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You can neither copyright nor trademark either thing. However, you can copyright distinctive stylistic elements that you invented yourself and which are not derivitave of other, prior art; giant pouldrons for example, have held up in court. I'm not aware of any stylistic element of tree elfs that are distinctive and an invention of GW. They can trademark "Warhammer Tree Aelfs", though.
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Avenging Dentist posted:This was all prompted by the shop my friend works at being royally dicked around by their GW rep. My understanding is that he's been contacting other shops he has contacts with to see if this is happening consistently or if he just has a lovely rep, and so far it sounds like a few folks have chimed in and said they've been having the same issue. It's probably too early to say more with any certainty, but even with the limited evidence now, it's pretty worrying. Well that depends on who has those accounts, yeah, but I'm not 100% sure if the accounts are separate regionally or not (are the stores in question all in the same area?).
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Aug 22, 2016 20:05
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S.J. posted:Well that depends on who has those accounts, yeah, but I'm not 100% sure if the accounts are separate regionally or not (are the stores in question all in the same area?). It sounded like no, but this is all second-hand so I'm not sure.
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Aug 22, 2016 20:07
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Avenging Dentist posted:It sounded like no, but this is all second-hand so I'm not sure. Well I'm sure we've all heard similar anecdotes of stuff like that happening in various places, so yeaaaah, GW sucks
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Aug 22, 2016 20:08
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GW has an extremely flat corporate structure. Last year they had every staffer in Europe reporting to a single person, who in turn reported directly to the CEO: this year's report mentions that they decided to backpedal a bit on that, assigning regional managers to different parts of europe. I would not be surprised if every trade account in the US is managed by a single person. At best, there might be a small handful managing different large regions of the US, but there's no way that several stores in the same state have different trade account managers at GW.
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Aug 22, 2016 20:17
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Leperflesh posted:GW has an extremely flat corporate structure. Last year they had every staffer in Europe reporting to a single person, who in turn reported directly to the CEO: this year's report mentions that they decided to backpedal a bit on that, assigning regional managers to different parts of europe. Actually, I'm not even sure that all the stores in the city I'm in have the same account rep. I'll check back on that and let you know though. I know for a fact that there are a decent number of reps handling US accounts though.
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Aug 22, 2016 20:22
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Welp. I guess GW annual report preambles blatantly lie about how flat the corporate structure is!  not surprising at all
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Aug 22, 2016 20:26
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Leperflesh posted:Welp. I guess GW annual report preambles blatantly lie about how flat the corporate structure is! Well like I said, I'll let you know what I find out. I certainly don't know how many reps there are in the US in total.
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Aug 22, 2016 20:28
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There is actually only one GW rep, who operates under a series of aliases so that people don't realize this. Thankfully our researchers, though hours of work, have penetrated the GW alias scheme, and you can identify the rep by checking to see if his name involves any variation of 'Blood', 'Storm', or 'Wound'.
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Aug 22, 2016 20:30
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Our GW rep doesn't call us anymore because the last time he did my GM supplied him with numbers showing business was up but GW sales were way down and told him we didn't want to up our orders
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Aug 22, 2016 20:31
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Literally The Worst posted:Our GW rep doesn't call us anymore because the last time he did my GM supplied him with numbers showing business was up but GW sales were way down and told him we didn't want to up our orders Haha you have a lovely rep e: sorry you have a lovely rep Ashcans posted:There is actually only one GW rep, who operates under a series of aliases so that people don't realize this. Thankfully our researchers, though hours of work, have penetrated the GW alias scheme, and you can identify the rep by checking to see if his name involves any variation of 'Blood', 'Storm', or 'Wound'. You could've just told me you'd met Bloodwound Stormblood already geeze
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Aug 22, 2016 20:33
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S.J. posted:Well like I said, I'll let you know what I find out. I certainly don't know how many reps there are in the US in total. Back when my store used to order GW products I think there were around a dozen reps for the whole US, divided up into regions. So all local stores should have the same guy. This was 6 or 7 years ago, but I can't imagine that it has changed.
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From the latest annual report:quote:Trade So, all of the US should be handled from the telesales team in Memphis. quote:Structure So, the Memphis telesales team reports to a single global trade manager. Also, Games Workshop now has a "global merchandising and marketing manager." As an aside, the "Strategic Report" in the annual report is written (or at least signed, but I am convinced it's actually written) by CEO Kevin Rountree, who has an extremely annoying tendency to write sentences containing lists of things where some items are compound items, but he refuses to use the oxford comma which creates ambiguity. This is a pretty minor annoyance thing but to me it's further evidence that neither the Chairman's preamble nor Rountree's Strategic Report are reviewed or edited by a competent copyeditor, such as for example a secretary.
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Aug 22, 2016 22:28
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Secretaries are otiose in a niche. Edit: And really, we all knew that GW wasn't copy-editting anything they published, so this shouldn't be a surprise. Didn't we have some codex releases where the points for items was different in the main text and the item summary?
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Aug 22, 2016 22:38
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Ashcans posted:There is actually only one GW rep, who operates under a series of aliases so that people don't realize this. Thankfully our researchers, though hours of work, have penetrated the GW alias scheme, and you can identify the rep by checking to see if his name involves any variation of 'Blood', 'Storm', or 'Wound'. hitler alias theory already gaining evidence
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Ashcans posted:Secretaries are otiose in a niche. This has happened multiple times. We've also recently had ipad/android/paper differences.
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When I was a younger, my friends introduced me to Warhammer Fantasy Battle - there was one guy who played as High Elves, another who played as Orcs and Goblins, and my closest friend played as Undead. Another buddy of mine then joined and played as Wood Elves. So I got suckered in. I decided to play as Chaos for a few reasons: I loved the heavy-plated, axe-wielding Chaos Warriors and the cool-looking greater Daemons, and on a more practical note, Chaos Warriors could be bought in plastic packs of 12 and cost about 32 points on the battlefield each, so I could have a full-fledged army with only a handful of dudes, keeping my costs lower. I ended up with a neat, sizable (approx. 6000 point) army, with Chaos Warriors, Chaos Knights, Beastmen, Flamers, Nurglings and 3 different Greater Daemons to pick from. One of my fondest memories is when four of us put our armies together for a 2v2, 10,000 point game - chaos and undead versus Orc and Goblins (there were a LOT of Orcs and Goblins on the field) (Undead and Chaos lost that one but it was very fun). But playing quickly revealed just how terribly unbalanced the rules were and how every fight was really determied by the 600 point Lord that you kitted out and a bunch of lucky dice rolls. We had to make house rules to prevent blatant abuse of the official rules in ways that would almost guarantee a win on your first turn if you were playing undead. And then the new Chaos books were released. What's this? Chaos Warriors, Beastmen, and Chaos Daemons are now 3 separate armies? Uh, and the Daemons faction is basically unworkable as an actual force? The only way to take the others was as allies? My 6000 point army immediately crumbled to being about 3000 something points max and the realization that this would require that I buy over half of my army's current number of models all over again to be able to follow the new (still crap) rules made me realize what a total load of asshats GW really were. So yes, lessons learned. I play Warhmmer/40k computer games, but I'm out of the tabletop war gaming scene now. I think it's for the best. Soul Reaver fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Aug 22, 2016 |
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Aug 22, 2016 23:01
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Friend! There are better rulesets available!
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Aug 22, 2016 23:12
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If you still have your models, you can easily field a Kings of War army without buying anything new. Don't let GW destroy your interest in tabletop wargaming.
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Aug 22, 2016 23:12
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S.J. posted:Haha you have a lovely rep He tried to offer up ways we could boost our sales but uh a) lol no GW you are bad at that also B) our overall business is higher and our minis business is higher, it's only GW that's down So we're scaling back GW We are the reps worst nightmare because we have fuckin graphs showing this poo poo that our POS generates
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Leperflesh posted:If you still have your models, you can easily field a Kings of War army without buying anything new. Don't let GW destroy your interest in tabletop wargaming. i wanna try KoW but the LGS is deeply in the AoS camp to the point that we got a 10 minute spiel from the owner of the store about "haters talking poo poo about it online but never actually playing it" when i started making fun of how stupid the names for everything are now
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Business Gorillas posted:i wanna try KoW but the LGS is deeply in the AoS camp to the point that we got a 10 minute spiel from the owner of the store about "haters talking poo poo about it online but never actually playing it" when i started making fun of how stupid the names for everything are now I was speaking to the guy behind the counter at our FLGS and noted the AoS box set was still there and got "Oh, it's a good game! You're so free to do what you want with it and the combat choices add a real tactical element!" and my heart withered.
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Aug 22, 2016 23:27
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There's that new app mantic has for finding opponents? Maybe give that a shot.
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Literally The Worst posted:He tried to offer up ways we could boost our sales but uh a) lol no GW you are bad at that also B) our overall business is higher and our minis business is higher, it's only GW that's down Yeah we're scaling back too. We really have to considering how much of a footprint they take up.
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Aug 22, 2016 23:44
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Who in here would be down for a WFRP game?
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S.J. posted:Yeah we're scaling back too. We really have to considering how much of a footprint they take up. When I started here GW was its own aisle. One side fantasy one side 40k. GW is now one side of an aisle and that side is patchy a lot of the time. It gives us more space to devote to board games
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My LFGS can't get jack poo poo. No Relic Knights, no Guild Ball. Doesn't really matter since the one guy who is there is a total GW fan. He literally bought 2-3 starter sets for AoS. Bought all the board games. Loves it. To bad the GW shelf is still about half as big as it used to be and the space is taken up with Star Wars. He is also the reason some of friends don't go to the game store anymore. Wear deodorant kids!
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Mantic's putting up some clearance deals on their site to 'make room for the Walking Dead' stuff. http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/warpath/forge-fathers/product/forge-father-army-set-30-figures-and-2-vehicles.html looks like a good starting point for a 'Counts As' Space Marines army, you have two 10-man tac squads, 2 TFire Cannons, 8 Sternguard and 2 HQ guys. For the same price as a single jewel like object of amazement and wonder from GW. I'd be tempted if I didn't already have a ton of projects already.
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LordAba posted:My LFGS can't get jack poo poo. No Relic Knights, no Guild Ball. Doesn't really matter since the one guy who is there is a total GW fan. He literally bought 2-3 starter sets for AoS. Bought all the board games. Loves it. To bad the GW shelf is still about half as big as it used to be and the space is taken up with Star Wars. The GM and I are about the only people willing to try nonsense games just to see if they're good, thanks to our discount, but even things we can't really justify stocking we try to spread the word about and help get started. Literally the entire reason we're trying Guildball and why I'm picking up a Malifaux starter.
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For reference this is the same manager who is going to buy and play Campaign for North Africa just to say he did it
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berzerkmonkey posted:Yeah, but GW could never get away with that - can you imagine the fallout if GW went to KS and tried to fund, say, a new Sisters of Battle line? They would (rightfully) be burned at the stake. GW is stupid enough that it is a moral failing. berzerkmonkey posted:Also, KS is not a sustainable business model, and Mantic is going to have to start making inroads with retailers if they have any hope of sticking around for the long run.
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TTerrible posted:That has been their expansion strategy for decades. Supply a LGS, build a customer base, open a GW, gently caress with LGS supply.
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I feel bad because AoS somehow enticed the comic shop I play Magic at to try stocking GW products and I think they're taking a bath on it
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Lightning Lord posted:I feel bad because AoS somehow enticed the comic shop I play Magic at to try stocking GW products and I think they're taking a bath on it Sounds like GW
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Leperflesh posted:There's that new app mantic has for finding opponents? Maybe give that a shot. This is a thing? If I could easily find people to try playing KoW with I might actually do it. I can use my dinosaurs right?
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https://manticblog.com/2016/07/07/rumbl-find-players-kings-war-deadzone/ I can't promise it's gotten a lot of traction. Right now it's finding four KoW players within 100 miles of me, and I live in the SF bay area. I don't think Mantic have done enough to promote it. I think it's also in Beta, though? Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Is there any comparison to be drawn between Playboy and GW? Both are the big name to arise out of their field. Coasted on their 'brand' for decades while smaller competitors nipped at their heels by giving consumers more of what they wanted but loyalists stuck with the expensive and inferior product. The digital age heralds the demise of both. Playboy felt the hit a long time ago, but within a decade 3d Printing will reach a quality where even fewer people will be reaching into their wallets to pay $60 for 3 grunts.
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fnordcircle posted:Is there any comparison to be drawn between Playboy and GW? playboy has shown a willingness to adapt and change for the times so no
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quote:within a decade 3d Printing will reach a quality where even fewer people will be reaching into their wallets to pay $60 for 3 grunts. I thought this part was still about Playboy for a minute.
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Bieeardo posted:I thought this part was still about Playboy for a minute. It's going to kill the flesh light industry.
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