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Mr Luxury Yacht
Apr 16, 2012




Elviscat posted:

Uh, what is a Nazbol?

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Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

Nazbols want to overthrow the ruling class but think the ruling class are all Jews.

Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012



'You can't trust any independent western sources! Its all CIA propaganda!' the tankies say, until they use those same sources to justify their views and suddenly they are super legit and trustworthy newspapers.
https://twitter.com/SharS_Aza/statu...831877133492224
https://twitter.com/SharS_Aza/statu...834222747664385
https://twitter.com/historic_ly/sta...834707181363200

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005



Someone once blocked me on Facebook for responding to their allegation that whatever source I cited was CIA propaganda by pointing out that their counterpoint cited the CIA World Factbook. It was a stupid online slapfight that was going nowhere at that point, in case that wasn't obvious.

That said, while I almost never trust anything from intelligence agencies at face value, the World Factbook is a generally decent resource because it's stuff like demographics, travel requirements and restrictions, what kind of plugs and converters you need for electronics, etc.

Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012



https://twitter.com/ProletariatRis1...487332168032257
https://twitter.com/ProletariatRis1...489881675714562
https://twitter.com/lycaon1765/stat...491979159224322
Proletariatrising puts on his clown outfit as he eagerly turns himself into a ignorant punching bag/strawman communist for a guy who literally calls himself a capitalist arguing with him.
Reading it made me feel for leftists who have to deal with this guy clowning around and reinforcing the negative stereotypes of communists/socialists.

A Tankie who worships north korea tries to be hyperbolic about the American State emblem
https://twitter.com/Seedofcheif1/st...510925145391112
https://twitter.com/Seedofcheif1/st...522266031702026
https://twitter.com/SeraJadeAtSFDK/...306796418609154
https://twitter.com/SeraJadeAtSFDK/...465814336323591

Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Remember when the Soviet Union, the true vanguard of the worker's revolution, allied with literal Hitler and invaded Europe

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

I will NEVER become THE PIRATE KING!!! I am just a lazy, hypocritical idiot.


Why do tankies hate anarchists so much?

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

High Energy, Good Feeling!



Fojar38 posted:

Remember when the Soviet Union, the true vanguard of the worker's revolution, allied with literal Hitler and invaded Europe

Pointing this out on this very forum will cause people to rush to Stalin's defense, because Stalin did, first and foremost, want to ally with the Western Powers to gently caress Hitler and Germany, and carving up Poland and massacring thousands of Poles was the consolation prize for the idiot leaders of the rest of Europe thinking that Hitler would be content annexing Czechoslovakia and they could somehow avoid another war, and thinking that was preferable to an alliance with Stalinist Russia.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

"Roll on, thou deep and dark blue ocean, roll!"



punk rebel ecks posted:

Why do tankies hate anarchists so much?

they stink of weakness!!

fast cars loose anus
Mar 2, 2007

Your 2017 World Series MVP



Pillbug

The Nazis didn't even copy the US, both countries were copying Rome; of course the eagles look similar argh read a loving book

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.


Elviscat posted:

Pointing this out on this very forum will cause people to rush to Stalin's defense, because Stalin did, first and foremost, want to ally with the Western Powers to gently caress Hitler and Germany, and carving up Poland and massacring thousands of Poles was the consolation prize for the idiot leaders of the rest of Europe thinking that Hitler would be content annexing Czechoslovakia and they could somehow avoid another war, and thinking that was preferable to an alliance with Stalinist Russia.

Ackhchuallly, you'll find that Stalin didn't actually invade Poland because the Poland government fleeing a some totally unknown and totally not co-ordinated reason meant the extinguishment of the Polish state and furthermore *sharts over the desk* :groverfurrsay:

Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012



Ben burgis, a writer for Jacobin makes a good point, and gets dogpiled by tankies.
There are so many tankies in the replies.
Joshua Jackson was the guy who attempted to commit vote fraud in one club and attempted to imperialisticly declare himself 'president for life' of another.

https://twitter.com/JoshuaYJackson/...490326787915778
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/...642261650366465
https://twitter.com/Waitin4gr8tleap...672645964500992
https://twitter.com/theSilentObse12...565536241254402
https://twitter.com/destroypornhub/...432978358812674
https://twitter.com/LVKVD/status/1263705830135750657
https://twitter.com/RedRiver54/stat...650045129261057

"I seriously donít understand the difference between you and Ben Shapiro."
That line has me laughing at the sheer ridiculousness of the statement.
'We don't have to advocate for oppressive regimes to oppose imperialism!' is somehow a conservative talking point to these tankies.

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divabot
Jun 17, 2015

Assisted Living Dracula of Wikipedia

DO NOT BELIEVE THIS MAN'S LIE!
Statist shill spreading FUD!

HODL!!


jesus, at this point how paper-thin is the line between Stalin apologists and straight-up nazbols

ITS DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is a powerful visual metaphor for my posting.


punk rebel ecks posted:

Why do tankies hate anarchists so much?

Because the two are sort of dimetrically opposed, anarchists disagree with the fundamental mode of organization that MLs think is the only way to achieve their goals. And they usually do it by pointing at the problems of centralization in both capitalist and socialist countries and saying "hey those look really similar maybe there's a problem with the whole idea of governing massive numbers of people from a central authority."

And given how much of a massive boner a lot of the hardcore tankies have for the authority of the central government this really annoys them.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017



There was a thing that happened in Spain once in, I wanna say, the 1930s, and it caused some lasting resentment in anarchists towards the authoritarian left. Some guy mightíve wrote a book about it idk.

(Also you know how liberals side with fascists over the left? Tankies always do that to any other kind of left.)

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is a powerful visual metaphor for my posting.


That too, but that's more why anarchists hate tankies

I think the animosity the other way is because they make probably the best argument against authoritarian leftism and they basically do it by being more consistent in their application of leftist ideas. You can draw plenty of support for the position from Marx himself so the tankies often just resort to yelling about how they're secret liberals and also none of the problems are real and the CIA made them up.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!


Edgar Allen Ho posted:

(Also you know how liberals side with fascists over the left? Tankies always do that to any other kind of left.)

WW2 history begs to differ.

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.


Well when the sovjets where unable to call an enemy a fascist because the lie would be to obvious even for them they called them an anarchist. So to a tankie that means anarchist = bad.

Some leninist and leninist adjacent writers also had some theoretical and practical objection to early anarchists. Though the ideas their dislike is based on where left behind by self identified anarchists during the 1890s.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017



Ah yes the famous non-ML leftists that Stalin defended against the nazis (who he never allied with) such as

Meanwhile there was that time he diverted resources to crushing anarchists fighting successfully against the same fascists he was fighting

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.


ChubbyChecker posted:

WW2 history begs to differ.
You mean when the proto tankies took longer to do anti-fascist things then the liberals did? And they required the same reason, which was a fascist knife in the back.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017



VictualSquid posted:

You mean when the proto tankies took longer to do anti-fascist things then the liberals did? And they required the same reason, which was a fascist knife in the back.

I mean, they did ally with spanish liberals to fight fascists (and leftists who werenít part of the soviet sponsored communist party) while the liberal west was in full ďnon-interventionĒ mode so technically thatís SOMETHING

Except wait isnít intervention bad?

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Chomsky Boi

I think it depends. Most of the time it is bad, but if the elected government is in the middle of getting couped because they want to do things the army doesn't like I think that is one of the few times you can make a good argument for Intervention.

One of the big things about intervening in a situation is the old question of "is this going to make things worse" and as contrast "How does this benefit me?" if the latter case is "It will make me wealthier" then it's probably best not to intervene.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

I will NEVER become THE PIRATE KING!!! I am just a lazy, hypocritical idiot.


I mean they always use the argument that anarchism never had a large successful revolution like the USSR or China or even Cuba. But on the other hand anarchism has had functioning systems with little human rights abuses like Catalonia and recently Rojava.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



VictualSquid posted:

You mean when the proto tankies took longer to do anti-fascist things then the liberals did? And they required the same reason, which was a fascist knife in the back.

The Soviets supported Czechoslovakia.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

So at the Hague Congress one of the big topics of discussion was "The Paris Commune was destroyed, what do we take away from this and how do we get it right the next time?" The communists argued that the working class must seize state power so that the police and military couldn't be used to smash the revolution. The anarchists argued that state power is not a neutral tool that can be wielded for good and that communists taking power would lead to the same pathologies that capitalists exhibit in power. The communists ejected the anarchists and spend the next 150 years proving them right, for which the anarchists must never be forgiven.

(To put it in the dorkiest way possible, the anarchists keep telling the authcoms that the Ring serves only its master and the authcoms will never, ever consider that that might be true.)

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017



Byzantine posted:

The Soviets supported Czechoslovakia.

And they uh, didn't support Poland or Finland or Romania or the baltic states or or or

Because, and this might break tankie brains a lil, the First Workers' State was not actually a workers' state, it was world power that based its geopolitical strategies on its own interests just like the decadent west.

Besides what good reason would they have to support a liberal, western-imposed regime against the will of the sudetendeutsch, slovakians, hungarians and poles of the occupied lands of "Czechoslovakia"

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007



Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Because, and this might break tankie brains a lil, the First Workers' State was not actually a workers' state, it was world power that based its geopolitical strategies on its own interests just like the decadent west.

Well yeah, obviously. But come on, ignoring the Munich Conference while pretending the liberals were quicker to be anti-fascist?

Edit: hell, not even anti-fascist, because both the Allies and the Soviets tried to get Mussolini to join with them against Germany.

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ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!


Byzantine posted:

Well yeah, obviously. But come on, ignoring the Munich Conference while pretending the liberals were quicker to be anti-fascist?

Edit: hell, not even anti-fascist, because both the Allies and the Soviets tried to get Mussolini to join with them against Germany.

Liberals were somewhat quicker, they declared war against the Nazis while the Marxists were still allied to them.

Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012



Soviet russia went from 'communists should ally with democratic socialists against fascism (and we should destroy independent communists and anarchists)' that was trumpeted in the Spanish civil war to 'leave the fascists alone! The war between germany and everyone else is a bourgeoisie one that must be opposed!' after the molotov-ribbentrop pact.

And so many communist parties throughout the world followed the Soviet union's policies and abruptly did an about-face from their previous positions.

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Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012



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https://twitter.com/lfmla24/status/1138162625395736577
joshuayjackson has a bright idea for Britain's labor party. He gets torn to bits for his stupidity.
Danny asks the important questions.
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https://twitter.com/sowden_paul/sta...122269663739906
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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

I still can't believe they cast Spock as me. Spock! Can you imagine?

Of course, he was missing a few things.



I'm starting to think this USSR place had some pretty major problems, even if some of them may have had their hearts in the right place!

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017



Nessus posted:

I'm starting to think this USSR place had some pretty major problems, even if some of them may have had their hearts in the right place!

Interesting take.

Comrade Yezhov, if you would?

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

Of course, it doesn't make sense to pay more, so you can just by two cat harnesses and use one of them for sex.



Lmao at that stupid RPG class system where your class is determined by three random traits.

Funnily enough, Lenin himself wouldn't be considered a fitting socialist MP candidate based on this class check.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013


Bryter posted:

International monitors were withdrawn in preparation for NATO's bombardment, and the Serbian forces immediately responded by shifting from brutal but targeted counterinsurgency to wholesale ethnic cleansing.

You know who also used "brutal but targeted counterinsurgency" tactics? The French in Algeria and the loving Einsatzgruppen.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers


C.M. Kruger posted:

You know who also used "brutal but targeted counterinsurgency" tactics? The French in Algeria and the loving Einsatzgruppen.

Didn't think it would need clarification, but I'm aware that brutal counterinsurgency is not a good or pleasant thing, thanks.

Also if you think that's an accurate description of the activities of the einsatzgruppen, you may want to look into them a bit more.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!


Bryter posted:

Didn't think it would need clarification, but I'm aware that brutal counterinsurgency is not a good or pleasant thing, thanks.

Also if you think that's an accurate description of the activities of the einsatzgruppen, you may want to look into them a bit more.

Why do you love that genocide so much? Is it because Serbia was bombed by NATO, which made the genocide somehow righteous?

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers


ChubbyChecker posted:

Why do you love that genocide so much? Is it because Serbia was bombed by NATO, which made the genocide somehow righteous?

ChubbyChecker posted:

stop wasting polluting energy on internet posting

Pharohman777
Jan 14, 2012




I think you really need to stop dodging the question and explain why you are trying to excuse ethnic cleansing/genocide.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers


Pharohman777 posted:

I think you really need to stop dodging the question and explain why you are trying to excuse ethnic cleansing/genocide.

Sure, just as soon as you explain where I did anything like that.

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GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005



Bryter posted:

Sure, just as soon as you explain where I did anything like that.

Bryter posted:

The UN court set up in Kosovo after the war concluded that it wasn't a genocide, and many specific alleged incidents presented as justification for the bombing turned out to be false . The Independent International Comission on Kosovo also found that the violence escalated following the commencing of the bombing campaign which "failed to achieve its avowed aim of preventing massive ethnic cleansing".

So not that contrarian really.

Bryter posted:

I suggest you read the EDM then. It is clearly not using a definition which includes forced migration.

Bryter posted:

The EDM focuses exclusively on the body count and cites a lack of mass graves as evidence of no genocide having occurred. If you want to pretend that that means the signatories are denying mass displacement took place then go ahead, but then you're the one trying to "rules lawyer" definitions of genocide in order to cast a poltician uncharitably, which is a very cool and normal thing to do.

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