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I picked up The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors on this threads recommendation. I'm only a couple chapters in but it's already one of the best nonfiction books I've ever read.
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Two Finger posted:I finally finished command and control. That is one seriously good read and very sobering. I can't really understand how we are still all here. I'm moving onto Blind Man's Bluff next on shims recommendation. Your gonna enjoy the poo poo out of that book. Made me have a whole new world of appreciation for submariners.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Your gonna enjoy the poo poo out of that book. Made me have a whole new world of appreciation for submariners. I'm 66 pages in and holy poo poo this is a great read. Thanks again for the recommendation! !
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Your gonna enjoy the poo poo out of that book. Made me have a whole new world of appreciation for submariners. I just finished it and yeah this was almost as good a read as tin can sailors. A+++ would read again
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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dead-Men-Risen-Defining-Afghanistan/dp/1849164231 Dead Men Risen by Toby Harnden Most of the books I have read about the modern British army praise it's professionalism and state what a superb job they do. While this book portrays most of the troops in a sympathetic light, it pulls no punches in portraying how thinly stretched the Welsh Guards were and how bad the strategy used in Afghanistan was. There is a feeling of despair and hopelessness throughout the work but despite that, it is an excellent read.
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Books I'm reading that I really like: https://www.amazon.com/Browned-Off-Bloody-Minded-British-1939-1945/dp/0300170750 Browned Off and Bloody Minded Great read about the development of the British army from the BEF and Dunkirk to the end of the war. He has everything from petty racism to drafted poets who grew to love Army life. https://www.amazon.com/Marine-Snipe...=maruine+sniper Marine Sniper Chris who? Carlos Hathcock's story. Humble. A badass. A man who can kill in his sleep. Also a really nice guy. https://www.amazon.com/Master-Seapo...rds=ernest+king Master of Seapower: A biography of Ernest King "Uncle Ernie" is a the guy who built the modern US Navy. He was a sonofabitch, an rear end in a top hat and a power grabber. But he got stuff done. He had good sense about subordinates who could handle tasks and those who could not. If you've never heard of him, seriously, read up on him. I worked with his grandson for a while. Looked just like him. https://www.amazon.com/Rising-Sun-F...java+sea+battle Rising Sun, Falling Skies The campaign to save the Dutch East Indies. The whole thing was a cluster gently caress with heroics by the allies trying to save the day while being outnumbers and outgunned. The author paints the Dutch in a very difference light, one that makes them seem like well-trained by severely under equipped soldiers/sailors who where overwhelmed. The saga of the USS Houston and Karl Doorman in particular are interesting. A really under studied campaign brought to life by a pretty decent book. https://www.amazon.com/Country-Corps-General-Oliver-Smith/dp/159114826X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1501541073&sr=1-2&keywords=op+smith For Country and Corps: The Life of Oliver P. Smith Before Jim Mattis, there was OP Smith. OP was a Marine's Marine. He was in a variety of posts during the war and had command of the 1st Marine Division in Korea. Even Marine vets I talk to have little idea who he is. Politics, you know. Not as badass as Chesty or public as Smith. (Chesty served under him and respected the hell out of him, btw). He looked like your Grandpa but told MacArthur and Almond to shove it when they wanted him to strong out his outfit. He was the only winner in the cluster gently caress of the Chinese offensive. The author is is step-daughter and is really well written. Mattis mirrors OP in many ways. https://www.amazon.com/Stormtroop-T...rmtroop+tactics Stormtroop Tactics Often, when I jerk off, I jerk to something like this. This book dives in depth into the development of German trench raiding tactics in WWI. It's academic but way more accessible than you think. Amazing stuff. The Germans learned quick about how to assault entrenched positions. https://www.amazon.com/Defence-Duff...YB2N9M1XAPW2F4K The Defense of Duffer's Drift A choose your own adventure book about securing a river crossing from the dirty Boers. If you're a loving nerd and like tactics, you'll love this book. It's also free, just google it. https://www.amazon.com/Like-Wolves-...ves+on+the+fold Like Wolves in the Fold Like Zulu? Then this is the book for you. The defense of Rorkes Drift, 1879. You'll like nearly every stupid Brit, Chard is a loser with the ability to shoot stuff, Bromhead is deaf but likes to kill Zulus and the rest just want to live. The best best part is that these guys rose to fame and had the Victoria Cross. They proved that even losers can be heroes. I have hope now.
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I might look into Marine Sniper. Love reading about Vietnam.
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Wizgot posted:I might look into Marine Sniper. Love reading about Vietnam. Read Chickenhawk Dispatches Fields of Fire Hue: 1968 Matterhorn A Rumor of War Hell in a Very Small Place Street Without Joy The Quiet American
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Smiling Jack posted:Read I have read : Fields of Fire Matterhorn Dispatches All excellent.
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Pesticide20 posted:The Things They Carried Read them as well. The Things They Carried is what got me into war literature.
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Dispatches is amazing Matterhorn is loving soul crushing, much as I imagine Vietnam was.
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Burning Beard posted:Books I'm reading that I really like: If you haven't yet, you should check out Battle Tactics of the Western Front - the British Army's Art of Attack 1914-1918 https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Tactics-Western-Front-British/dp/0300066635 Similar kind of book about what was happening on the other side of no man's land. Except at the end and beginning of the war, the Germans were largely on the strategic defensive and their attacks were mostly raids, as you said. The Brits had to learn how to do big strategic offensives and this book goes into that story in great detail. I bet you'd love it.
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Pesticide20 posted:The Things They Carried I'd forgotten about Going After Cacciato, going to have to reread that one. Did anyone ever read Walter Dean Myers' book "Fallen Angels" when they were a kid? It's frequently billed as a young adults novel, but it had some really graphic descriptions of combat and racism in Vietnam.
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suboptimal posted:I'd forgotten about Going After Cacciato, going to have to reread that one. I think I remember that book in my school's library. It had a description on the back about how napalm sucked the air right out of your lungs. Never read it though. Going After Cacciato is a hit or miss. I loved it personally but it gets mixed reviews.
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suboptimal posted:I'd forgotten about Going After Cacciato, going to have to reread that one. I read this in seventh grade and thought it was pretty good. I wanst blown away by the racism or anything but I read alot as a kid cause my parents didn't let me watch TV except for sat and Sunday so I had gone through some fairly adult books that I didn't really grasp by 6th/7th grade but i had been exposed to that kind of poo poo in other books (To Kill a Mockingbird) t I probably would wait till maybe 8th to have a kid read it but it'd still probably go over there heads or they wouldn't understand it....I recall this book cause I read it on the way home from a baseball showcase in Savanna GA and I read it immediately after Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. Thanks mom.
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MA-Horus posted:Dispatches is amazing Gonna take advantage of this to poast my fav academic analysis of Dispatches:   
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William Reeder, author of Through The Valley was the guest on the Pritzker Military Presents earlier this month (recorded a few months ago). I keep meaning to go to some of these, and just forget. http://www.pritzkermilitary.org/whats_on/pritzker-military-presents/ Its a great pod cast if you aren't local or too lazy like me.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:How have y'all kept this thread from me so long It's not our fault you can't read
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William Howard Russell's The War is a collection of 22 months of dispatches from the author, an embedded reporter sent to Crimea with the Anglo-French expedition in 1853. In it you will find familiar-sounding accounts of Our Heroes in William Philpott's Three Armies on the Somme is a drat fine account of how and why trench stuff, like Shattered Sword taking a lot of time out for mythbusting.
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Matterhorn is a masterwork in how it brings it's characters to life (and kills them off). It's probably the only war novel that has made me cry reading it. loving vancouver, man
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Death on the Don - Favorite book read this year. Shattered Sword by Jonathan Parshall and Anthony Tully - It's a good account of Midway. Great breakdown of the Japanese planning and the combat from the Japanese perspective. I don't feel it's as revolutionary as many people indicate. It’s a seminal work but like all seminal works there are some massive issues. The book needed much tighter editing. It has two authors and reads like it. Bit schizophrenic in its criticisms. It’ll take the piss out of a previous author and then immediately make faulty claims of its own. Midway was not possible for the Japanese to win. The authors insistence to the contrary detracts from the great points they make about the flaws in the plan and Japanese planning. The authors coming down hard on the side of the Japanese does make for a good starting point if you want to create a dialogue about Japanese damage control (They weren't as bad as most people seem to think). Instead of Shattered Sword, the book about 1942 and carriers people should read is Black Shoe Carrier Admiral. It is the culmination of Lundstrom's trilogy covering carrier operations during the first year of the Pacific War. Leveraging the research of 9 years and three books, he attacks the ill reputation of Vice Admiral Fletcher, America's commander at the tip of the spear for the first 9 months of the war. Some of his defense is a bit iffy, proving a negative is a struggle, but there is no better single source on the strategy and commanders for the first 9 months of the Pacific war. If nothing else, it's worth a read to find out why the Hornet's air group went off on a goosechase at the Battle of Midway. The First Team by Lundstrom - A history of the Navy carrier fighter pilots in the Pacific that America began WWII with. In describing their actions and doctrine it follows every American carrier mission from Dec. 7 1941 to Midway. Does a great job analyzing every aerial combat between American carrier planes and Japanese carrier and island-based planes. It picks apart the Zero Supremacy of the early war and explains how US carriers were able to hold their own in the engagements of 1942. The First Team and the Guadalcanal Campaign finishes out 1942 with the aerial and naval battles of Guadalcanal. Chase it down with Operation KE by Roger & Dennis Letourneau which details the Japanese withdrawal from Guadalcanal in January of 1943, rounding out the Guadalcanal narrative. Path of Infinite Sorrow follows the result of Coral Sea derailing the Japanese plan leading to the attempt to take Port Moresby by crossing the Owen Stanley. I'm a big fan of all of Robert Cressman's works, but the one I'd most recommend is his book on Wake Island, A Magnificent Fight. It's a very detailed account of the construction and defense of the island and explores narrative conflict between the Navy island commander and the Marine garrison commander. Cressman makes full use of his position as historian at the Naval History and Heritage Center to dig up a wealth of archival sources. His two carrier histories, of the Yorktown & Ranger, are the best books about individual carriers yet. Stafford's Enterprise is good, but when comparing his memoirs to the Enterprise it's easy to see that his writing is better when he has personal familiarity with the subject. The U. S. Navy, The Neutrality Patrol, And Atlantic Fleet Escort Operations, 1939-1941. It's a paper, but it's a great dissection of America's involvement in World War 2 before Pearl Harbor. For two years the Atlantic Squadron operated on a war footing before America's official entry. The paper details the technology & doctrine sharing between US & UK as well as the combat the convoys and patrols looked for. I appreciate it because it looks beyond the U-boat and includes the raiders. On December 7th there were more American carriers in the Atlantic than in the Pacific. The Pacific has gone down as the Carrier War and the Atlantic as the U-boat War, but America entered the war with 4 carriers in the Atlantic and they weren’t there to fight the u-boats. Available here: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a245396.pdf John Paul Jones: Sailor, Hero, Father of the American Navy by Evan Thomas is a good biography on the American naval hero. I was worried that it'd be jingoistic and/or whitewash his character flaws. Instead it's a well-sourced biography that makes extensive use of correspondence to highlight how Jones demeanor routinely alienated friends, created political enemies, and prevented him from attaining any lasting command and employment. Before reading this book I did not know that he served in the Russian navy or died in France poor and alone. Moving forward read Teddy Roosevelt's Naval War of 1812. Prior to Teddy, the history of 1812's naval conflict was firmly dictated by a Brit who hated Americans and misconstrued data to downplay American victories and swell British triumphs. America had its own author but he neglected to do his own data research and ceded the battleground of statistics to the Brits. Teddy compares the histories and does his own research to support his hypothesis that victory goes to those who invest in training and modern technology. It is incredible fun to read Teddy parsing William Jame’s ridiculous assertions. For example James often goes to great lengths to contrive that America owes its victories to her vessels being crewed by Brits not Americans. Teddy takes the logic of this excuse to its next step which would demonstrate that American officers lead Brits better than Brit officers. Not what James was intending. Armored Thunderbolt - History of the design and development of the Sherman tank of World War II. Does a good job laying out how the Sherman came to be, why it received limited gun and armor development, argues well that the tank was an eminently suitable workhouse, and even makes a case for it as the best tank of 1943. Recommended if your opinion of the Sherman is derived from Deathtraps, History channel documentaries, or other sources that focus on the German cats. Follow it up with Death on the Don for a reinterpretation of the performance of German allies on the Eastern Front. If you read Armored Thunderbolt first, it will make a lot more sense why the lesser Axis armored divisions were still incredibly useful even if equipped with outdated and very-outdated tanks. Riviera to the Rhine - US Army Green Book on the campaigns from the landings in southern France in September 1944 through the Vosges and the last German offensive on the Western Front in January 1945. A little dry but packed with information. The whole Green Book series is a recommendation. I'm highlighting Riviera to the Rhine because there are so few secondary sources about Dragoon that people often don't know that there was an Army Group on Patton's right or that there was a German offensive after The Battle of the Bulge. I don’t care much for examining what-ifs too far, but Riviera to the Rhine does a good job explaining why the Eisenhower did not support the Sixth Army Group in crossing the Rhine in 1944. A more thematically focused alternative would be When The Odds Were Even. Keith Bonn uses the Vosges campaign to argue against the notion that the Wehrmacht was superior to the U.S. Army at the tactical level and that America only won battles by drowning the Germans in planes, artillery shells, and cheap tanks. Imperfect but recommended if you're tired of germanophiles. Day of the Panzer is a more focused account on the landings in Southern France and the pursuit of the German army group. Bit weird because the book is a lot of context for a specific engagement where the author’s dad is killed before they’d ever met each other. Otherwise well-written and interesting view-point of the race to the Lower Vosges. Cutthroats by Robert Dick is a good account of late-war tank combat in the Pacific. Robert drove a tank in the Philippines in 1944 and commanded a tank in Okinawa in 1945. His description of combat on Okinawa is particularly interesting. For some humor, pay special attention to Robert's three run ins with colonels. Hidden Warbirds is a decent book about locating, salvaging, and restoring airplane wrecks. A large number of museum aircraft are restored wrecks pulled from the water or remote locales. If you've been to an air & space museum, you've seen a plane whose salvage is described in this book. A little samey between stories, a little dry, but fascinating. After reading go to Udvar-Hazy and look into the conservation shop. Lately there is also a conservator working on the blimp gondola in the exhibit floor. If you can, talk to the conservators about creating components to restore planes without any specialized tooling machines. Warthog by William Smallwood is a good book on the A-10 in the Gulf War published in 1993. The A-10 was the first plane I loved. If you've mentioned affection for this plane on these forums and haven't read this book, you need to pick it up. Bomber Pilot - the first memoir I read which got me started in reading military history. B-24 squadron commander in the Med during 1943 and operations officer in England during 1944. He Forest Gump'ed his way through '43 & '44. Leading his squadron to Ploesti, bombing beaches on D-Day, and serving with Jimmy Stewart are just a few notables. Good author. Easy reading. Wildcats Over Casablanca - an account of VF-41, The Red Rippers, in Operation Torch. It was published in 1943 so there is definitely some bias. Only half of it was written by the pilots; the other half was written by the ghostwriter from notes. Pretty easy to tell the halves apart. Every Ripper survived the action despite several of them being shot down. That makes for an easy, uplifting tale for wartime, but also highlights the important element of good luck in Torch. On paper Casablanca was tougher than the other major American landing of 1942, Guadalcanal. The Japanese had the success of Savo but never took the invasion transports under fire. The French light squadron did. Had a submarine torpedo connected with the Ranger, had a shell of the Jean Bart hit the Massachusetts or Augusta, or had the the DB-3s laid a bomb or three into the transports and the landings on the Atlantic coast may not have gone down in history as the easy victory it did. Chase or lead with Vincent P O’Hara’s The US Navy Against the Axis, Surface Combat 1941-1945, if you need to reexamine the importance of surface units at the dawn of the carrier. Little Ship Big War & Subchaser by Edward Stafford - two memoirs by the same author detailing his experiences in American escorts. He commanded a subchaser in the Atlantic/Med in 1943 and was First Lieutenant for a destroyer escort in 1944-1945. Stafford is a good author and his memoirs read well. Wages by SA's own Zack Parsons is a fun near-future private-security dystopia. The premise gets less funny every year now. As I love the USS Ranger, I must recommend Torpedo Squadron 4 by Gerald Thomas. An informative account of the actions of Torpedo Squadron 4 in 1943 on the Ranger, 1944 on the Bunker Hill, and 1945 on the Essex. The focus is on VT-4 but he includes information and stories from the other squadrons of Air Group 4. Notable missions include Operation Leader and strikes in the Philippines, Vietnam, and Japan. Air Group 4 shared the Essex with the first Marine Corsair squadrons to be assigned to carrier duty. The book provides good descriptions of carrier operations in WWII and is crammed with photographs. There is also a separate photo supplement with even more photos! Torpedo Squadron 4, Manilla Harbor, 1944 November 14 posted:“Coming out of there the Ack Ack was pretty heavy, but I saw our bombs hit --not one but two direct hits! I called Scott and asked if we were going to attack that cruiser and I asked how he wanted the bombs set. He said ‘at 700 feet.’ So I set them. But as we got closer I thought ‘What the Hell! You’re a better bomber than that.’ So, I reached in and reset for 400 feet. We ended up with two direct hits.”
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666 posted:Matterhorn is a masterwork in how it brings it's characters to life (and kills them off). It's probably the only war novel that has made me cry reading it. loving vancouver, man It's been seven years since I've read it but yeah, Vancouver 
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This thread is amazing, my to read list has grown exponentially. Just finished Last stand of the tin can soldiers and Neptune's Inferno about fleet actions in the pacific and am currently reading Strong men armed: the United States marines against Japan. for a more general overview of the island hopping campaign, great book. I'd like to throw my favourite book ever out onto the pile.  In Great Spirits: Archie Barwick's WWI Diary Pretty much a direct reprinting of an Aussie soldiers war time diary. He and his brother were in the first division of Australians to ship out to combat for the empire and landed at the disaster that was Gallipoli. He survived that hell hole only to be shipped off to the western front and was involved in pretty much every action the diggers fought there. The entire book is written in such a friendly, positive and casual Aussie style, can be a real disconnect when he's talking about the appalling conditions or being in charges. He's up beat and confident the entire book despite what he was subjected to and if I can get one random internet person to read it I'll be happy. I've owned 4 copies of this now as I keep giving it away to people, worth a read.
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Abongination posted:This thread is amazing, my to read list has grown exponentially. Hey I'll read it. I just bought it off of your recommendation, so I guess you get to be happy.  I'll probably get around to it somewhere around my next cruise.
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As an aside, Karl Marlantes of Matterhorn fame is in the Ken Burns Vietnam War documentary It is not hard to see the rage he still carries inside him.
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MA-Horus posted:As an aside, Karl Marlantes of Matterhorn fame is in the Ken Burns Vietnam War documentary Tim O'Brien, too
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Marlantes looks like a profoundly damaged individual. O'Brien too, but there seems to be less rage involved. Picked up the short timers, the things they carried, and dispatches.
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666 posted:Marlantes looks like a profoundly damaged individual. O'Brien too, but there seems to be less rage involved. Man, war novels are like the flame that attracts moths. It should be clear enough that the message is to stay away, but the same thing keeps happening, over and over.
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Handsome Ralph posted:It's been seven years since I've read it but yeah, Vancouver Matterhorn is amazing. It didn't move me quite like The Things They Carried but it's just as good.
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Alright, alright, alright. Into Oblivion Kharkov To Stalingrad: The Story Of Pionier-Bataillon 305 This book is loving awesome. Not for the faint of heart. Or wallet (clocking in at $79 right now). Essentially the author found the correspondence and memoirs of a former officer in the 305th "Bondesee" Division during the invasion of the Soviet Union and Stalingrad. The book details the war from the perspective of a bunch of old reservists sent into the meat grinder in Stalingrad. Most died. It's depressing, eye opening, and focuses on the ordinary German soldier. The source, a man named Richard Grimm, used post war reunions to try to account for lost and missing comrades. It's all detailed here. Probably only for the serious military historian but looking at Stalingrad through the eyes of a old reserve dudes is really fascinating. Death of the Leaping Horseman: The 24th Panzer Division in Stalingrad Same vein as above. Cheaper ($37 currently) as well. The 24th Panzer was a standard German armored force and, of course, was destroyed at Stalingrad. The book is less personal than the above but pretty interesting. The issues with the Panzer III's inferiority and the use of the division in street fighting are all good stuff. Afghanistan: A Russian Soldier's Story Pictures backed with text. A good summary of how former Soviet soldiers deal with PTSD and their time in Afghanistan. The author is very frank on his experience both on and after the war. He was with the Soviet Airborne and cleared mines. The Warrior Generals: Combat Leadership in the Civil War Buell's argument is that the Union was innovative and adapted to the new realities of war while the South relied on "valor". He praises the hell out of Sherman, Grant and Thomas while making GBS threads on Lee and Hood. I think his argument is well backed, personally.
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I'm glad to see Thomas is getting more and more recognition.
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Hey nerds, Military Writers Guild is seeking submissions: http://www.middlewestpress.com/2017/11/mil-writers-guild-announces-2018-why-we.html If anyone wants to workshop their stuff I'm happy to get involved. We can get a slack room going. I am probably going to submit something too. quote:The working title and theme of the anthology is “Why We Write,” and will regard how individual military-writing practitioners promote professional and/or popular discourse, while engaging audiences and creating communities through military topics, themes, milieu, or history.
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