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Timby posted:That's also the same episode, I believe, in which Kosh tricks Talia into copying all of her memories into a recording droid, who then gives Kosh the data crystal. I don't think that's ever fully explained. Unless Kosh somehow knew that Talia was a Psi-Corps spy and wanted to be able to blackmail her if necessary. That's one of those plots that had to go unused because the actress left, iirc.
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Eh, redrafting improves all writing, the original concepts might have been crap but it's a little hard to gauge what a produced show based on that would have been.
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Shbobdb posted:But redraftings forced by conflict as opposed to enabled by extension makes a better product. That's what I love about B5. It thrives in adversity, that is what makes it strong. Oh yeah, I think the result sounds better than the original concept stuff, I just think going straight from 'the original concept sounds bad' straight to 'if they'd used that as a basis it would be bad' is just not something very knowable.
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Timby posted:while still tripping over her accent. Isn't that her natural accent?
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pentyne posted:Of by a factor of 10x. Still, there must've been 30-40k people living in extreme poverty on the station at least. Yeah the 2.5 million is how many pounds of spinning metal it is, all alone in the night.
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Luigi Thirty posted:JMS said it was scripted out and Claudia Christian thought it was hilarious and put a lot of practice in. I think JMS has said that there was next to no improv anywhere, and he seems like enough of a control freak that this makes sense to me.
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monster on a stick posted:What is Torgo doing there? gotta have something to do when the master's not away
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I think most of the arguments against In The Beginning are spoiler related and honestly I don't think that's a huge concern, at least with the spoilers ITB hands out. This is very much a show that will straight-up tell you what is going to happen and the interest is far more in how one arrives there. It doesn't give you the tools to fully appreciate the significance of the events, so I don't personally think that it's a problem to watch it first.
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That order's fine but really don't feel compelled to watch any of the side non-show content, honestly. The only good movie is In The Beginning.
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Is there any point where when presented with a chance to get aggressively theatrical, B5 says 'no'? It's one of my favourite things about the show, there's few things I love more than an actor with a good chunk of scenery in their teeth.
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I'm still convinced the marcus thing was intended to be creepy and hosed up and will loudly yell DEATH OF THE AUTHOR at anyone who tries to suggest otherwise to me. As a horror story, I don't mind it.
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Yeah, my only S1 skip is Believers. TKO's b-plot is solid gold.
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CainFortea posted:Yea, Believers is good TV. Yeah, that's the thing, I don't think it's a bad episode at all, I just find it really uncomfortable to watch, so I don't. CainFortea posted:Eh. TKO is basically just Bloodsport but with less french. I mean those aren't the parts I'm watching TKO for!!
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I'll definitely watch it, if it ever materializes, but yeah I'm not sure I'm willing to cling to more than cautious optimism on this.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:https://twitter.com/straczynski/status/1442621159221043202?s=20 I like what I see, ngl.
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my favourite episode, hands down
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Grand Fromage posted:I dunno about Usenet but he denies any and all influences on B5 if you ask him about it on twitter. I remember him getting especially mad about that one. Maybe he was more willing to talk about it back then. There's a huge huge difference between not writing in references intentionally and not being influenced by other works. I've never seen him deny influence.
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But the future refused to change...
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I genuinely don't understand why "no I wasn't intending to crib from x" is such a controversial statement to some people. You can argue about whether there's unintentional influence and I think there certainly is, but when the question is if he intended to do a thing and he says no, he didn't intend it, I don't see a reason to think he's lying.
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He doesn't have to be lying to have unintentionally folded in more recent sources influenced by the same material, which is far, far more likely than him consistently telling the same lie for decades. No matter how much your fee-fees want him to be lying.
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I like that story, its brand of horror really gets to me
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Grand Fromage posted:As a huge fan of both I find the similarities to be very superficial. The shows are totally different. honestly i think that's one of the most interesting things about it; they're very different takes on those superficial similarities and I love seeing that kind of variance.
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he was always a libertarian whackjob prone to magical thinking but he did turn meaner as he's gotten older, and i've seen people take hard right turns after head injuries so it's not outside the realm of possibility
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I stand by my position that if you read it as a horror story, it's fine
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Gaz-L posted:Delenn sounded like Mira in that, did she lay down voiceover before she passed away, do we know? She has been recast.
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Gaz-L posted:I think that interpretation of the prophecy is basically consensus except for the 'eye that does not see' which I think most people take to be more literal and mean G'Kar. I suppose the 'one who is dead' could also mean Sheridan? the thing is it does intentionally have some wiggle room for every element, it's just there's the really obvious ones you think of first like that
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my guess is there's a serious load bearing distinction between "space travel" and "practical ftl space travel" going on here
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Yeah I quite like Infection, it's a solid early vibe-setter imo.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I'm glad to hear more people are alive than I thought and by extension i'm also glad, somewhat morbidly, that we're finally reaching a point in time that when the next person leaves us, they will not be dying unusually young
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Torrannor posted:I think Minbari are a bit stronger on average, but don't deal as well with heat iirc? think the heat thing specifically is actually a different show entirely; farscape had their 'looks exactly like humans' race have problems with heat.
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Yeah, I think they're fairly carefully written to come off at least not not-benevolent at first blush, but "hey... wait a minute, looking back..." once you know their deal. I don't think you really get splits in opinion on them before we learn more.
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I like believers a lot but I tend to skip it just because of how uncomfortable it is to watch. I get what it's doing and I appreciate it, I just can only take it in certain moods. I also tend to skip gray 17 but that's as much because the following episode is my favourite in the series.
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Clouseau posted:Otherwise, it must be embarrassing to go through all that complicated residency process to move there just to be on Taskmaster when Jason Manzoukas just proved you can fly over and do it. huge difference between "I would like to come out for this one-off job and then leave" and "I would like to move here and look for work on an ongoing basis" in terms of the necessary bureaucracy. doesn't seem like the best time to move to the UK but on the other hand it does seem like the best time to move out of the US, so hey.
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imagine hiring a contractor to, idk, do a new deck for your place and the guy shows up and he's like "So what do you want?" Pantaloon Pontiff posted:I think the Shadows only pick people they think will be useful to them who are willing to sign on to work with them as agents, and that they make some minor modifications but mostly leave their personality intact. Yeah, like consider that early scene where Morden goes fishing amongst the ambassadors before going with Londo. Most of the answers he gets aren't things they can work with - he picks the guy who will just go along with what they do. neongrey fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jul 21, 2025 |
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McSpanky posted:It's a bit more involved than that -- at that point the Narn would've gone along with them as well, but they wanted more than simple allegiance towards a common goal in the present. They were looking for grand ambition, for hunger, that could be twisted and manipulated into pushing boundaries, ceding control, dragging things out far beyond a simple military campaign. They wanted their own Minbari. I mean yeah definitely, but that doesn't really change my point - while I'm sure the Shadows could alter their targets to better suit their purposes, they're selecting for a pre-existing compatability. A little tit for tat to get the wheels started, for sure, but you have to feed cattle, too.
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Yeah, when I rewatch I skip exactly two episodes - Believers, because I find it really uncomfortable to watch and I have already absorbed its point, and it's not really bringing anything else to the table - and Grey 17, because for all that I like its b-plot well enough, you're telling me this lovely a-plot is the only thing now standing in the way of, like, my favourite episode of TV ever? gently caress off with that. So yeah I think it especially suffers for its placement. In s1 or s5, or even maybe s2, I think I'd be more tolerant of a goofy bottle episode.
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I dunno man I feel like if it's literally on the box and in the episode summaries that got used in tv guides, it's probably okay to know it going in to the episode.
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Riven posted:What was great thought was it was really broadly about theology. My problem with a lot of sci-fi that goes here is it’s a way for someone to investigate their Catholicism or something (looking at you Damon Lindelof). That bothers me and I check out. I’m now an atheist who was agnostic for a long time and a practicing Buddhist for awhile. Asking the questions we all ask and looking at it from truly alien views is fascinating and does not bother me. B5 does this very well, vs having a sci-fi veneer over a specific religion yet again. Yeah, I think this is where the authorial atheism helps, because it's not the memed-on kind where it's pure "lol look at all these Christians [and they always never think beyond christianity, of course] believing in their fake god" but coming more from the position of asking why people believe in things. A religious person can ask these questions too, of course, but the colour is different when it's coming from the position of "what I believe is correct" as opposed to the absence of belief. if that makes any kind of sense.
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Also, the guy didn't even read those books (not that anyone should) so it's not even capable of examining more than the inside of his own rear end in a top hat lmao
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Grand Fromage posted:Which is very funny about a show with the planet Khazad-dum and has a wizard straight up quote Lord of the Rings in an episode JMS wrote personally. I mean i think the overt references are a different thing from the kind of thing he got bent out of shape about, which seems to be nerds asking him if drat near every line was a reference to something else. Something being similar to something else is not the same thing as intentional reference.
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