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Zorak of Michigan posted:I thought that way until someone pointed out that gyroscopic forces would make such a ship almost completely unmaneuverable. I wish they'd had extra CGI capacity to show them spinning down for combat. I actually find it funnier as is. Like, humans did this feat of engineering but when they go into combat the reaction is "gently caress it, laser go brrrrrrr"
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Yeah the spinning section should be split in half and counter-rotating or turn off for combat at least, but gently caress it, rule of cool wins. It's a great design.
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Jun 2, 2020 19:09
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CainFortea posted:"gently caress it, laser go brrrrrrr" Which is why I also have a soft spot for the Novas which can best be summed up as "strap as many giant fuckoff lasers to a brick as we can". I mean in general I love almost all the starship designs in B5 and think they all tell a story about the perspective and status of the race that built them. e: I'm fighting the urge to do my breakdown of all the major powers ship designs and how they contribute to telling the story of their builder races while stuck in these zoom meetings. Soylent Pudding fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jun 2, 2020 |
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Jun 2, 2020 19:09
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Anyone know where I can get the series in Canada? I've been wanting to rewatch it.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Anyone know where I can get the series in Canada? I've been wanting to rewatch it. The only options I know of is either ordering the dvds, or spending 150 dollars to buy the digital version fron the play store.
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Soylent Pudding posted:e: I'm fighting the urge to do my breakdown of all the major powers ship designs and how they contribute to telling the story of their builder races while stuck in these zoom meetings. There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams, that stems from you not writing that loving post goddam.
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Dr. Stab posted:The only options I know of is either ordering the dvds, or spending 150 dollars to buy the digital version fron the play store. gently caress.
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Jun 2, 2020 20:19
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Soylent Pudding posted:Which is why I also have a soft spot for the Novas which can best be summed up as "strap as many giant fuckoff lasers to a brick as we can". Why are you fighting it?
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Jun 2, 2020 20:27
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The avalanche has already begun, it is too late for pebbles to vote.
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Jun 2, 2020 20:33
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Mostly because I hate phone posting but I'll try and effort post after making dinner.
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Hello thread! I was told I should post here after I let the PS4 thread know I had just started to watch this show. My knowledge going in on what it was about is prsctically zero. I knew it was about a space station with a lot of varied people living on it and that is about it. I knew that it was extremely lauded and had been meaning to watch for absolute years. Well with the situation the world is finding itself in, I bought season one on itunes a few weeks ago and until today had watched The Gathering and Midnight on the Firing Line. Today I have just watched Soul Hunter, Born to Purple and just this moment finished Infection. There is another thread in the Sci-fi Wi-fi called Babylon 5 Blind watching where I posted a few thoughts and at the risk of doubling up I would like to share them here too as it is safe to say I am invested in the show. VideoGames posted:1-2 finished! VideoGames posted:1-3 Born to the Purple And now for what I think about 1-4 Infection The episode felt pretty standardvto me for most of it (alien tech going awry due to capitalist greed) but despite this, the way Babylon 5 has approached it feels fresh which I suspect is due to the strength of the writing for the characters. It was the last few minutes, however, where it really shone. When Sinclair was fighting the man weapon, everything he was saying was mesmerising. Michael o'Hare was an acting powerhouse in that scene and even though he was the main star I was still on the edge of my seat. Plus I thought it strange how yet again he was going up against an enemy despite being the guy in charge 'surely there are other departments for that.' It was then the moment with Garibaldi that put a beautiful capstone on it. Him actually voicing my thoughts and the writing being so real as to not really have a proper resolution to what Garibaldi said. That we as the audience knew he was acting against himself but having a friend bring it to light is not the kind of thing that just fixes it. Then Sinclairs final words about what we would lose if we did not reach the stars. Honestly, that retroactively lifted the whole episode for me and if the show is made up of these moments as I am lead to believe, then I am surely in for an incredible treat!
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VideoGames posted:Hello thread! I was told I should post here after I let the PS4 thread know I had just started to watch this show. My knowledge going in on what it was about is prsctically zero. I knew it was about a space station with a lot of varied people living on it and that is about it. I knew that it was extremely lauded and had been meaning to watch for absolute years. I think we're all monitoring (and loving) that thread and I recommend that you stay out of this one until you've finished your watch. You do NOT want to get a stray spoiler for this show, it'll ruin the experience you're going to have!
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Agreed. A signal flare went up and we flocked to Sci-fi wi-fi like ravenous wolves. Understand that nothing excites a B5 fan like seing in real time the reactions of someone watching the show for the first time. So please, for your sake and ours, stay in the sfi fi thread. None of us want to inadvertently spoil anything
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Jun 2, 2020 20:59
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And we will be waiting here for you.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:01
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Thank you! I will  this will be my last post here for a while! I now have a notebook taking notes and already written a bit about Parliament of Dreams! Till later my friends!
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Jun 2, 2020 21:07
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God this is loving great. That thread is like Christmas AND Easter all rolled into one.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:09
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Zorak of Michigan posted:I thought that way until someone pointed out that gyroscopic forces would make such a ship almost completely unmaneuverable. I wish they'd had extra CGI capacity to show them spinning down for combat. The original plan was for the Omega's engines to be mounted on massive gimbals to counteract the gyroscopic forces, but it was too expensive/time-consuming to actually do.
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TraderStav posted:God this is loving great. That thread is like Christmas AND Easter all rolled into one. *in extreme Londo voice* Oh we're all in for a treat, yes
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah the spinning section should be split in half and counter-rotating or turn off for combat at least, but gently caress it, rule of cool wins. It's a great design. That wouldn't help with the gyroscopic stabilization problem that a spinning section would create. Even if they're counter rotating, that means trying to yaw or pitch the craft would have to fight the gyroscopic force. Also, VideoGames is a precious potato and needs to be protected. He went into the Eve thread, a place full of bitter jaded terminally online people and just had fun mining and encouraged others to have fun chilling in space.
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Jun 2, 2020 21:24
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TraderStav posted:And we will be waiting here for you. We have always been here. CainFortea posted:That wouldn't help with the gyroscopic stabilization problem that a spinning section would create. Even if they're counter rotating, that means trying to yaw or pitch the craft would have to fight the gyroscopic force. Couldn't you alter the spin speed of one section or the other to produce a force for maneuvering? I mean the real answer is you wouldn't spin under thrust because the thrust is creating gravity, the spinning section needs to fold back like the Argo in Battletech, but given what we're working with in B5.
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Grand Fromage posted:We have always been here. Fold back? How do you mean? If it folds in it's going to move faster.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Fold back? How do you mean? If it folds in it's going to move faster.  The Argo has three habitat modules. When the ship isn't under thrust, those spin and the floors are facing outward. When the ship goes under thrust, the modules fold back so the floors are facing toward the engine, and the thrust gravity takes over for the spin gravity. E: The thrust configuration. It's a neat design. 
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Jun 2, 2020 21:34
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Grand Fromage posted:We have always been here. That wouldn't help with yaw or pitch. You could use it to rotate, but then when you wanted to stop rotating you'd have to apply the other force anyway. If you had counter rotating hab units it would still be more efficient to just use thrusters since your roll axis would be energy neutral from the start.
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Grand Fromage posted:
It would be tricky to do this seamlessly, you'd have to be actively, aggressively reducing spin while you're doing this, because the tendency when folding in would be for the whole thing to spin faster.
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It's been a very long time since I studied any physics, but IIRC, while counter-rotating sections would neutralize the torque on the rest of the ship, they wouldn't help with maneuverability otherwise. Any rotating object resists torque perpendicular to its axis of rotation. Again, going from memory, the resistance is proportional in some way to both the speed and mass of the rotating objects, but I don't remember the name for all this science or the nature of the equations. Any rotating section would therefore make it hard to pitch or yaw the ship, even if they were counter-rotating. Counter-rotation would make it easier to spin them up or down.
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VideoGames posted:Thank you! I will Hey VG welcome and see you soon! Didn’t mean to recommend you a thread and then have you take a hiatus from it. 
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VideoGames posted:Thank you! I will When it is time, come to this place. Call our name. We will be here.
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I'm prepping for my effort post by deep diving into much the published material of B5 ship design. As a teaser, we were both half right earlier. Production of the Omega class began during the Earth-Minbari war but none were completed before the battle of the line. Also the original design was intended to have a gimballed engine section which would orient to counteract the torque of the rotating section. But they ran out of time building the model so they just slapped so engines on the back and called it a day.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:When it is time, come to this place. Call our name. We will be here.  This gives me chills.
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I think I'm going to have to unfavorite the other thread cause the temptation to talk about stuff is very great.
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CainFortea posted:I think I'm going to have to unfavorite the other thread cause the temptation to talk about stuff is very great. I know what you mean. That's why I've just been lurking over there. Still, it's too fun to watch them go through it to ignore entirely.
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ConfusedUs posted:There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams, that stems from you not writing that loving post goddam. lmao
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CainFortea posted:I think I'm going to have to unfavorite the other thread cause the temptation to talk about stuff is very great. Just reply here, that's what I'm planning on doing.
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TraderStav posted:Just reply here, that's what I'm planning on doing. Okay TheAardvark posted:S1E9 This poor poster. Though I do remember really liking Lennier too, especially with him and the motorcycle. I thought that was entertaining. CainFortea fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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Jun 3, 2020 04:00
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I was sorely tempted to post  after that, I admit
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CainFortea posted:Okay Lennier was OK up until he started getting weird about Sheridan and Delenn which was what, mid S4?
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Midjack posted:Lennier was OK up until he started getting weird about Sheridan and Delenn which was what, mid S4? I thought it was more into s5
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CainFortea posted:I thought it was more into s5 Could be, it’s been a long time since I’ve watched B5.
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Midjack posted:Lennier was OK up until he started getting weird about Sheridan and Delenn which was what, mid S4? I think, in retrospect, the point where Lennier starts actually going downhill is that bar scene with Marcus. It's not romantic love as you'd understand it, it's a nobler, purer love. But I understand that she is fated for another. That's when he really started turning into a printer carrying "nice" guy.
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Scifi Wifi also has room for other b5 threads, it is the friendly sci-fi subforum
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