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MonsieurChoc posted:Yeah, and Sheridan even has a much more cowboy attitude than Sinclair. It's just that he'S fundamentally a good guy and not a racist, so Clarke's plan is bungled completely at the start, it's amazing. Actually it's a major plot point. Sheridan's profile reads like hardline Earth-first without actually being so, which was perfect for the Earth Alliance faction investigating Santiago's assassination to nudge him into the position.
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MonsieurChoc posted:It's still hypocrisy though. When you have an overwhelming technical advantage, you don't get to talk about fair fights. That's actually not true, as the Humans challenged the Minbari to combat so it's their own fault they got slaughtered by Minbari standards. The humans really pissed them off with the double-insult of attacking when they were displaying a gesture of respect (flying with gunports open), and offing their most respected leader in the first volley.
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Feb 22, 2017 07:34
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Angry Lobster posted:God, I wish dock worker strikes in real life got resolved as cleanly as in this show. I love the way that one gets resolved; You want me to read the riot act? You absolutely certain you want me to read the riot act and deal with this situation however I deem fit? Alright then... 
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Feb 22, 2017 14:38
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hangedman1984 posted:So I've recently started a rewatch of the series because, due to the recent political climate, it is nice to see a brush with fascism that I know will eventually have a happy ending. Better hope there's a fleet of ships ready to deal with the Scorched Earth suicide then. 
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Feb 25, 2017 16:14
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Milky Moor posted:I don't think anything like that is directly stated. However, the Minbari were absolutely waging a war of total extermination, so, shooting down lifepods was probably matter of course. I wouldn't be surprised by it either. Delenn even said that they, as a race, "went mad" during the war.
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Feb 26, 2017 03:16
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Party Plane Jones posted:The Babylon station is never a civilian station; it's always been a military outpost foremost and a diplomatic/free port after that. How the hell did you get that? The whole point of the Babylon Project was a place for diplomacy and free trade. Hell, it's mentioned in the first two season's opening credits. It's a joint project between the five member races (which is why they sit on the Council) with an EA presence for general operational control and defense.
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Feb 27, 2017 06:43
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mllaneza posted:Well yeah, but... That was because of Clark's Earth-first politics and issues with Raiders. B5 saw a lot of close calls in its first year of operation. Also why the gently caress would you leave a quarter of a million people floating in space without basic defenses for raiders, debris or meteors? The original defense grid's point was to see off the local opportunistic Raiders and pop incoming missiles.
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Feb 27, 2017 07:22
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Grand Fromage posted:Was it ever explicit in the novels or anything what happened to Babylons 1-3 or are we supposed to assume the Shadows blew all of them up like they were going to do to Babylon 4? Pretty much exactly that. All we know is they got bombed during construction, and given what you see when they deal with Babylon 4 it's not hard to wager who was behind the other attacks.
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Feb 27, 2017 11:18
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Polaron posted:While this is certainly true, I always assumed the only reason the Shadows went after B4 was because they recognized it from the last war. I never thought about it before it was brought up just now really, but think about it it; the last thing the Shadows would want is the younger racers unifying, or even co-operating to any extensive degree, which is exactly what a place like a Babylon station would almost certainly achieve. Milky Moor posted:I don't think the Shadows were awake and operating at that point in the timeline. I always thought the losses of B1-3 were the result of, like, Homeguard-types in the EA. They've always had agents in play, even if they themselves weren't active. Why do you think Humans suddenly gained Telepaths a mere couple of centuries prior to the show?
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Feb 27, 2017 12:31
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Timby posted:That's also the same episode, I believe, in which Kosh tricks Talia into copying all of her memories into a recording droid, who then gives Kosh the data crystal. I don't think that's ever fully explained. Unless Kosh somehow knew that Talia was a Psi-Corps spy and wanted to be able to blackmail her if necessary. Actually the word of god on that one was that the point of it was to make a backup of Talia's mind in case her sleeper agent personality got activated. That way she could be restored to her former self.
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Feb 27, 2017 23:35
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hangedman1984 posted:My memory on the timeline is a little fuzzy, does Kosh the first die before or after Talia's sleeper personality is activated? Well after.
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Feb 28, 2017 01:29
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SlothfulCobra posted:Babylon 5 is such a mix of things. The show is sometimes shallow and twee and other times deep and meaningful. There's genuine drama and genuinely bad acting. Sometimes simplistic morals, and sometimes elaborate and complex showings of genuine conflicts between differing philosophies. The unspoken second half of that being "BECAUSE IF WE DON'T WE ARE ALL DEEPLY hosed!"
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Mar 5, 2017 01:27
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Panzeh posted:The weird thing to me is how mixed babylon 5 is as a show- it didn't really work all that well for me, though there were absolutely parts where it did. I'd say they're one of the better TV couples, just for being an actual relationship growing over time through multiple seasons instead of going from zero to "oh, they're in love now" with a single episode.
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Mar 5, 2017 12:16
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happyhippy posted:Delenn is the main character in B5. If you listen carefully during season 5, I swear you can hear the show's plot grinding its way from Idle to High-Gear the moment Byron drops dead.
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Mar 5, 2017 15:04
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Data Graham posted:I wish she'd stayed androgynous like in the pilot. It also changes randomly between her hair going under the headpiece and threading through it from episode to episode.
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Mar 5, 2017 15:25
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Data Graham posted:I was gonna say I do like her accent. It's unplaceable and one of the things that really sells her as an alien. The Centauri needed a good thick Russian accent. Everything's gone downhill since  .
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Mar 5, 2017 15:30
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Data Graham posted:Hell yeah. I commented on that in my recent watchthrough; running it in slow-motion and setting it in counterpoint to "No Hiding Place" being belted out by gospel singers was one of those "Yep, we've arrived in the modern era of TV drama" moments, akin to the Miami Vice "In the Air Tonight" scene. What makes that scene so good is the entire time Londo's parading around as a hologram they have G'Kar and Reefa actively responding to his actions instead of passively watching, whether it's Londo walking through them or just waving his finger under Reefa's nose.
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Mar 5, 2017 16:18
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Burning_Monk posted:Most people remember the elevator scene with G'Kar and Lando but Marcus and Franklin in the cargo hold was a big moment for me. I dunno, that was a conversation that can only end in a gunshot....
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DAS Super! posted:I still get bummed out when Walter White gets sent on his suicide mission. He's a father of five too! 
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Apr 1, 2017 03:51
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Lorien saved the show for season 5. The airdate for Sleeping in the Light was 25 November, 1998. Wait... Oh poo poo. 
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Jun 18, 2017 02:58
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Jedit posted:I'm pretty sure that there's more than one Medbay on the station as well, but Franklin operates out of the main Medbay. Yeah, you see Franklin talking about Medlab 5 at least once so it's pretty safe to assume they're probably scattered around the station like GP's rather than being one central hospital.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:06
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neongrey posted:I think JMS has said that there was next to no improv anywhere, and he seems like enough of a control freak that this makes sense to me. You're forgetting one of the best scenes was made that way through improv though (G'Kar and Londo trapped in a lift).
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Jun 28, 2017 01:29
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Narsham posted:The lines all got said, just in a different way than was scripted. JMS describes G'Kar's scripted attitude as "Zen-like." He also describes walking past the set during the first take, hearing gales of laughter, coming in and being asked whether they could play the scene that way... and they proceeded to do a second take. And that's what aired. It's fascinating in that you can kinda see what the original version was like from the scripted lines, with G'Kar just quietly (or threateningly) enjoying getting to watch Londo die, but it is so much more G'Kar that he sees it all as a grand cosmic joke. He doesn't have to kill Londo, he doesn't have to do anything and he still gets to watch him die  .
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:I'm in the middle of S2 so I don't think I've seen him really verbally destroy someone yet, looking forward to that now. Oh wow, I envy you for what you've got coming in the next few seasons then .
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I've always loved that the punchline to the prophecy of Babylon 5 ending in a grizzly explosion turns out to be from them decomissioning the station after it's outlived its purpose. Instead of whatever mess Babylon Prime would've been.
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You wouldn't believe the kinds of places the Spanish Inquisition turns up.  It's in the Patlabor TV series. Baka-nin posted:The Rangers always confused me, and I still don't see how Marcus is supposed to work, he's supposed to be helping run a secret underground network of soldiers and scouts, but he's so loud and flamboyant in mannerism that he sticks out like a sore thumb. The general idea is that most of them do not act like Marcus, and have little more than the badge on them while they just hang around acting like normal people whilst listening for any good rumours. They only wear the robes when they're in more visible roles and need to show The Rangers are coming to gently caress someone up.
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monster on a stick posted:What is Torgo doing there? NnnnooO Bo-Body expECTS Torr-GO.
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thexerox123 posted:I'm watching through the series for the first time, and I have just one thing to say. I hear you! I always loved the encounter with the Walkers of Sigma 957 in season 1, just for G'Kar's speech about them at the end  .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZW8Deq8vE&t=35s Neddy Seagoon fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I didn't explicitly keep track last time through, but I'm planning on it this time: I don't even think Byron and the telepaths have more than a couple of episodes as the main focus, and not a lot of time spent on them outside of that. In episode 1 of season 5 it was maaaaybe ten minutes, and none in episode 2.  the Telepath Community arc eats nearly half the season.And once it's done the show really makes up for lost time.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I know it goes on until the halfway point, what I mean is it's not a constant presence. It still casts a shadow over the entire first half of the season as the primary story arc. Once it gets put to bed the season makes a massive jump in quality.
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Jul 9, 2017 01:58
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:So you're saying early season 5 has Robert Atkin Downes Syndrome?  But seriously though, even when it's not the focus of an episode, it's often still insinuated into the background as the driving ongoing plot that gets referred to off-hand because nothing else was going on at the time. Without the big galaxy-shaping events of the prior seasons occurring simultaneously with it, it's the only thing that can, and does, get mentioned in conversations.
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Milky Moor posted:Yeah, Bester is quite old. By the time of Mind War, he'd had quite the full life. I think by the time he dies he's just about one hundred or thereabouts (he dies a day or two after Sheridan does, peacefully in his sleep, with a statue erected in his honor). Not quite. iirc It's all one last final joke for Bester at everyone's expense by pure accident, because the baby in the statue raised against PsiCorps is wee babby Bester.
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Narsham posted:Well, Morden/Kosh was subtle early on, and the Narn/Centauri conflict at least sees a shift in the good/evil dynamic across the series. I just have one question; What do you want?
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Jedit posted:It has Sleeping in Light, more importantly. No, that's technically season 4.
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thexerox123 posted:I found Sheridan telling Kosh off very satisfying, but the consequences are awful. I always loved the way Kosh suddenly gets an expression like Sheridan told him he hosed Kosh's mother just from Sheridan asking the question "What do you want?"
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hope and vaseline posted:And just how loving sinister Kosh II was in comparison with Kosh's subtleties. It's the angle of the head. Having it raised higher makes it look like Kosh II is sneering at everything in contempt.
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Data Graham posted:Pivoting after O'Hare had to leave worked out pretty well. There was a hole in his mind .
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e X posted:If it was Michael O'Hare's departure that derailed the whole Babylon prime idea, than it really was a blessing in disguise, because the whole thing sounds horribly convoluted in my ears. Babylon 5's politics were its strongest part and as it sounds, a lot of that would have been lost in favor of time travel shenanigans and more mystic stuff, that was always pretty much hit and miss. Aka "See what SeaQuest did? Don't do that."
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Von_Doom posted:Thank you for posting all of that. Seriously a fascinating read and easily collected for our threads enjoyment. There was probably even more political shenanigans behind the scenes than on the onscreen. Shenanigans. Saw that word three times in the thread so far. Just fun to type. Shenanigans. Have you been watching Killjoys? Because you should really watch Killjoys.
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:Yeah, I feel like one of B5s biggest strengths is how consistent it feels in a million little ways. The fact one person wrote more than 80% of the scripts shows, but more than that it's slow. There are payoffs that take years and that just wouldn't fly today. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave, like this. Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?
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