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Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Kuros posted:

Overall I enjoyed the show, however Hubby thought that Bob was going to be there and was disappointed when she wasn't.

Maybe because she is taking a serious dramatic role in the new HBO series High Maintenance, which will also feature famous hipster gay porn star Colby Keller who will apparently have a graphic sex scene featuring full frontal nudity.

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Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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angerbeet posted:

Personally I think the biggest injustice is that Max isn't back.

For a more obvious first boot?

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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dino. posted:

Same goes for Phi2 and Roxy. I felt like the "shade" wasn't shade so much as it was outright nasty bitchiness. It wasn't funny. It didn't take any sort of talent to come up with. It was just mean-spirited and nasty.

From what I've heard, Roxxxy really has taken a turn and has turned down the nastiness. She said that she was shocked at how she came across, and vowed to make a change.

PhiPhi says that she has changed, but apparently she still, 5 years later, talks mad poo poo about Sharon. I'm not surprised.

I'm actually curious about how she affords all these looks for her 365 days of drag. She doesn't seem to be going cheap. I wonder if her fiance comes from money and is funding this experiment.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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I absolutely loving love Katya's laugh. She finds everything absolutely hysterical, and it sounds like she is going to pass out from lack of air.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Fresh Like Zafo posted:

Not feeling Alaska's lip injections, though. Very collapsed anus.

And the fillers...

"Roxxxy Andrews, I think about you every morning... at the bus stop." poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo

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Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Man, what a fantastic start to the season. With the exception of Coco's creepy silk bathrobe dance whatever it was (drat, Coco, you're just oblivious), all of the queen's talent exhibitions were absolutely phenomenal. It was obvious that they knew this was coming, and had plenty of time to prepare. I don't think they were kept in the dark about the challenges as much as they usually are.

Roxxxy and Tati's burlesque dances were hottt. Who knew that Ginger could sing (PhiPhi, not so much). Alaska couldn't really sing, but she really injected enough humor into it to make up for it.

Edit: Gurl. Michelle is coming HARD for the queens tonight.

Nihonniboku fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Aug 26, 2016

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Pinwiz11 posted:

OH HELL YES THAT ENDING

Revenge???? I read all the spoilers, but I didn't know about that.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Eliminated queens pick the winner from the top 3 is my guess.

Like.... Survivor??

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Pinwiz11 posted:

This appears to be a solid season, but I would go back and watch Seasons 6 and 8 if you have a chance. Both were excellent.

And a best of Katya video perhaps? She was unappreciated by the judges, but the producers certainly found her magic.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Even though I had heard about Adore leaving early, this was a lot rougher to watch. It seems like she had developed a real friendship with Michelle, and was just utterly floored when Michelle came for her the way she did. While we know, and she knows, that she could have done more to fit the show's aesthetic, I get why she quit. I couldn't tell though if Ru was pissed, or sad.

I totally think PhiPhi was being shady and playing mind games with Roxxxy at least. You would think though that Roxxxy of all people would recognize that.

I think Katya's Bjork could've been better, and it was pretty derivative of Kristen Wiig's Bjork, but it worked. And while I really don't know anything about Mae West, I should never have doubted Alaska's ability to perform.

And yeah, I second being a little bummed about Tatianna going home. While I was not happy that she was cast, and the one time I saw her perform live she was completely mediocre, she completely blew me away in the season premiere. Plus, she really was the underdog, given that she wasn't really friends with any of the other girls, and I always find myself rooting for an underdog. But that Ariana Grande, gurl...

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Tendai posted:

Finally watching the most recent episode and less than a third in, what the gently caress is going on with Adore? On something? Coming off something?

According to reddit, right before filming her dad died unexpectedly, and her boyfriend dumped her via text seemingly out of nowhere. She had been touring nonstop right up until 2 days before filming, but was really excited and bought 3 looks per challenge.

Then she got there having just spent the last 2 years touring with several of the queens and Michelle, and she felt like she was being treated like an amateur again. And it was edited out, according to Coco and Alyssa, Raven Symone was really nasty and cruel with her criticisms, particularly with Adore.

So, she lost it, and she felt she gave up her aesthetic in her original season, and having spent the last 2 years connecting with fans, she didn't want to compromise again. She was apparently going to stop the Roxxxy and Tatianna lipsync, but Phi Phi stopped her. So the next day she decided while brushing her teeth that she was going to quit, Ru and Michelle weren't going to stop her.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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tranten posted:

I'm gonna watch this show forever and will always love it, but what are your guys' opinions on drag kings? It seems like Ru doesn't like them, or at least doesn't think they're drag.

Dear Drag Race: It's Time to Let Kings Compete

Landon is local to me, and this is an issue my friends and I are interested in.

Sounds cool. Seems like it's time he puts his own funds and community together and get a series started. Do a web series if you can't sell it to a network. If it's popular enough, maybe it will eventually be picked up by a network, we're in a golden age right now of people doing this very thing.

But attempting to latch on to RuPaul's Drag Race just isn't the way to do this. That's just not the brand. The brand is gay men impersonating women. It's what Ru has built his career on. Why would Ru be the one to do a Drag King show? What's his authority on the subject? What is his experience? The day RuPaul hosts a Drag King competition show is the day that the drag king community protests Ru being involved in any way in the first place.

The article was clickbait, and Landon knows it. I don't believe for a second that his goal is to compete alongside Alaska Thunderfuck and be judged for what he does by RuPaul. This was merely an attempt to get more exposure for himself by maligning a much bigger name as discriminatory. It's opportunistic, and dirty.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

hmm yes let's let straight people co-opt our culture more than they already have

> show highlighting a unique aspect of gay culture

> BUT WHAT ABOUT THE STRAIGHTS?!

:fuckoff:

Thank you.

Propaganda Machine posted:

I'm really disappointed that the more I hear from and about Ru, the more of a d-bag he sounds like.

I think people expect RuPaul to be Mama Ru at all times, when in reality off camera, RuPaul has been doing this for 30 years. 30 years ago it was a political statement just to be an out gay man. Think about what a gently caress you to society it is to be an out gay man dressing as a woman. RuPaul is punk as gently caress, and let's not forget that, regardless of the Klein Epstein and Parker suit he is wearing.

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Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Deathlove posted:

...wait what

Logo has a new gay dating show called Finding Prince Charming, hosted by Lance Bass. It's basically a complete rip off of The Bachelor, and looked to be completely mundane other than the fact that their bachelor is stupidly hot. Every promotion has included at least one scene of him shirtless stepping out of the water onto a beach.

Then the news came out that he used to be an escort. His escorting page surfaced, along with mixed reviews, complete with videos from xtube. And not just videos of him jacking off, but videos of him receiving used condoms full of semen in the mail from clients and fans, and filming himself sucking them dry, or injecting the semen with a needle into his penis.

Logo's PR team has scrambled into overtime and sent him and Lance Bass on a media tour to talk about how it was something he just did to pay for college, and that they just want to focus on his charitable work today.

Logo is desperate for programming.

Nihonniboku fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Sep 5, 2016

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Mouse Dresser posted:

I wish Logo would've picked up the Throwing Shade tv show, instead of TV Land. The podcast is great.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/throwing-shade-late-night-comedy-884108

They're both owned by Viacom, so there is no reason why it won't end up on Logo when TV Land inevitably decides it's too edgy for their audiences, even after their latest rebranding effort.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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King of Foolians posted:

So why isn't "Did you used to be an escort?" question #1 on the vetting process for this guy? Question #2 should have been "Are there easy-to-find videos of you on porn sites?" Did anyone in charge think this kind of stuff wouldn't be found?

I wouldn't be surprised if they knew about it and they decided to leak the information themselves right before the premiere for buzz.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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See, that's what I don't like about challenges like this. It's pretty difficult to judge their performances when they are all just lip syncing to some terrible song that Lucian Piane wrote in 5 minutes before filming, and they are dancing to very basic choreography because they know that not all the queens can dance so they have to keep it simple.

So, unless somebody majorly fucks up, which nobody did here, then it's pretty hard to judge who is in the top or the bottom. I think you could very easily swap the tops and the bottoms this week, and nobody would really question it.

Also, I thought for sure that Detox was going to be read to filth for that terrible bald cap.

Ha, Taylor Dayne. I only know her because of that Tig Notaro standup routine. "Excuse me, I just wanted to say, I love your voice."

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Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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While Alyssa didn't follow through on the detail to send home the girl who got the harshest critique this season, I don't think Alyssa sent Ginger home because she was competition, I think she sent her home because Katya has been a stronger performer this season, and she made the right mood.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it bites her in the rear end.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Watrick posted:

I saw an episode of Hey Qween where she said all the drama with Sharon was manufactured by two of them because there hadn't been a rivalry like that before.

I don't know if I believe that. There seemed to be genuine emotion there, they seemed to really dislike each other. And I'm not sure why PhiPhi would volunteer to be the villain there. She was hated for a lot more than her rivalry with Sharon. It's almost like she made this up to try and focus on her redemption, which nobody is really buying at all really.

Over at reddit, someone made a summary of all the T from a live event with PhiPhi and Tatiana. Here are the highlights:

- PhiPhi said Tati was limited to two drinks because she got too drunk during the first episode and ended up throwing up on the bathroom along with someone else who threw up on PhiPhi. (this interesting, because I had heard they had previously limited all the girls every season to just one drink because someone got too drunk during Untucked way back in season 2)

- Tatiana said the biggest difference from season 2 was that they got to hang out all the time at the hotel back then. The day she got eliminated, she asked for a drink and they said no cause they were about to film, so she went to the prop bottle of absolut and filled her bottle even though she hadn't eaten. They changed the song the night before, and she was super over it and drunk so she was just having a good time.

- Tatiana said she was originally assigned princess Diana, but then changed to Joan of arc.

- PhiPhi said they were told to bring their most elaborate costumes, not told they'd have to dance in them.

- The choreographers were mean to everyone, including Alyssa and read her for her technique but obviously that wasn't shown.

- PhiPhi said all the drama is manufactured by the producers, the real bullies aren't her and Roxxxy, but World of Wonder. She said that they absolutely should blame the edit because things are constantly being taken out of context.

- PhiPhi said that the "This is fashion and I love it," critique was NOT given to Alyssa as shown. It was too detox. Carson actually told Alyssa they need to be on Ritalin to understand her look.

- PhiPhi made her gun for her runway in her hotel room on their day off. She felt bad for Ginger because she asked if they could turn the lights off for her at the end of the runway, but they didn't. Katya's dress was too big which is why she was holding it in. Also, they had like, 20-25 minutes to change from the lip sync challenge to their runway.

- A producer took her best friend Jiggly out to lunch and told her not to talk to Phi Phi anymore because she's a bad influence and worse than Willam Belli. (I guess WoW really still hates Willam). The producer then accidentally texted PhiPhi talking poo poo about her, and then wrote, "Wait, who is this?"

- PhiPhi helped Coco make her outfit for the VMAs, so she was pretty upset that Coco would then call her out for being a fake bitch.

- Tatianna said that the mean thing Raven Symone said to Adore was that her singing was flat.

- Tatianna's original latex look was purple, but she wasn't happy with it, so Adore gave her outfit to her. So that's what Tatianna was wearing when she was sent home.

- PhiPhi was supposed to do All Stars 1, but couldn't because she was in jail.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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angerbeet posted:

RuPaul won an Emmy :toot:

To clarify, for Best Costumes for a Comedy, Variety, or Reality Series. But still a big deal, and I'm happy. Crossing my fingers still for the Best Reality Show Host.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Combed Thunderclap posted:

Um no, she won the Best Reality Show Host Emmy. Drag Race got beat in the Costumes category by The Wiz Live (which to be fair had loving amazing costuming).

You're right, I completely misread that NewNowNext article.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Propaganda Machine posted:

Yeah, but rumor has it that her ex spoiled the boot list, and we all know that they film finale wins for all three queens, so further rumor has it that she would have won, but now cannot.

Do we know if there will be a live finale for All-Stars 2? Season 4 was the first to do a live finale after the winners of season 2 and 3 were leaked beforehand, but All-Stars 1 had a traditional finale.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Miz Kriss posted:

In a way, I kind of understand Alyssa's reasoning. Katya had been doing really well, but fell flat on her face this week, and on the other hand, Ginger had been consistent throughout, but hadn't really done anything to have an "all star" moment quite yet. Do you give someone a second chance to bounce back to great, or do you wait for someone to break through to great?

To be fair though, I don't think Ginger should have been in the bottom anyway. She was alright, albeit "kinda there" at times (though I feel like that kind sums up her run?). I actually like Ginger more this season than I did during her original season.

I rewatched the episode again yesterday, and while Katya's runway look was not good, Ginger's was one of the worst in the history of Drag Race. I understand and agree with Alyssa's decision. Surely Ru has made her decision on who to eliminate before based on their history, and not just that specific challenge, especially if it's close or they've been up for elimination a few times already.

It's going to bite Alyssa in the rear end.

Also, I'm sooooooooooo excited for the return of Little Poundcake. That was amazing.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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I don't know what to think. On one hand, yeah, there is going to be some manipulation on the production's part. But, Phi Phi is still saying the things that she's saying. Katya and Alaska aren't. Roxxxy was the villain of her season, admitted she was wrong, and unless the producers have arbitrarily decided to edit her as genuinely reformed, and PhiPhi still as a bitch, then I don't get it. PhiPhi says that she only came on because the producers promised her a redemption edit, so maybe she openly said these bitchy things thinking that the producers had her back. Which, doesn't exactly make sense to me because she blamed RPDR on her almost quitting drag after her first season, but then at the same time said that it was a character for herself that she and Sharon came up with. Girl can't get her story straight.

Overall, I think PhiPhi is a very talented individual who suffers from a lot of insecurities. She has talked before about the abuse that she suffered by her father's hand growing up. I think she transforms her insecurities into aggression against those who she feels threaten her, and that while she can dish it, she certainly doesn't take criticism well. I think that she so genuinely believes that she is the victim, and is oblivious to the fact that a lot of her problems with drag race are of her own doing.

I hope she gets help.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Watrick posted:

Just started season 2 again. It's really weird. All the drag is really basic (comparatively speaking), and no Michelle makes it seem a bit less harsh.

A lot of the queens that season wore mall clothing.

Oraculum Animi posted:

Coco, Ginger, and Alyssa were behind the mirror. I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out who the forth queen is. I could look it up but I'm drawing a blank and I'm wondering if that says anything.

Tatianna.

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Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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spite house posted:

I don't understand why Big Freedia can't be on the show all the time.

Is that who that was this episode? I was wondering.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Pellisworth posted:

Yeah, I've avoided spoilers but Alaska seems the overwhelming favorite. I had high hopes for Katya but her runways have been season 7 and this is loving all stars 2, bitch. Step up your game, it's alright but you need to be STANDOUT.

edit: oops I forgot to repeat that Todrick is the most useless judge

Katya was killing it on the runway until last week with that unfortunate look. And then this week, was that velvet? As hilarious as the makeup was, the dress was just awful.

I love Alaska. I think she deserves to win All Stars 2. But I think this just gives further proof to the theory that Ru typically knows who she wants to crown each season. It doesn't mean that she is fully committed to it.

I think she planned on having Chad Michaels win season 4, but after Sharon Needles became the absolute fan favorite to win, she felt she had to go that way. So, here comes All Stars designed for Chad to win. Raven probably should have won, but Ru wanted Chad.

I think the more obvious was season 7. I think going into season 7, Ru fully intended on crowning Kennedy Davenport. While talented, Kennedy was frequently overshadowed by other queens, and that's saying something given that it was the notorious season 7. And yet for the first half of the season, she was repeatedly put in the top and even won challenges that she should have gone home for. But after shaky win after shaky win, Ru realized that Kennedy wasn't cutting it, and was forced to eliminate her without making it obvious that she was floating through.

Again, Alaska is fantastic, and I think she deserves to win. But I feel like she is getting off light, at least based on the editing, she isn't being challenged by the judges like the other queens are.

And yeah, Todrick sucks.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Pinwiz11 posted:

Apparently, Logo isn't letting VH1 simulcast this weeks episode because they know everyone will want to watch it. I can understand it for the ratings, but WHY ARE YOU DEPRIVING ME OF BEAUTIFUL HD LOGO?????

Ughhh. How will I watch it now?

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Mouse Dresser posted:

It seems that Logo didn't want VH1 to air it simultaneously, not that VH1 didn't want to air the episode. :sigh:

Guess I'm waiting until tomorrow to watch it.

Ru got her Emmy. They were airing it on VH1 for exposure, long enough to get get votes and to get people to either pay for a season pass, or buy a higher tier cable package to see what happens next.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Combed Thunderclap posted:

But it's going back to airing on VH1 in HD right after this episode?

I don't think Ru's Emmy ambitions were one of the main causes of this, but yeah Viacom would love for more people to shell out for its stupidly expensive Logo packages, I'm sure.

And I just bought the season pass, so I guess they got what they wanted.

Anyway, I feel for PhiPhi, but I just can't with her anymore. She is that bully who gets upset when people finally stand up to them and fight back, and then she acts like the victim.

I'm sure the original plan wasn't for two queens to return, but Adore quitting sort of necessitated that to get their episode order.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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I'm still torn on Tatiana.

I've mentioned here before. I saw Tatiana live at her home club of Town in Washington, DC, and her performance was lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy. She came out, the crowd went wild, her song started playing, and she didn't lip sync. All she did was stomp around the room in her boots, not even dancing, just stomping, and collected dollar bills from all the straight girls who flock to this gay club on Friday night 18+ nights.

But then she completely won me over with that first challenge. When she first started I was like, what the hell is this. But I had never seen anything like it before, and it was so completely shocking. I can't even imagine how she came up with that.

Then Snatch Game came. That Ariana Grande impression was atrocious, and now we have to wonder whether her Britney was a complete fluke.

She has shown how far she has come since season 2. And really, drag itself has come a long way since season 2. But I'm still unconvinced that she is an All Star. I think she benefits from being so far remove from the majority of these other queens that she has none of the baggage that all of the other queens had coming in, so that has definitely helped to propel her far into this competition. But does she have the (C)harisma, (U)niqueness), (N)erve, and (T)alent? Meh.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Propaganda Machine posted:

Ginger was just catty and mean to people. Shade is one thing but it's not supposed to be hateful.

Yup. She was part of a mean girl posse with Kennedy and Jasmine. The 3 of them were incredibly unpleasant to watch, especially in Untucked. They were dismissive, rude, and condescending to the majority of the other queens, which was funny given that Jasmine is probably in the top 5 of the least talented queens to ever appear on the show. I liked Ginger at the start of the season, and I will always love her for the term "glamor toad", but by the end of the season I was thoroughly over her.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Magikarpal Tunnel posted:

Is it coasting if they're doing consistently well in the challenges? I would just think that they're doing well, coasting would be if they were just safe every episode, which you could probably say for Violet, since I think she had fewer maxi challenge wins than some of the other winners, but she was still never in the bottom two.

Yeah, I don't know if the right word is coasting. Alaska is just doing superb, she hasn't faltered for even a second in any challenge. She was talented in season 5, but has improved just so much, really stepping up her game more than any other queen following their original run.

I think Bob and Bianca simply got easy passes. Despite having charisma leaps and bounds, neither queen had stellar runway looks. Bob's outfits were often amateur hour, and Bianca wore the exact same look every single week. Had any other queen done what they did week after week on the runway, they would've been critiqued far more harshly and probably even sent home.

But yeah, maybe Violet coasted.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Nobby posted:

Over one and a half seasons, and I still don't get the appeal of Roxxxy Andrews. It can't just be "good wigs."

She has her moments.

But yeah, it's the wigs.

Not tonight's though.

I think Ru should have given Katya the win tonight simply because she is already planning on giving Alaska the crown overall, so Katya should get something at least.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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the truth posted:

Do we know what Willam did?

Willam has posted a lot about all the rules that he broke, including the one he gave on the Reunion about his conjugal visits, but he says that none of them are the reason why he was kicked off the show and that he'll reveal exactly why in the book.

I kind of wonder if most of the book is him going to be trash talking that one WoW producer he hates.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Alyssa is such a good sport. She knew that Rolaskatox was never going to turn on each other, and might as well go out with a good attitude and possibly win Miss Congeniality.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Dear Prudence posted:

You know I actually liked Lucian because the dynamic between him and Michelle was good. They were always at opposite ends of opinions and their sniping at each other was funny to me. But what the gently caress? Did he always used to be like this or did he get brain damage like Tila Tequila?

See, I was never a fan. He's cute for sure, but the music he makes for the show is always terrible, and he has absolutely zero sense of humor about it. Now that we know he's also a horrible persons and incredibly stupid, he can just sashay away now please.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Dear Prudence posted:

:allears:


Whoops and this is the moment where I realized I mixed up Lucian for Santino. How am I supposed to keep track of all the ex Drag Race judges who went crazy?

Did Santino go crazy? Or did he just continue to be mildly unpleasant and criticize fan favorites in ways that diehards thought was harsh?

Speaking of, it seems like Michelle has stepped up her critiques since Santino left. She seems more severe, especially since her foil is now Ross and Carson.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Bummed about Katya not winning, but Alaska was the right choice.

Time to unsubsribe from the subreddit because those bitches are crazy normally, and go batshit during the off season.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

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CHiRAL posted:

Well, I read on reddit once that Rhea Litre said Willam had an affair with a producer and it was the cause of a lot of the drama.

No drama on Willam's end since he has always been very vocal about being in an open relationship with his husband. If there was indeed drama, it was either on production's end, or the producer's personal life's.

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What definitely happened was Willam broke A LOT of rules, talked back to producers, ignored their directions to do reality-esque things and engaged directly with the camera crew (the "nurse!" scene is an example of him directing them). He also openly mopped stuff off the set (there was an incident where someone asked where a pillow was and he just took it out of his bag, for example). This is all stuff I heard Willam talk about in random YouTube vids and interviews.

I'm sure that it's a lot more boring like this, just a bunch of small stuff added up, and Ru and the producers decided that it would be just better to eliminate him when it would cause the best drama. Willam hyped it up for so long, has told so many half truths, that the whole and real truth wouldn't live up to the year's worth of build up. So given how insane Drag Race fans have gotten, he smartly and correctly decided just to never tell.

That said, I don't feel a need to buy the book now.

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