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> octo I think it's interesting it comes with a general use sensor. It's to monitor case temperature?
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Nolgthorn posted:> octo Whatever you’d like; I have it taped near my rear 2.5” slots to keep an eye on U.2 drive temps. I guess in bigger cases you could get some zonal temp data
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Nolgthorn posted:> octo Yep. I've messed around with putting it near intakes to use with the software to calculated a dT/ambient reading, but ultimately decided to just use the loop sensor for absolute fluid temp.
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 Pretty nervous about these runs. I've never bent hard tubing before, they both run parallel out of the cpu, I feel like I won't have much problem measuring and getting those 90's done, they run parallel (one in front of the other) until they need to 45 off to their respective sockets on the radiator and the pump. Not sure how I'm going to measure it to get those 45's in the right place. They also have to sort of bend outward at that point a little bit to hit their mark feel like I should have bought a ton of extra pipe.
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 I really hope this doesn't cause a problem. I noticed the threads are longer on the phobya temp sensor than the rest of my fittings. It doesn't look like it seats properly with ekwb. If it is a problem why would they sell something like this? E: yea it comes loose easily what the heck Nolgthorn fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Jul 25, 2022 12:08
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 My case offers two mounting positions for the radiator the right one there's a thing there that holds the side on. But there's not enough room on the left one either because of the components on the motherboard. This is a nightmare. I feel like I'm in hell, who water-cools their system? Nolgthorn fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Jul 25, 2022 12:32
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Basically I think I need to front mount the radiator, which means I need to take apart the bottom of my case. Which means I don't have the right bracket for the pump. So I have to order another temp sensor and a bracket. I don't know if I can find a store near me that sells both those things and can get them to me in a reasonable time. It doesn't seem like any amount of planning is enough.
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Nolgthorn posted:misery.txt Yep. Building a custom loop is "do it for the hobby" because it's a right pain in the rear end. What, precisely, is preventing the radiator from top-mounting? Is it the EPS cable? A heat sink? Will it fit with a tighter bend in the EPS cables? Shorter motherboard standoffs? Try putting the temperature sensor elsewhere in the loop. It might fit better on one of the pump inlets? It doesn't really matter where it goes since the liquid temperature will normalize on any sane pump setting.
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Ahh, the reason I'm miserable is because I went into it with the wrong attitude. I'll try. Somewhat mitigated, I really want this rad on the top, I managed to just barely get it in routing the cables tightly around the heatsink on the motherboard. Won't be a problem? 😬      Nolgthorn fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Test fitting the pump shows I have to replan my loop. I'm not going to make the top inlet work, and I may need to turn my radiator around. Also take apart my water block to swap the inlet (to right) and outlet (left).  Those cables mashed behind the radiator, maybe I could route them down. Nolgthorn fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Jul 25, 2022 14:08
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If you think it's bad now, wait until you start cutting and bending tubes. At least, from that way you phrase things it sure sounds like you're using hard tubes? I'll do lots of disgusting poo poo, but you won't catch me within a mile of a hard tubing project. No thanks. Don't need that kind of stress in my life.
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I figured, no pain no gain
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I'm putting the temperature sensor on the pump outlet, unless anyone tells me not to.
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Nolgthorn posted:I'm putting the temperature sensor on the pump outlet, unless anyone tells me not to. It doesn't matter where you put the sensor because the coolant essentially reaches temperature equilibrium throughout. Yes it's unintuitive.
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How thick is that rad? Looks like a Meshify / Define top -- I have a Meshify 2 C and used thin (Black Ice GTS) rads on top and front -- the top 240 w/ fans barely clears all the componently on a TRX40 mobo (so it is busy up there) + my EPS cables have to make a pretty tight 180 to mate up there, but it is doable.VelociBacon posted:It doesn't matter where you put the sensor because the coolant essentially reaches temperature equilibrium throughout. Yes it's unintuitive. Yeah, it's not voltage (always trips me up too because this would be insane to me to do on a PCB / electrical system) -- thermal is so slow / it's basically 'equipotential' in the size of a loop in a computer. I suppose having multiples and reading a massive temp delta to tell you have a blockage / open hose somewhere could work, but there would also be many other uh, obvious signs of catastrophe. With most CPUs nowadays protecting themselves against thermal overheat, watching pump failure like a hawk isn't _as_ important right now since changes are your CPU will toggle a system shutdown if it gets too hot and then you're good.
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I know right, the rad is massive. It's the middle thick 360 from ek, the case is meshify 2. I'm starting to see why water-cooling is put in xl cases. Can't imagine wanting to put this into a compact. I just took apart my ek quantum magnitude block to reverse outlets, that was harrowing. I hope to God it still works. Nolgthorn fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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Everything taken apart and back together I have a plan. Simpler is better.  Been posting on my phone all day, I want my workstation back. Next step bending pipes. Then it's loop testing, then all the finishing touches. Hopefully, let's say three days. But I'm done for today.
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The first day of water-cooling is always thinking holy poo poo what have I done followed by a stiff drink and I'll sort this mess out tomorrow. Welcome to the club 
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Nolgthorn posted:I know right, the rad is massive. It's the middle thick 360 from ek, the case is meshify 2. I'm starting to see why water-cooling is put in xl cases. Can't imagine wanting to put this into a compact. Yeah I have the meshify 2 XL (look at my posts in the thread to see it) and 2x CoolStream CE 420 from EKWB, they're thicc boys and I was happy to have the large case. Can't tell from the photo but are you going to be unable to unplug your motherboard PSU cable with the rigid tubing there? VelociBacon fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 25, 2022 |
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There should be enough room, doing 90 degree bends out of the cpu at the distance that goes into the radiator. There's a good inch or so. If not, it's only an extension cable I can leave it plugged in and detach it at the back of the computer where it plugs into the real power cable.
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 Wish me luck Pray for me.
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Nolgthorn posted:
Hell yeah man get it buddy
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Holy balls this is heckn' possible!  I don't know if I got lucky it doesn't look too too bad because I reheated it a lot of times.
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Nolgthorn posted:
Got the same situation in my BeQuiet Silentbase 602, my 280mm top radi was crashing with the ram sticks, so i installed the MoBo upside down. Idk if this is common feature with towers or not. Also you should cut out a few of the struts blocking your airflow. The many screws from the radi should be enough to keep the whole top intact.
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Nolgthorn posted:Holy balls this is heckn' possible! Good on you mate, it really is work for the patient!
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AutismVaccine posted:Also you should cut out a few of the struts blocking your airflow. The many screws from the radi should be enough to keep the whole top intact. Hesitant to do this, it looks like there's enough space between the radiator and the struts that it won't impede airflow by very much. What do you think?  I mean there's also a whole mesh over top of this too.
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That's absolutely not going to effect cooling performance.
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VelociBacon posted:That's absolutely not going to effect cooling performance. Yeah, i guess it is overkill if you dont already do other cuts/mods on the rest of the tower. If you use reasonable fan RPM it shouldnt matter; in my project i drive them at minimum, reliable starting RPM and dont use a fine mesh on top, so it has more impact. AutismVaccine fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Jul 27, 2022 |
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Nolgthorn posted:Hesitant to do this, it looks like there's enough space between the radiator and the struts that it won't impede airflow by very much. What do you think? The marginal gains from this are not worth the effort. This is tenth of a percent kind of hobbyist optimizing.
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 Got it almost.  This bastard here is too short by 1cm. Disappointing I thought I had it. My first failed tube. I measured, doubted myself, measured again, second measurement came out 1cm shorter. Nobody ever told me I should measure three times. Also when I cut it too short I mangled the cut, it's all wonky. Like my brain knew I was doing something wrong.
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So where do I get pipe like that? Sorry to storm in, but I loosely follow the thread after water cooling decades ago and want to know what pipe can be heated up and bent like that. It’s very cool, great job man!
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namlosh posted:So where do I get pipe like that? Sorry to storm in, but I loosely follow the thread after water cooling decades ago and want to know what pipe can be heated up and bent like that. It’s very cool, great job man! PETG I think is the material, a type of acrylic if I'm not mistaken. You'd want to get it from a PC water cooling supply place so it's exactly the right dimensions for the fittings probably.
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Mine's from the ek webshop, it's 14mm hdc acrylic, rather than petg. But everywhere just about sells it in one form or another. General notes about acrylic, it's very fun to bend. Some people have said it takes longer to heat up, but I haven't really had a problem with that since the material is less likely to bubble if you give it too much heat. It also very rapidly cools back down to a point where it maintains it's shape. What I think is harder about acrylic as a material is you can't use a snazzy pipe cutter, you have to use a saw. It's a tiny bit clearer than some alternatives which helped lead to my selection. Ultimately I'm happy with the choice. I've found the bending guide tool from ek indispensable as well. There's zero YouTube videos about it, but it makes my 90 and 45 bends uniform, without thinking too much.
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Awesome, thx!
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Pretty sure acrylic will scratch really easily too so be careful!
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I'm uh I'm indecisive. After a couple of hours with this tube, I've come up with this result. It seems to fit. I'm going to step back and look at it again tomorrow. It's got a much less symmetrical look than I intended when I started. The tubes run parallel up from the pump, and then do their own thing.     I think part of the issue is this is really hard.
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Nolgthorn posted:I'm uh I'm indecisive. That looks fantastic, I'd be more than happy with it. That doesn't look like someone's first time in any way.
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Thanks man. I am leak testing right now with distilled water. The pump behaved in a way I wasn't expecting, delayed response to me turning on or off the power. So I think it ran dry for a few seconds after rapidly displacing everything in my reservoir. I hope I didn't cause damage. It's on full blast, I think I'm supposed to leave it like this for 24 hrs. Then I'll drain it, put in the actual coolant.
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Running dry for a few seconds won't harm anything. And the piping looks great. I haven't bothered with hard tubing because I know I'd gently caress it up.
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I usually leak test with air for 15 minutes and then fill / leak test with liquid for about an hour. You will notice if something leaks or not pretty soon, no need to test for 24 hours.
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