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i think both interpretations are pretty interesting you can see it as like a metaphor for the white mans burden and slavery in that kong though mistreated is taken from his savage and literally backwards biologically land and given an opportunity to be maintained by and participate in a "civilized" society in an admittedly demeaning role but his nature leads him to rebel and te tragedy of the story is that his inability to trade freedom for stability and "purpose" leads to suffering for everyone or you can see it as a metaphor for colonialism where the oppression of the people or theft of the products of one culture for the enrichment of another leads inevitably to violence and instability and the tragedy of the story is the way short term motivation of greed causes suffering to everyone though this interpretation has the non colonial culture represented by an ape which is p hosed up anyway my point is this piece of american mythology probably isnt very relevant in 2016 much less 2017 so this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAbI4w95cTE should really have been rethought discuss
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I'm gonna go with antithesis OP
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Aug 1, 2016 09:14
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man sees movie about a giant monkey, creates fictitious allegory about black people in his mind, wonders if its racist
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Aug 1, 2016 09:18
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A ILL BREAKFAST posted:man sees movie about a giant monkey, creates fictitious allegory about black people in his mind, wonders if its racist or anti-racist ftfy
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Aug 1, 2016 09:24
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most black people aren't smart enough to climb to the highest point in NYC and demand freedom op (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 1, 2016 09:51
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As a progressive, whenever i see a monster movie about a big-rear end monkey, it makes me think of black ppl. Then i write lots of thinkpieces about how racists are monsters who are terrified of black ppl and i ask twitter to ban them. I hope that answers your question, OP.
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Aug 1, 2016 10:09
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Why would a movie about a monkey be racist OP?
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Aug 1, 2016 10:29
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Can't it be a movie about how greed is dumb?
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yeas thats oene of the options i presented seems pretty hard to separate your interpretatin from a historical context here but id like someone to trySLICK GOKU BABY posted:Why would a movie about a monkey be racist OP? well in this context a monkey would be super racist but king kong is an ape which is bad but still leaves a little wiggle room at least i assume he is given his supernatural size he may fall into another common classification form i guess BIG PUFFY NIPS fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Aug 1, 2016 |
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Aug 1, 2016 10:33
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i think it depends on whether king kong represents africa or not
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Aug 1, 2016 10:39
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Sonofsilversign posted:yeas thats oene of the options i presented seems pretty hard to separate your interpretatin from a historical context here but id like someone to try Wow so now you're being racist against primates. "A monkey isn't good enough to be King Kong."
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Aug 1, 2016 10:40
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Sonofsilversign posted:yeas thats oene of the options i presented seems pretty hard to separate your interpretatin from a historical context here but id like someone to try "If you find a gigantic monkey can crush whole villages beneath its feet, taking it to a major city at all is dumb, and taking it to a major city, for money, is the act of a retard" However, it appears the 2017 film is probably about environmentalism, as is subtly conveyed by having people use flamethrowers and drop napalm all over the untamed wilderness for about half the trailer.
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Aug 1, 2016 10:45
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i mean it's indisputable that black dudes look a little like big ole gorillas but what about all the rich white chicks who look like dogs??? 
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Aug 1, 2016 10:46
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jBrereton posted:Okay. hmm simplistic no reference to current popular political issues looks like someone didnt get 6 figures in debt studying film keep in mind that the only memorable line from the original film is "twas beauty killed the beast" which seems to imply that that character at least believes the central tragedy of the film is kongs inability to control his insatiable lust for white women deeply problematic imo
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Aug 1, 2016 11:08
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White women still tend to behave as if and like to think of themselves as Ann Darrow when in the presence of actual minorities so I'm inclined to say that yes it is racist.
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Aug 1, 2016 11:11
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You're overthinking it OP, you big baboon.
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Aug 1, 2016 11:15
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Sometimes a big monkey is just a big monkey
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interpretation is intellectual masturbation im just tryna mutually masturbate with strangers on the internet so that we can all feel gratified ya know
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Aug 1, 2016 11:34
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The way I read it is that King Kong is a big ugly monster who left the safety of his home after being tricked by people smarter than him, and ended up dead. The moral of the story is that if a goon goes out to look for a job when their parents start bitching about it, they're gonna get loving shot. Also, girls find them gross.
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Aug 1, 2016 11:48
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What exactly about King Kong made it so memorable and famous for decades? Can anybody explain this to me?
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Aug 1, 2016 14:25
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notZaar posted:What exactly about King Kong made it so memorable and famous for decades? Can anybody explain this to me? Big monkey
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Aug 1, 2016 14:33
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notZaar posted:What exactly about King Kong made it so memorable and famous for decades? Can anybody explain this to me? The special effects were groundbreaking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYWSOzFMZjg
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Aug 1, 2016 14:37
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In many ways the "Transformers" of the 1930s.
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Aug 1, 2016 14:49
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I think it's about a giant loving gorilla fighting dinosaurs
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Aug 1, 2016 14:49
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OP I see it as Tom Hiddleston is desperate for anybody, ANYBODY to see him as something other than Loki, the movie itself does not matter
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Aug 1, 2016 15:03
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Actually gorillas aren't monkeys, OP.
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Aug 1, 2016 16:12
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They just had a lovely remake a decade ago.
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Aug 2, 2016 01:35
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Jeff Sichoe posted:i mean it's indisputable that black dudes look a little like big ole gorillas "b-but rich white chicks look like [random animal]" Half of the "black guys look like monkeys" joke is that they supposedly didn't evolve like everyone else did. The joke is that they're at a lower evolutionary state and, thus, less smart or something. This is the most half-assed attempt at damage control I've ever seen. It's really obvious that you buy into the whole race stigma embedded in "blacks look like monkeys" joke at the point that you think you've found some polar identity on the complete opposite end of the spectrum in "rich white girls". Also, at OP: King Kong is peculiar insofar as it represents a very metaphysically empty slate for anyone to project their own fears, stereotypes and beliefs about race and the human condition as it relates to "non-human" identities. Several studies which examine this phenomenon have been done on not only this film, but Planet of the Apes and, when abandoning earthly fauna, Enemy Mine as well. As for my own opinion, it could be racist, but any definitive answer is founded on the assumption that I can somehow perfectly read the mind of film's writers and directors, which is categorically false. People often wish to find racism, people often wish to not find it; due to this, it's difficult to properly diagnose racial prejudice in any form of media lest one lights the torch against a well-meaning director or, conversely, dismisses genuine claims against an ignorant one. also, what the gently caress is "anti-racist"
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Aug 2, 2016 18:58
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imo it's racist to think that the giant gorilla is a stand in for black people but that's just me haha
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Aug 2, 2016 19:00
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I always thought donkey kong was based on bestiality and a Nintendo exec's trip to Tijuana back in the 70's edit: I really like donkey kong give me more reasons to talk about doankey kong
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Aug 2, 2016 19:01
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They should make King Kong be King of the Planet of the Apes. That would be cool.
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Why aren't there other King Kongs??? I know there was in that 80s King Kong, but seems like their population would be unsustainable if there's just one of them. And King Kong must have been incredibly inbred by the time of the movie. So another valid question is just how retarded and deformed was King Kong? I suspect the Kong's would be like that inbred family on that one X-Files episode by this point.
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Aug 2, 2016 19:03
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as a leader of the black community* i have to say the king kong reboot is so-so * - the jack black community
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im not really a member of the jack black community but have culturally appropriated tenacious d
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hail satan HAIL SATAN
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The film is kind of racist, (metaphorical status of the ape aside, it literally depicts an island of stereotyped jungle savages) which is what makes it interesting and worth watching. It pushes some pretty uncomfortable buttons still latent in our national psyche. The Peter Jackson remake is utterly awful though.
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Kuato posted:Why aren't there other King Kongs??? I know there was in that 80s King Kong, but seems like their population would be unsustainable if there's just one of them. And King Kong must have been incredibly inbred by the time of the movie. the Kongs are like a Full House-esque family. they never die and they never change.
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FoxStrats posted:also, what the gently caress is "anti-racist" King Kong is definitely supposed to be a black dude, but they made him real big so its not racist, in fact its so not racist its anti racist
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Aug 2, 2016 19:08
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i ran your question through a supercomputer and it spat out a little piece of paper that said "i'm gay" 
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Cosmic Charlie posted:King Kong is definitely supposed to be a black dude, but they made him real big so its not racist, in fact its so not racist its anti racist Recipe for post-racial society: XL apes (looooooots of em)
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