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the_steve posted:Chrono Cross: FATE, a supercomputer built in the future and thrown back into the past by Lavos related shenanigans uses the savepoints to influence the lives of the people living in El Nido in order to ensure that events play out in such a way that it still gets built in the future, as well as prevent the people from leaving the archipelago that the game takes place in. XG's save points weren't really any more complicated. The bad guys used them to track people. That's basically it.
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U-DO Burger posted:XG's save points weren't really any more complicated. The bad guys used them to track people. That's basically it. Yeah, but I'm prone to TLDR and would try to explain 3/4 of the plot twists for context's sake.
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I was starting to wonder whether this game was gonna do a multiple form final boss thing, as is tradition. So what are the odds of: 1. Setsuna finally gets her parentage shoved into her face in a way she can understand. 2. Our shenanigans in time are the reason Setsuna's mom was convinced Setsuna would save the world. 3. Our shenanigans in time rewrite the whole lot of things so sacrifices never happen and everyone is alive. 4. There's no way back to the future unless Setsuna sacrifices herself to use her magic to send Endir and no one is talking her out of it this time. 5. The game forgets we left everyone else in the crumbling 0-dimensional boss area and if/when we return, it's not to there in order to leave together back to regular time. The Dark Id posted:So naturally, that’s the best way to finish off a world ending monstrosity is to drop a giant magic sky frog I think the first one can just be removed.
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The Dark Id posted:
I guess I am Setsuna is pretty obscure compared to all those other references. That alternate dimension is ... our own! That thing is just the Tokyo RPG Factory logo rearranged.
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I have a sinking suspicion that the stupid lullabye/childs song/whatever is going to be the way this plot is resolved. Because if we're ripping off Crono Cross now, the only way you can save time is with music. And then Endir and Setsuna will gently caress and become their own ancestors.
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Since you can only bring Endir and Setsuna in the final fight, I am predicting that it will be one of those "last phase of the final boss which is actually a glorified cutscene that is impossible to lose" type deals, like in Final Fantasy VII / X, Persona 3 / 4, etc. Unless maybe a past version of one of the characters (Aeterna or Nidr?) appears to fill out the third party slot. The portal not an actual save point, it only looks like one, right? Since I thought it was stated that the last save point in the game is outside the interdimensional ball of yarn.
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Item Getter posted:Since you can only bring Endir and Setsuna in the final fight, I am predicting that it will be one of those "last phase of the final boss which is actually a glorified cutscene that is impossible to lose" type deals, like in Final Fantasy VII / X, Persona 3 / 4, etc. Making it an actual save point would be kind of a dick move, since TDI seems to have made it pretty clear that you can't leave to train at that point, so anyone who saves over their main file here would be screwed if the next boss turned out to be real and they couldn't take it on without Coup de Grace up there. So I'm guessing you'll be half-right either way; it'll either be a real save point with a cutscene boss at the end, just in case the player needs to take a break between killing Dark Sammy and the ending, or it's a fake save point with a real boss, so if you lose you can go grind up for the rematch and redo the entire boss rush again. Though to be fair, most people who would play IAS are RPG nostalgia fans who are almost certainly experienced enough to make a backup save point in an area where you're clearly prevented from leaving to grind, so Square could very easily have given us both a real save point and an actual boss fight as a You Dumb gently caress trap.
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It's probably going to be some weird self sacrificial bullshit that explains why Endir only appears in the final loop
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I wonder if it's gonna be ender or setsuna that asks butler guy to put the hit out on the sacrifice at this point I can't see anyone else doing it (since apparently the other party members are done for the game and there's really no one else to play that role anymore), so it's either them or the plot point was forgotten entirely
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Has I am Setsuna always been a launch title for the Switch, or was this just announced last night?
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ZidaneValor posted:Has I am Setsuna always been a launch title for the Switch, or was this just announced last night? It was announced yesterday, yeah. It was previously just a nebulous March release.
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Manatee Cannon posted:I wonder if it's gonna be ender or setsuna that asks butler guy to put the hit out on the sacrifice I'm pretty sure it was Dark Samsara via mind controlled Julienne, but Endir getting Cornelius to hire him in the past would be kind of cute. Though frankly TDI's Endir would try to get Cornelius to hire someone else, anyone else really, because this job is obviously not going to pay out. Unless you count the myriad weapons of ancient civilizations and an immense pile of monster body parts, I guess.
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Qrr posted:I'm pretty sure it was Dark Samsara via mind controlled Julienne, but Endir getting Cornelius to hire him in the past would be kind of cute. On the other hand, how big is the pile of jRPG gold the party is sitting on? Endir just has to negotiate getting I mean, if we have time travel might as well go full predestination paradox with it.
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 Part LVIII: I Am Alone  This section is technically its own chapter. But, well...  Music: Memories .jpg) .jpg) .jpg)  ...... ...... *sigh* ...Great. You travel through time and what do you get? More... frikkin’... snow... *looks around*.jpg) You know for a second there I was worried we’d just fall out of the sky or get teleported inside a wall or something... Are... we even *in* the past? And is this... Nive Island? Yes... I remember it all so well... That’s nice... Are we actually back in time? Or did we just get teleported half way across the continent for some reason...?.jpg) Well, we should probably investigate. If nothing, this game is really pretty with sunset lighting. I’d hadn’t really noticed it’d been pretty much entirely mid-day or night depending on the area. Let’s see if we can’t get some directions towards the whole world ending entity on the loose... .jpg)  After you leave the port, jus’ head nord-west, and you’ll soon see it! I cannot tell if this is some ye olde time accent or just yokel speak....jpg) .jpg) Well, sure enough we’re on Nive Island. Unlike every other time we’ve encountered the overworld map, we can no longer save our game. Like I told you, the last save point was back in the Time Judge’s chamber. We’re on track for the ending now. .jpg) The best course of action would probably be wandering into Nive Village proper and seeing where in time we’ve ended up. Hopefully, it’s not something like last Tuesday evening while the Dark Samsara is a thousand years in the past. .jpg) As soon as we walk into town, Raishin is there to greet us just like he was when Endir wandered in the beginning of the game looking to murder Setsuna. Apparently that’s all that guy does with his free time when not being snippy with secret dads. .jpg) ! Beautiful scenery, warm people... It’s a wonderful place, this village. Please, stay as long as you like. Really been working on that line for a while, huh? ...... ? ......? Is something the matter? *sweats* Oh... no. Nothing. You’re not worried about the monsters, are you? If so, there’s no need to fear... I shall protect everyone, even if it costs me my life! I feel safer already... *shakes head* How unusual to see this many outsiders, though... ? Oh, sorry... I saw a figure by the Falling Snow Monument earlier, you see... Did this “figure” happen to be like... I dunno... 40... 50 feet tall, maybe? Real buff? Bone like tail...? ...... ...No. What are you even...? Don’t worry about it, guy. Falling Snow Monument... Got it... *starts walking away* *stops* Err... If you ever see a guy with a mask like mine in the future, do me a favor... Go a bit easier with the fire spells, huh? Even if he's doing something that has you real steamed... ...O...kay...? Thanks a bunch... *turns to Endir and nods*.jpg) We’re free to explore past-Nive Village. The talk of the town is the sacrifice, Mana, having just had her departure ceremony for her pilgrimage earlier in the day. We just missed her! So we are ten years in the past and this is presumably the point where every time loop the Time Judge made started over things. .jpg) Beyond that, there’s nothing else of note going on in town. Sadly, we cannot destroy the universe by having Setsuna meet her younger self. Eight year old Setsuna is nowhere to be found despite her mom just going on a journey with no return and her father idling like a Wal-Mart greeter at the town entrance. .jpg) So a mysterious figure by the Falling Snow Momentum, huh? Well, that’s better than nothing to go on... .jpg) .jpg) .jpg) Raishin wasn’t kidding about telling the pair not to worry about monsters. Dazzshire Woods is completely devoid of any of the usual critters roaming around. So it’s just a brisk uninterrupted jog to... .jpg) The Falling Snow Monument. I suppose it’s fitting we end up here. At least it’ll be a pretty sunset... Music: Ocean Ambience .jpg) Hmm... Yeah... Just a shadow boy hanging out at the monument to all the dead sacrifices. That’s not ominous or anything. Let’s go have a quick chat... .jpg) ...... Err... What do we do here? Do I just stab it? No! Say something first. I think I should just stab it... Endir. Please... Tch... Fiiiiiiine! ...... ...Sup?.jpg) .jpg) Ugh... I thought we were just gonna get its attention so it was a fair fight. I didn’t know it was actually gonna talk. Should have just stabbed it... *sigh* Not going with my gut instinct is how I got into this mess in the first place... Human... Human... form...? *nods* Your emotions were channeled into someone else, and he cried... You also transformed him into a dragon. That was weird... That was a weird thing to do to a guy... So why...? Why can’t you remember those feelings? Cried...? This is a waste of time. We just kill this guy and we’re done here. Like, I don’t even need a paycheck to motivate me to get this done....jpg) Then maybe... just maybe... What...? You want him to join our party too...? We’re here to kill this guy!.jpg) *steps forward* Help... help... Help... stop... *steps forward* Cried... with anger... Cried... with hatred... It really is just an angsty teen, huh...? You know, this explains SO MUCH about how Dingus turned out... *steps forward* I... will... *steps forward* I... will... I’m not crazy about how it’s tip-toeing up to us like this. Give him a chance...The shade steps forward and collapses. Setsuna rushes to its side... .jpg) Hey, could you do me a favor and GET AWAY from the crazy world ending Teen Shadowlord, Setsuna? That’d be great! Humans... No, it’s fine, Endir. It’s just trying to ge—.jpg) BLARGH! I’m always right and STILL nobody listens to me...Endir sighs as he draws his katana to defend Setsuna. .jpg) He doesn’t understand. He’s a stupid idiot shadow boy. It was dumb we even tried to talk to it. I’m gonna kill ‘em now, if that’s cool with you? And if it’s not, I don’t care. I’m still gonna kill him... He was once human, too... and he hasn’t done anything wrong. Setsuna, he JUST shot you with a fireball. Assault just literally happened on your person perpetrated by this idiot... People exploited his love and kindness... They used him... He has committed no sin... so why must we defeat him? ...... ...... Setsuna, don’t take this the wrong way. You’re a real sweet girl. Empathetic to a fault. And one of the stupidest people I have ever met... *frown* *sigh* You know what? You just hang back... This is all gonna be on me. You tried to talk me out of it. Made a good case. But I wasn’t hearing any of it being a big, violent mercenary jerk. It’s in my nature! I could not be swayed in my resolve. So I went and killed this idiot shadow boy, much to your protest. Which I’m gonna go ahead and do now... Alright? None of this is on you! It’s all me... Endir....jpg) So here is the final battle of I am Setsuna: The Youth. Dark Samsara was the final boss. This is a gloried cutscene battle. .jpg) The Youth speaks during this fight. He’s fully voice acted (in Japanese) and everything. He’s got a heavily digitized voice like some kind of rogue Japanese computer. There’s a video at the end of the update if you want to hear it. .jpg) .jpg) This pale shade of Dark Samsara has exactly one attack: Inner Darkness, which just plinks a nominal amount of HP away from Endir. You could, in theory, fall here if you REALLY tried. But it’s incredibly unlikely. Conversely, ANY attack from Endir will one-shot the Youth. But... he does have a bit of dialogue and there is an achievement for listening to it all before ganking him. So... .jpg) Sad... So sad... I want... to be loved... So much... pain... Everyone... is... against me... Wanted to save... lives... save... the world... Wanted to destroy... lives... destroy... the world... Destruction... Only destruction... Why...? So much... sorrow... Stop....jpg) See? It’s what he wants! Hey, Dark Samsara... It looks like you’re... OUTTA TIME!.jpg) Ha! Nailed it! ...... Aww... c’mon... That was a good line! *frown* Outta time... cuz ya know... we went back in time...? *frown* Tch... Whatever. Forget it... *grumble* Nidr and Kir would have liked that... Tune in next time for the final update of I am Setsuna...    Youth Concept Art - The saddest brain damaged shadow boy.  Endir and Setsuna Art - I know it's the weird shading and flesh color of her outfit but Setsuna really looks like she's only got a bit of cloth covering her boobs. And where did Endir get a cape?   Video: Youth Battle The Dark Id fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jan 25, 2017 |
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That was underwhelming. I think, ever since FFVII, the cutscenes-last-boss has been a little bit played out.
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Oh my God where did you get that gif of Heihachi kicking Kazuma away that is amazing.
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Did we ever learn why Endir is here when he wasn't every other time loop, or why he was contracted to kill the sacrifice? If this final update doesn't explain those I'll be pissed. Not especially surprised, given how lazy this game's plot is, but still pissed.
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I'm hoping there's something really dumb coming up. My money is on either Obvious Hamfisted Sequel Hook, or Needless Last Minute Sacrifice.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:I'm hoping there's something really dumb coming up. My money is on either Obvious Hamfisted Sequel Hook, or Needless Last Minute Sacrifice.  I don't care about plot threads getting wrapped up or whatever, just please let this ending be really, really stupid
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Setsuna reminds me of the scientists towards the beginning of Black Mesa who will occasionally yell "Maybe we can reason with it!" in the middle of gun battles against zombies.
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Aw man I thought this was going to pull a 7th Saga, we barely went back in time at all 
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I'd been thinking that maybe we'd go back ten years and then get Setsuna's mother as our third party member in the past! I guess I was right and wrong in the most boring way possible.
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I'm disappointed that Toma didn't show up. Or wasn't Samsara's first name or something. 
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Hey this game looks pretty nice the one time it uses a color which isn't gray or white.The Dark Id posted:
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Depending on how the loops work, we might be really far "back in time," in so far as having spun around the loop a ton of times to get to the 10 years ago 1000 tries past.
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Gologle posted:Oh my God where did you get that gif of Heihachi kicking Kazuma away that is amazing. I think it's from the tekken 7 trailer?
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U-DO Burger posted:
Same. This game has been too bland to laugh at/get mad at most of the time. We need some hardcore stupidity to liven things up.
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Huh. The travel-back-in-time-to-defeat-a-mindless-evil bit makes me think of Earthbound. Except where Giygas was creepy and bizarre, this thing's just  . Oh well. The sunset palette made the game look really pretty there, I'm sad they didn't use it more.
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Well seeing as how we barely traveled back in time at all, shadow kid is going to turn out to be Endir somehow. That's why he's new to this time cycle. God this plot is dumb.
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Dude just went back 30 years, how did he lose literally all of the timeless eons of rage that made him such a threat?
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Wasn't this also how Xenogears ended? You beat the final boss and then have one more boss battle that's more of a glorified cutscene just to end the game? Least this game doesn't end with someone like Krelian getting to go space hopping with God/Wave Existence/Whatever.
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If I recall correctly, the final final boss of Xenogears is a bit more dangerous than 1 hit kill, but not greatly so.
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I'm kinda surprised, I figured we would just defeat dark samsara, then happily-ever-after and leave plot threads hanging. Instead there's time travel!
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Josuke Higashikata posted:If I recall correctly, the final final boss of Xenogears is a bit more dangerous than 1 hit kill, but not greatly so. Xenogears' final boss looks like a real fight (it has an actual HP score and the damage, while bad, isn't that much worse than randoms or the like)... but if you sit back and let it play out it can't actually kill you.
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Heh, weird. Obviously, I'd never tried that because it makes no sense to.
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The Dark Id posted:
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Manatee Cannon posted:they punched it out of him in the boss fight and what was left ran as far away as it could (ie, halfway across the world 10 years in the past) It's actually kind of disturbing. You beat the poo poo out of it, so its core (a frightened, injured child) ran away as far as it could. You chased it back into the past and put it down for good. Was too beaten to put up a real fight, but you had to do it. He begs you to put him out of his misery. If the plot hadn't completely dropped the fact that Endir's whole purpose on the team was to be the guy who'd for sure kill Setsuna because he'd been hired to do it, among all the other jarring tone swerves, it'd be a pretty fitting end.
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