You will note that it specifically says “to and from any other State” after “the people of each State shall have free ingress and regress.”

What this means is that states are required to have open borders with other states. They can’t ban imports from another state, and they can’t require people from other states to have a visa to enter.

Notice it says nothing about the state regulating travel within their own state. It just says that free inhabitants are to be “subject to the same duties, impositions, and restrictions as the inhabitants thereof respectively.”

So as long as a state requires its own citizens to have a drivers license, it can require people from other states to have a drivers license.

Selective Reading Doesn’t Make It Law

Legal scholars and the courts don’t accept the arguments made in this video, and the few people who try to use this argument don’t get far.

Dave_Indeed fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jul 29, 2016

Isaac
Aug 3, 2006

Fun Shoe
Heaps of times

plain blue jacket
Jan 13, 2014

IT DOESN'T STOP
IT NEVER STOPS
Also any private security holding someone is a citizens arrest

Gay Weed Dad
Jul 12, 2016

cool dude, flyin' high

drunk asian neighbor posted:

It's funny because I've heard so many times that old chestnut about how store security isn't allowed to impede you from leaving or touch you in any way, all they can do is call the cops and hope you're still in the vicinity when they get there :allears:

This varies pretty wildly based on the establishment. When I worked retail (Circuit City and Staples) they were both pretty adamant that you don't physically restrain anyone because it wasn't worth putting yourself at risk for the sake of the merchandise. I was incredibly surprised the first few times I saw Walmart LP in action as they act no different than the police most times.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Gay Weed Dad posted:

This varies pretty wildly based on the establishment. When I worked retail (Circuit City and Staples) they were both pretty adamant that you don't physically restrain anyone because it wasn't worth putting yourself at risk for the sake of the merchandise. I was incredibly surprised the first few times I saw Walmart LP in action as they act no different than the police most times.

Yeah, I mean my retail jobs had the same stance, but while the stated reason was "it's not worth our valued employees risking their safety for merch," and the actual reason was "it's not worth the potential litigation if an employee gets knifed trying to stop a theft", the only people I've ever heard claim "LP/employees won't touch you because it's technically assault" have been the people doing the stealing.

Gay Weed Dad
Jul 12, 2016

cool dude, flyin' high

drunk asian neighbor posted:

Yeah, I mean my retail jobs had the same stance, but while the stated reason was "it's not worth our valued employees risking their safety for merch," and the actual reason was "it's not worth the potential litigation if an employee gets knifed trying to stop a theft", the only people I've ever heard claim "LP/employees won't touch you because it's technically assault" have been the people doing the stealing.

I'm sure you're right with regard to insurance reasons, when I was supervising it really came down to me not expecting these guys (most of them still in their teens) to fight with a crackhead in the parking lot over $80 worth of toner.

On a hilariously opposite end of the spectrum checkout this Walmart LP team!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdcYEQ3WiF0

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Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


Gay Weed Dad posted:

I'm sure you're right with regard to insurance reasons, when I was supervising it really came down to me not expecting these guys (most of them still in their teens) to fight with a crackhead in the parking lot over $80 worth of toner.

On a hilariously opposite end of the spectrum checkout this Walmart LP team!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdcYEQ3WiF0

I agree with you, the reasons will vary from store to store, but the idea that any individual, be it wage slave, LP or random customer, is legally prevented from tackling a shoplifter to the ground is silly as hell, and like I said is almost always something you hear from a habitual thief/shoplifter. It makes it all the more funny when you actually do see poo poo go down and the shoplifter is screaming about suing for assault or asking for a badge or whatever.

When I worked retail I must have had half a dozen or so people arrested for shoplifting. My store was located across from a strip mall that had an actual cop patrolling almost constantly, so police assistance was never more than 30 seconds away. TBH some of the things I did to those shoplifters to gently caress with them were way more satisfying than physically accosting them. The phrase "you know there's a camera literally right above you, right?" was used more than once, and the reactions were always hilarious.

Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jul 29, 2016

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