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I always liked the cut away on Z Ha Dum when Sheridan meets Lorien and its just a image of Sheridan floating in a black void with a giant ball of energy with tentacles holding him up.
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Of all of the non-arc episodes I think Convictions is my favorite. Londo being annoying in Medlab is very funny but Londo and G'kar being stuck in the elevator is the funniest stuff in the show's run. It's an obvious set up for two enemies working together but no, G'Kar realizes this is his chance to see Londo die. The little voice he uses to say "I hear you" as Londo is calling for help kills me.
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MassRafTer posted:Of all of the non-arc episodes I think Convictions is my favorite. Londo being annoying in Medlab is very funny but Londo and G'kar being stuck in the elevator is the funniest stuff in the show's run. It's an obvious set up for two enemies working together but no, G'Kar realizes this is his chance to see Londo die. The little voice he uses to say "I hear you" as Londo is calling for help kills me. I also love the callback to G'Kar's fishies-in-the-sea song.
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MassRafTer posted:Of all of the non-arc episodes I think Convictions is my favorite. Londo being annoying in Medlab is very funny but Londo and G'kar being stuck in the elevator is the funniest stuff in the show's run. It's an obvious set up for two enemies working together but no, G'Kar realizes this is his chance to see Londo die. The little voice he uses to say "I hear you" as Londo is calling for help kills me. We're in here!
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FFA is really hung up on Knives as being meaningful. It’s cute.
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Chevy Slyme posted:FFA is really hung up on Knives as being meaningful. Same for thinking Bureau 13 still has some relevance. When did JMS first talk about the whole video game issue and made it clear Bureau 13 wasn’t coming back?
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Zaroff posted:Same for thinking Bureau 13 still has some relevance. Not sure of dates but here's what he said: quote:No, the Bureau 13 rpg precedes our show; we weren't aware of it at the time we did the episode.
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Dec 8, 2025 17:53
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I'm pretty sure that was on the guide page by the time I started watching in late season 2.
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I do like imagining where the untrod paths of B5 would've led, but there's not much space in the show to shove an uncut subplot into if you're not totally restructuring the plot. Where would further Bureau 13 developments go? I guess they'd play a part in capturing and interrogating Sheridan, maybe cut into Bester's plot to have more evil stuff about Earthgov? Supplement Nightwatch with some funky stuff? Maybe they'd need Talia to come back so that she could have more personal investment.
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Dec 8, 2025 19:50
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IIRC Bureau 13 was originally going to be the ones controlling Talia Winters. With Netflix buying Warner Bothers I've seen speculation that a reboot might be possible, but with Netflix's habit of doing 2 seasons of a show I'm not sure I'd be optimistic about that.
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It'd be funny if JMS gets a greenlight on a 5 year plan, Netflix agrees knowing that they're only going to let 3 get published, and JMS secretly only ever planned on 3 seasons because everyone knows Netflix is poo poo on followthrough.
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Dec 8, 2025 20:49
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3 seasons of 40 episodes each ought to do it.
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IIRC, more recently the writer behind the Bureau 13 stuff (DiTillio?) has said it was dropped more because JMS and him had a dispute where JMS accused him of creating his own mini-universe within B5's universe.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:IIRC, more recently the writer behind the Bureau 13 stuff (DiTillio?) has said it was dropped more because JMS and him had a dispute where JMS accused him of creating his own mini-universe within B5's universe. That fits a little more closely with the vibe I got from the episode tbh. Sheridan: "I collect secrets". No you don't homie, you punch more advanced species right in the dick
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Gyrotica posted:That fits a little more closely with the vibe I got from the episode tbh. Sheridan: "I collect secrets". No you don't homie, you punch more advanced species right in the dick As JMS himself put it: JMS posted:Larry could be fractious, and I think he sometimes resented being brought on by me as a lieutenant. He was talented enough to be a show-runner on his own, and being constantly a second-in-command chafed to the point that he began carving out his own pocket universe in B5. He wanted to show that he could do what I was doing, which for me was never even a question, I just didn't want him doing it when I was trying to tell a story in a straight line in a way that no one had ever done before. But things became increasingly difficult between us, the friendship strained and broke, and we parted ways after season two. DiTillio's account is basically that he was basically ghosted by JMS during Season 2 around the time of Confessions and Lamentations which was, IIRC, supposed to be one of his episodes. I think JMS is kind of right -- DiTillio was basically telling his own stories, B13 et. al -- but he added a lot of texture to the universe.
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Yeah, it's kind of a weird situation. I agree it added some texture and I don't think that in and of itself is bad, but it wasn't super thoughtfully used. Show Sheridan as more than just a meathead, that's great but yeah the "I collect secrets" thing just rings false. I'm sure there's a way it could have been done but oh well I guess.
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neongrey posted:Yeah, it's kind of a weird situation. I agree it added some texture and I don't think that in and of itself is bad, but it wasn't super thoughtfully used. Show Sheridan as more than just a meathead, that's great but yeah the "I collect secrets" thing just rings false. I'm sure there's a way it could have been done but oh well I guess. It was especially funny because the follow up to it was Sheridan believing in the Coventry bombing conspiracy theory.
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Pantaloon Pontiff posted:With Netflix buying Warner Bothers I've seen speculation that a reboot might be possible, but with Netflix's habit of doing 2 seasons of a show I'm not sure I'd be optimistic about that. It wasn't solely his show as such but I'd wonder if Netflix would more remember that JMS was one of the creators of Sense8, a show so expensive that Netflix basically said "okay, no more of that" during their era where money existed on a theoretical level and was functionally limitless
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I think Sheridan as a closet conspiracy enthusiast works - it explains how he got mixed up with General Hague and the anti-Clark faction.
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Angry Salami posted:I think Sheridan as a closet conspiracy enthusiast works - it explains how he got mixed up with General Hague and the anti-Clark faction. Side note on this vein - Sheridan was actually part of a previous EarthGov conspiracy (and so was Franklin!) in trying to make peace with the Minbari on the sidelines. It would be narratively neat if that was where he made some of the contacts that would later develop into the Conspiracy of Light.
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I forgot about the AI chat bot assistant subplot in Ceremonies of Light and Dark. For as much of the show reflects our time a plot about an AI that doesn't really pose a threat to anything but is incredibly annoying resonates the most. Also it is really easy to tell why Earth fared so poorly in the Minbari War when our troops were spending 7 days to kill Minbari.
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The latest great comment from Algeria after the scene where G'kar is tortured almost to death: "One silver lining, maybe: now Vir is convinced as well that Cartagia must die." Oh, I wonder how Vir will interact with Cartagia...
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Pantaloon Pontiff posted:The latest great comment from Algeria after the scene where G'kar is tortured almost to death: "One silver lining, maybe: now Vir is convinced as well that Cartagia must die." Oh, I wonder how Vir will interact with Cartagia... Vir is a nice kid. He and Cartagia wind up having many drinks together! 
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With this weekend's snow storm I ended up watching more B5 than I expected, finishing Season 3 last night. I was going to read in bed but decided to watch the Hour of the Wolf, and got so captivated by Cartagia and Lorien that one episode became three. Hard to believe neither guy got more acting work. Wayne Alexander especially, he was great in every role he had on the show.
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MassRafTer posted:With this weekend's snow storm I ended up watching more B5 than I expected, finishing Season 3 last night. I was going to read in bed but decided to watch the Hour of the Wolf, and got so captivated by Cartagia and Lorien that one episode became three. Hard to believe neither guy got more acting work. Wayne Alexander especially, he was great in every role he had on the show. Cartagia got like… 200 episodes worth of soap opera work over the 80’s and 90’s.
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Don't overlook soaps when you;'re looking someone up on IMDB, they do a massive number of episodes and they're the next best thing to live. Wortham Krimmer also did a lot of commercial work. He retired from acting and is a lawyer.
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IMDB also doesn't list anyone's stage credits (reasonably IMO) so it may downplay the careers of some of the people who had parts on B5.
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Morden did acting for a while and runs a home renovation business now, the idea of "So tell me Pontiff... what do you want? It's an easy enough question, what do you want your new kitchen layout to look like" is pretty amusing to me.
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Pantaloon Pontiff posted:Morden did acting for a while and runs a home renovation business now, the idea of "So tell me Pontiff... what do you want? It's an easy enough question, what do you want your new kitchen layout to look like" is pretty amusing to me. I wonder how many people do the Vir wave while he's up on a ladder. I know I couldn't resist.
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ConfusedUs posted:I wonder how many people do the Vir wave while he's up on a ladder. Powered Descent posted:If I saw him up on a ladder, I wouldn't be able to resist giving him a wave: Nothing new under the Sun, wrote
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Chevy Slyme posted:Cartagia got like… 200 episodes worth of soap opera work over the 80’s and 90’s. That's very good work for the year or two he had it for, but unfortunately not enough to sustain a career. I love the soaps... well Y&R basically and would love to have seen more actors with small B5 parts popping up there. I would have loved those two to just have bigger careers in general because what they do on the show is so good. Now, after having gotten through Into the Fire tonight, I am left thinking about how The Long Night is actually the best episode in the Season 4 run of Shadow War episodes. Bryan Cranston certainly had a great career after this and he adds a lot here, especially when he's asked to make the sacrifice and Sheridan listening to the actual mission audio. I also had never noticed the JMS note that the killing of Cartagia was originally to be written for Londo but as he actually wrote it he switched. quote:Which character has surprised you the most? Just a great episode and I love ending with the Tennyson poem Sinclair had left behind. Into the Fire is great, but it doesn't push some of the emotional buttons The Long Night does. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Dec 16, 2025 |
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So I just watched the episode of Crusade where they introduce the uniform change, and was thinking that Mr Welles looked familiar (other than the actor also playing Neroon). He then made a comment about surviving regime change and I looked it up, and he was the Ministry of Peace guy trying to recruit Ivanova into the Nightwatch. So it seems like some of Clarke's staffers have survived well into the next presidency.
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Got past Into The Fire and now my rewatch has stalled from 2-3 episodes per night to 1 every other night or so... I really just don't like the Minbari civil war and Garibaldi stuff in season 4.
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Mustard Iceman posted:Got past Into The Fire and now my rewatch has stalled from 2-3 episodes per night to 1 every other night or so... I really just don't like the Minbari civil war and Garibaldi stuff in season 4. I had this basic thought last night and was kind of relieved because I only want to watch one episode a night and the show being too good means I don't have time to read. Hell maybe I'll even wait a day or two before I get to The Illusion of Truth because it kind of stinks.
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MassRafTer posted:I had this basic thought last night and was kind of relieved because I only want to watch one episode a night and the show being too good means I don't have time to read. Hell maybe I'll even wait a day or two before I get to The Illusion of Truth because it kind of stinks. I actually enjoy that one a bit more than the others that sit in between Into the Fire and NSNR. I was on Rumors Bargains and Lies last night and ugh. The best scene is Londo's throwing shade at Rebo and Zooty. The rest of it is just the Religious Caste and the entire League being entirely engulfed by the idiot ball.
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Mustard Iceman posted:I actually enjoy that one a bit more than the others that sit in between Into the Fire and NSNR. I was on Rumors Bargains and Lies last night and ugh. The best scene is Londo's throwing shade at Rebo and Zooty. The rest of it is just the Religious Caste and the entire League being entirely engulfed by the idiot ball. I liked The Illusion of Truth when I first saw it but after watching the whole series it came off as a much lamer version of And Now for a Word. ANfaW delivers the message of media spin in a more interesting way and doesn't make our heroes look as stupid as they do in the Illusion of Truth.
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Regarding something discussed in the blind watch thread, the most drastic contrast is of course the next episode Flowers For Algeria will watch, when we have a flashback to old/more heavy Stephen Furst interspersed in a scene of new/slimmer Stephen Furst.
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MassRafTer posted:I liked The Illusion of Truth when I first saw it but after watching the whole series it came off as a much lamer version of And Now for a Word. ANfaW delivers the message of media spin in a more interesting way and doesn't make our heroes look as stupid as they do in the Illusion of Truth. "In hindsight, we shouldn't have given the propaganda agent from the enemy government a guided tour of our slums."
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Eighties ZomCom posted:So I just watched the episode of Crusade where they introduce the uniform change, and was thinking that Mr Welles looked familiar (other than the actor also playing Neroon). He then made a comment about surviving regime change and I looked it up, and he was the Ministry of Peace guy trying to recruit Ivanova into the Nightwatch. So it seems like some of Clarke's staffers have survived well into the next presidency. So it goes.
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