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drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib

Reveal Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBaSzHdIfI4

Release Date: 7th October, 2016 on PC, Xbox One & PS4 - Preloading for PC is now available, 40.5gb download
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synopsis posted:

It’s 1968 and the rules have changed. After a tour of combat in Vietnam, Lincoln Clay knows this truth: family isn’t who you’re born with, it’s who you die for. Now back home in New Bordeaux, Lincoln is set on escaping a criminal past. But when his surrogate family, the black mob, is betrayed and wiped out by the Italian Mafia, Lincoln builds a new family on the ashes of the old and blazes a path of military-grade revenge through those responsible. But with the right crew, tough decisions and some dirty hands, it’s possible to make it to the top of the city's underworld.

Mafia III is a third person open world action-adventure game. Immerse yourself in a vast, diverse and seedy open world ruled by the mob and corrupt officials and richly detailed with the sights, sounds and emotionally charged social atmosphere of one of the most turbulent years in American history.
Bad Moon Rising - Development History
In November 2012, 2K Czech, the developer of the original Mafia: City of Lost Haven (2002) and Mafia II (2010), announced that the company was working on a "top secret, AAA game". After being in a pre-production state of developing the story, setting and creating their own game engine for over a year Mafia 3 entered development sometime in 2012. However, the company was later restructured and in January 2014 the main studio in Prague was shuttered, with resources being allocated to a new headquarters in Novato, California. A new studio called Hangar 13 was established by 2K Games the same year to take over development.

Reviving Mafia Part 1: The Rebirth of a Franchise - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SiW0PiG-d0 (making of/behind the scenes documentary)
Reviving Mafia Part 2: Crafting a Digital New Orleans - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7n-srsm_6c
Reviving Mafia Part 3: Racial Tension and Political Strife - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyVwo6ytNso


Green River - New Bordeaux, Louisiana
A vast, diverse and seedy open world ruled by the mob and corrupt officials and richly detailed with the sights, sounds and emotionally-charged social atmosphere of the era.

The game is set in 1968 New Bordeaux, a re-imagined version of New Orleans, with the open world design allowing players to freely explore the game's world. Various alterations to the world were made to suit the narrative: the bayou and the city have been positioned at close proximity, despite being at a further distance in real Louisiana; the Superdome stadium was being constructed in 1968, but is excluded from the game; and locations such as Canal St. have been omitted from the game for visual aesthetics. The team intended the world to be accessible for high-speed chases.


Born on the Bayou - Characters

Lincoln Clay (Alex Hernandez) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY39s23xjIs
Lincoln Clay is the protagonist of Mafia III, he grew up in Saint Michelle's orphanage in Delray Hollow, New Bordeaux. Still searching for an identity, he joined the United States Army to fight in the Vietnam War, where he watched many of his brothers in arms die in combat.


Cassandra (Erica Tazel) | The Voodoo Queen - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvQH-rFadVY
Cassandra is a member of the Haitian Mob and forms an unlikely alliance with Lincoln. She's as ruthless as she is mysterious, but one thing is for certain the "Voodoo Queen" will destroy the human trafficking trade in New Bordeaux, no matter the cost.


Thomas Burke (Barry O'Rourke) | The Anarchist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtPZD653XNw
Thomas Burke is the leader of the Irish Mob in New Bordeaux, operating out of Burke's Iron & Metal, a local salvage yard. He ran all the rackets in Pointe Verdun for the Marcano Crime Family, including car thefts and vehicle chop shops. Sometime in mid 1966, they had a falling out over a lost shipment and Marcano muscled in and took over all of his operations. In order to regain what he once had, he joins forces with Lincoln Clay.


Vittorio Scaletta (Rick Pasqualone) | The Throwback - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW6767-W7fk
Vittorio Scaletta is the Italian-American protagonist of 2K Czech's Mafia II, a man who goes from war hero to Made Man in the span of only a few years. A much older Vito returns in Mafia III as a supporting NPC. Following the events of Mafia II in 1951, Vito was exiled to New Bordeaux as part of a deal negotiated by Leo Galante that allowed Vito to live after his assault on the Empire Bay Triads. He is put to work in the Marcano Crime Family and given the River Row district of New Bordeaux to run for Sal Marcano.

Vito appeared as an unnamed hit man with Joe Barbero in the ending cutscene of Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven, making him the only character to appear in all three games.


John Donovan | The Operative
John Donovan is an ex C.I.A. agent. As an operative he was sent into Vietnam where he ran covert operations against the North Vietnamese regular and Viet Cong forces. He met Lincoln Clay while fighting in Vietnam and recruited him into the special forces.
In August 1971 John Donovan was called to testify before the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence regarding Lincoln Clay's involvement in taking out the Marcano crime family.


Sal Marcano | The Italian Mafia - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrxVbLH-t5E
Sal Marcano is the Don and Patriarch of the Marcano Crime Family. Brother of Lou and Tommy Marcano and Father of Giorgi.

He is probably based on real life mob boss Carlos Marcello, who was the leader of the New Orleans crime family in the 1960s.


Rollin', Rollin', Rollin' On The River - Extra Info
Minimum System Requirements:
OS: Windows 7 64-bit
Intel CPU: I5-2500K
AMD CPU: AMD FX-8120
RAM: 6GB
AMD GPU: Radeon HD7870
Nvidia GPU: GeForce GTX 660
GPU Memory: 2GB
HD: 50GB (free space)
https://mafiagame.com/en/news/view/en-mafia-3-pc-system-requirements-revealed
Note: All PC versions of the game use Steamworks, you can now preload the game, which is a 40.5gb download.

Trailers
Gamescom 2015 - Mafia 3 Reveal Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBaSzHdIfI4
One Way Road (Story Trailer) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UdSpFXz8Q4
E3 2016 Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwWmeQ14f4Q
E3 2016 Gameplay Reveal Trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REiXl6QE9VI
Death Suits You (Live Action Trailer) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYX6CI2LmzE
Family Kickback Trailer (Pre-order DLC) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbmFyetjjO8
Gamescom 2016 'The Heist' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvd35Nd8i0I
Revenge – Official Launch Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNiHOpHbCzM

Gameplay Videos
First 2 hours of the game - Giantbomb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RttPzGBflNI
Freeroam Gameplay - Open World Games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OW7_PU1tA
Shootout at The Cistern - Gamespot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIkFTi07Mk
Driving across the map from North to South - Gamesradar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Kkvq8Wq78

Other Videos
Mafia & Mafia II recap - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avp5x3CvHgw
The World of New Bordeaux #1 – City Districts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5d9ebSsdlE
The World of New Bordeaux #2 – Rackets - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oLyujjHpYE
The World of New Bordeaux #3 – Weapons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmV5OdBValg
The World of New Bordeaux #4 - Combat - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5uVgZIQXYM
The World of New Bordeaux #5 - The New Mob - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcS1oJJhlUA

Screenshots




Known Weapons - http://mafiagame.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons_in_Mafia_III
Known Vehicles - http://mafiagame.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicles_in_Mafia_III
Known Soundtrack - http://mafiagame.wikia.com/wiki/Mafia_III_Soundtrack (Like Mafia II, Mafia III will feature well over 100 licensed & original songs)
And yes, it looks like the collectable Playboy magazine centerfolds will be making a reappearance.

Pre-Order DLC: Available to everyone 30 days post launch:
  • Family Kick-Back Pack - Three exclusive weapons: Gator Shotgun, Camo Sniper, Trench 1938 Shotgun & three exclusive vehicles: Lassiter Leopard, Smith Moray MX100, Berkley Stallion
  • Judge, Jury & Executioner Weapons Pack (EU, AU and NZ) - Three exclusive custom versions of weapons: Engraved M1 Garand, Shortened Winchester 1887 Shotgun, Silenced M1911 Colt

Additional Content: Free character clothing, car customisation & vehicle races will be added as free content post launch as part of game updates.
Post Release Content: Major story expansions, included in the Season Pass:
  • Faster, Baby! - Fast cars, dramatic chases, and stunt driving take center stage as Lincoln takes down a corrupt sheriff.
  • Sign of the Times - A string of ritualistic killings has New Bordeaux on the edge of terror, Lincoln hunts down the cult responsible.
  • Stones Unturned - Lincoln must join forces with CIA agent John Donovan to settle a blood feud that began in the war-torn jungles of Vietnam.
  • TBA?
http://i.imgur.com/zR7Ev9h.gifv

drunkill fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Oct 8, 2016

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Basticle
Sep 12, 2011


I loved the first 2 games, I cant wait for this.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Mafia 3 looks to possibly be the first successful Godfather game that balances you being the guy that can do anything, but also be head of a criminal empire. It be boring if you didn't get to do exciting poo poo, but you can try to maintain an organization and call in for reinforcements and weapons.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Mafia 1 is my favorite game of all time and probably the most underrated game of all time, so I hope this is good.

Basticle
Sep 12, 2011


Abu Dave posted:

Mafia 1 is my favorite game of all time and probably the most underrated game of all time, so I hope this is good.

The gunplay was excellent.

Shame about 2K Czech getting closed, Mafia and Hidden & Dangerous series were excellent.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Crabtree posted:

Mafia 3 looks to possibly be the first successful Godfather game that balances you being the guy that can do anything, but also be head of a criminal empire. It be boring if you didn't get to do exciting poo poo, but you can try to maintain an organization and call in for reinforcements and weapons.

sorta. It looks to me like it has the faction take down elements(slowly destroy rival rackets,officers,whatever,then shoot a big cheese) then hand it over to one of your dudes to run. the story feels more like if the punisher worked with lesser criminals to take out a crime syndicate. i mean Lincoln is basically African american BJ blazkowicz(head injury and all). except instead of nazis, he is decimating mafia dipshits, white supremacists and white southerners(so basicaly nazis). which sounds loving awesome. i cant wait for this game.

Basticle posted:

The gunplay was excellent.

Shame about 2K Czech getting closed, Mafia and Hidden & Dangerous series were excellent.

i believe alot of them were moved to the new studio making mafia 3.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
When the game was revealed a year ago I was skeptical. Not because it had a non-white protagonist-- which set off all the other fans-- but because the driving looked pretty terrible, way too floaty and the cars burst into flames when the wind blew. But they've made a lot of improvements it seems.

While they have removed the petrol mechanic of the first two games and the main story missions are 'unlocked' by taking territory which might mean a slightly less structured story than the previous games I think we'll get a fun game out of it all.

As long as a third of the game isn't cut near the end of development and replaced with a 2 minute montage cutscene (mafia 2) we should be good.

The story takes place in the one year and apparently there will be no Vietnam missions in the game (maybe a dlc?) so the scope is smaller than the previous games, at least in setting.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

drunkill posted:

When the game was revealed a year ago I was skeptical. Not because it had a non-white protagonist-- which set off all the other fans-- but because the driving looked pretty terrible, way too floaty and the cars burst into flames when the wind blew. But they've made a lot of improvements it seems.

While they have removed the petrol mechanic of the first two games and the main story missions are 'unlocked' by taking territory which might mean a slightly less structured story than the previous games I think we'll get a fun game out of it all.

As long as a third of the game isn't cut near the end of development and replaced with a 2 minute montage cutscene (mafia 2) we should be good.

The story takes place in the one year and apparently there will be no Vietnam missions in the game (maybe a dlc?) so the scope is smaller than the previous games, at least in setting.

I kinda hopped their would be a nam mission just as an intro to the prologue. it sounds to me like they have more of a saints row 2 story set up.(mutiple small factions with under one big faction) tide in with story main missions and ton of side ones and various smaller missions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REiXl6QE9VI

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?
So I'm guessing we are going to definitively find out what happened to Joe from Mafia 2. He's probably dead but who knows.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

blackguy32 posted:

So I'm guessing we are going to definitively find out what happened to Joe from Mafia 2. He's probably dead but who knows.

they said if you get vitto super loyal to you, he explains(maybe playble flashback) what happens. i am sure he is dead.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I wonder if Mafia 2 aged well. I don't care that the world was "dead", Mafia 1 was equally dead. Those games aren't open world they're just wrappers aroudn the stories.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Abu Dave posted:

I wonder if Mafia 2 aged well. I don't care that the world was "dead", Mafia 1 was equally dead. Those games aren't open world they're just wrappers aroudn the stories.

I would have had a lot more fun if mafia 1 wasn't open world. I hated driving in that game.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

blackguy32 posted:

I would have had a lot more fun if mafia 1 wasn't open world. I hated driving in that game.

It technically wouldve been the first 3d crime open world game if it didnt get delayed, allowing gta3 to beat it to release.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Abu Dave posted:

I wonder if Mafia 2 aged well. I don't care that the world was "dead", Mafia 1 was equally dead. Those games aren't open world they're just wrappers aroudn the stories.

the story/campain holds up well enough even though its clearly stitched together. the world is basicaly dead though.

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

Hoping this ends up being good. After Mafia II I'm a little wary but I think including things to actually do in the open world is a good move, since nothing in the previous games really justified there being one.

BobKnob
Jul 23, 2002

Vikings are pirates only cooler. Oh yeah not a furry.
Are they going to attempt to have a living open world this time?

eleven extra elephants
Feb 16, 2007

Menschliches! Allzumenschliches!!
Mafia II was such a waste, it was one of the most gorgeous environments I've seen, just you never get to see any of it. Kind of optimistic for this new one.

tap my mountain
Jan 1, 2009

I'm the quick and the deadly

blackguy32 posted:

I would have had a lot more fun if mafia 1 wasn't open world. I hated driving in that game.

Car chases were pretty fun for the time, but the mission to mission driving was extremely awful. Did cars of that era really slow down to 2 mph just to climb a slight incline?

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

Broseph Brostar posted:

Car chases were pretty fun for the time, but the mission to mission driving was extremely awful. Did cars of that era really slow down to 2 mph just to climb a slight incline?

It's more because there were a lot of steep inclines in the first game and if you were obeying traffic laws and not breaking the speed limit you could just barely drive up them. Meaning if a cop is around, trying to get up one without going insane meant you would be fined by the cops.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

If I get called a moolie, I'm gonna BUST SOME TEETH LEMME TELL YA

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



Abu Dave posted:

I wonder if Mafia 2 aged well. I don't care that the world was "dead", Mafia 1 was equally dead. Those games aren't open world they're just wrappers aroudn the stories.

For what it's worth, I played it when it went free on Xbox a year ago and it was perhaps the most mediocre, forgettable game I played all last gen. The only part of the whole game I remember was when you were in prison, and I only remember that because it was really, really poo poo.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo
Man by the end of Mafia 1 I was just takin the train to work every day and it was still a drag. Driving across town for every single mission got old quick. I would load up my own music during the train ride, so I was doing a goddamn commute in a game.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Cubey posted:

For what it's worth, I played it when it went free on Xbox a year ago and it was perhaps the most mediocre, forgettable game I played all last gen. The only part of the whole game I remember was when you were in prison, and I only remember that because it was really, really poo poo.

yeah thats the issue with the game. basically the plot while pretty good at points feels more stitched together then bioshock infinite and since most of the side stuff/other weapons/half the story were cut, it really shows. characters appear and vanish in the story, a major "twist" about your dad is revealed in side quest in then resolved. it just kinda shits the bed. alot.

Captain Scandinaiva
Mar 29, 2010



I'm pretty optimistic about this. I still enjoyed 2 but it was a disappointment in many ways. It looks like 3 is going to nail the atmosphere like the other entries in the series while the gameplay is more fleshed out and the world more filled with stuff to do.

The gameplay shown so far doesn't seem very unique for an open world crime game. I hope these side activities you have to do to get to the bigger story missions don't end up feeling like padding. But the time period, the location and the protagonist are all different, so there's that.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/how-mafia-3-video-game-scored-kick-rear end-sixties-soundtrack-w435406

holy poo poo that soundtrack.

Captain Scandinaiva
Mar 29, 2010




Excellent.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

The more I see of this game, the more I'm sold.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib

blackguy32 posted:

So I'm guessing we are going to definitively find out what happened to Joe from Mafia 2. He's probably dead but who knows.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

they said if you get vitto super loyal to you, he explains(maybe playble flashback) what happens. i am sure he is dead.
Joe got taken away and whacked at the end of Mafia 2, no doubt. Sure, he was armed and might have killed the two mobsters but he probably died.

Although, rumours/fan theories are that while Vito was in prison and Joe had to lie low and leave Empire City for 5 years he fled to, you guessed it, New Bordeaux. He might have even had a son in that time, who was put up for adoption. Lincoln Clay is mixed race and was born in 1945 so the timeline could match up, just. Maybe. Although I'm not too much a fan of that fan theory, but it could work out.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

drunkill posted:

Joe got taken away and whacked at the end of Mafia 2, no doubt. Sure, he was armed and might have killed the two mobsters but he probably died.

Although, rumours/fan theories are that while Vito was in prison and Joe had to lie low and leave Empire City for 5 years he fled to, you guessed it, New Bordeaux. He might have even had a son in that time, who was put up for adoption. Lincoln Clay is mixed race and was born in 1945 so the timeline could match up, just. Maybe. Although I'm not too much a fan of that fan theory, but it could work out.

well maybe the second part might be true. but apprerently, he was sent their as punishment by leo now he works under the marcono who hates his guts.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
also they talked about their post release content. basicaly they are doing it witcher 3 style. tons of small free stuff and gamplay additions (charater customization and car customization) and a bunch of big expansion pack DLC.
https://mafiagame.com/en/news/view/en-a-look-at-the-post-release-content-coming-to-mafia-3

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
Mafia and Mafia 2 are EASILY my favorite open world crime games outside of GTA and I'm so loving excited for this one. With that DLC announcement last week I'm even more excited since 2K is one of the more disgusting DLC publishers.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Mafia and Mafia 2 are EASILY my favorite open world crime games outside of GTA and I'm so loving excited for this one. With that DLC announcement last week I'm even more excited since 2K is one of the more disgusting DLC publishers.

2k has weirdly always been my favorite publisher next to ubisoft. Most of their games (apart from any poo poo randy "the retard" pitchford and the burch sibling/the rest of gearbox poo poo out) are really good and they tend to take risks (like spec ops the line and to a lesser extent the bioshock series) the mafia games are great and 3 looks like it might be my game of the year.

http://www.vice.com/read/why-mafia-iii-should-tackle-race-head-on

also apparently it goes head first into the race stuff. so i am curious how well it will be handled. Walker was always one of the better if not Good thinkpiece writers so i trust him well enough.

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010
I really wish I could get into Mafia 1, because every time I try it I love all the ground stuff.

It's just anything involving driving is a nightmare. Like holy poo poo those cars don't move at all, and that intro chase is a nightmare. I'm cool with realistic, but youch. And people that like the game talk about a "nightmare race" that happens later. I'm just can never commit when I think of stuff like that.

I actually liked Mafia 2. It was obviously a hacked together zombie game, but it was really neat playing a game that was so....banal, despite being this gangster piece. Like you never did anything worth a drat, you always just kind of played second fiddle nobody man until the end, and even then you didn't really do anything particularly great. Great mission design in a few places though that really held it up. The Penthouse Assault is still in my mind as one of the best shootouts in games, and the Observatory fight near the end felt fantastic/smooth. I just wish the game surrounding it was better.

If this can expand on that, fantastic.

ColoradoCleric
Dec 26, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Mafia 2 had the best shotgun in a game ever, it was so brutal.

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
I would say that Mafia has some of the best third-person gunplay ever, perhaps second to Max Payne. I just love how loving kinetic and tiny-balls-of-metal-are-being-thrown-around it feels.

Also, I'm legitimately hoping that they tackle race head-on and don't flinch or pull any punches. So many games have recently tried to make some parable to racism and not gone anywhere with it so it might as well have been excluded from that game completely. Most recently Mankind Divided had that whole "mechanical apartheid" marketing angle and it's nowhere in the game meaningfully beyond some surface level "oh these cops are oppressing them!"

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo
The "nightmare race" was patched to be less nightmarish after like the first week.

edit: Or was that The Saboteur? I think that game had a nightmare race too

SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Sep 6, 2016

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

Dark_Swordmaster posted:

Also, I'm legitimately hoping that they tackle race head-on and don't flinch or pull any punches. So many games have recently tried to make some parable to racism and not gone anywhere with it so it might as well have been excluded from that game completely. Most recently Mankind Divided had that whole "mechanical apartheid" marketing angle and it's nowhere in the game meaningfully beyond some surface level "oh these cops are oppressing them!"
They are actually tying it in with the gameplay. Like that Vice article Dapper_Swindler posted mentions how the cops swoop in if they get a call from a rich white neighborhood but they can just outright ignore anyone reporting you in the slums. Also the devs said if you just hang around the rich white neighborhoods for too long people will call the cops on you.

Hopefully this game ends up being good, because it seems like it can be real cool.

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
I remember GTAV actually has that sort of stuff too. It was a "pleasant surprise." As horrible as it is it was nice to see it actually "addressed" instead of just magically handwaved away.


Also the gameplay videos with firefights for this have looked like it carries on the excellent gunplay of the first two. I'm so loving excited.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?
Meanwhile, I am hoping that they don't take race head-on because all of the previous attempts have been pretty drat embarrassing. But we will see. It's a subject that I don't see playing out too well if all of the past iterations, the solutions have all been violence and shootouts, when during that time period, you had to be smart to succeed. I had problems with Django Unchained for similar reasons.

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Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
Aug lives matter.

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